Random trade thoughts (split)

[kingsfan101]

At this point, I'd take a late first round pick + expiring for Artest. And do it before Ron Ron goes crazy again.

Actually, one guy Dallas could use is Brad.

Two teams in the West have upgraded their frontline, and the Spurs and Rockets already have Duncan and Yao (not to talk of Utah, which has some good big men). Brad is playing really well, and could help Dallas.

Now, before people jump on me, for daring to talk about trading Brad, let me clarify. I am not saying that we should trade him. Just that we should listen to offers, and pull the plug if a good offer comes along. With teams getting desperate due to changing scenario, something might come along.

As much as many of us want, we shall not make the playoffs this year. We also won't be bad enough to land a high pick. So, we aren't going anywhere this year, and possibly next (we might make the playoffs next year, but as a low seed to get bounced off in the first round). Brad has two years after this on his contract. By the time we become relevant again, he would be in the final year of his contract, or past that, and his performance might go down again.

If we can replace him with some interesting young prospects, we should consider it. Of course, this has to be weighed against the intangibles that he brings. For example, if his presence/guidance helps Spencer, he is worth more to us.

Going back to Dallas, I don't think the numbers will work. Apart from Diop, there isn't anyone on their roster whom I think they shall be ready to give, and we shall want. Also, while Cuban has usually been fine with taking on additional salary, this is a fairly big committment, and even he might think twice.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Actually, one guy Dallas could use is Brad.

Two teams in the West have upgraded their frontline, and the Spurs and Rockets already have Duncan and Yao (not to talk of Utah, which has some good big men). Brad is playing really well, and could help Dallas.

Now, before people jump on me, for daring to talk about trading Brad, let me clarify. I am not saying that we should trade him. Just that we should listen to offers, and pull the plug if a good offer comes along. With teams getting desperate due to changing scenario, something might come along.

As much as many of us want, we shall not make the playoffs this year. We also won't be bad enough to land a high pick. So, we aren't going anywhere this year, and possibly next (we might make the playoffs next year, but as a low seed to get bounced off in the first round). Brad has two years after this on his contract. By the time we become relevant again, he would be in the final year of his contract, or past that, and his performance might go down again.

If we can replace him with some interesting young prospects, we should consider it. Of course, this has to be weighed against the intangibles that he brings. For example, if his presence/guidance helps Spencer, he is worth more to us.

Going back to Dallas, I don't think the numbers will work. Apart from Diop, there isn't anyone on their roster whom I think they shall be ready to give, and we shall want. Also, while Cuban has usually been fine with taking on additional salary, this is a fairly big committment, and even he might think twice.

I'll take a sign and trade for KVH and then waive him with Miller's deal coming straight off the books, but I highly doubt they're interested in a center who has no value defensively and doesn't score in the low post.

 

[RunNGun]

Brad Miller's value is sky high for us, but rather low for most teams. Few teams are willing to work with their 5 at the high post rather than the low post. Not to mention that we run our offense through him without a real passing PG. And how could you trade a guy who's obviously playing out of his mind and ability this season for expiring contracts?

 

[VF21]

Brad Miller's value is sky high for us, but rather low for most teams. Few teams are willing to work with their 5 at the high post rather than the low post. Not to mention that we run our offense through him without a real passing PG. And how could you trade a guy who's obviously playing out of his mind and ability this season for expiring contracts?

Some here might but Geoff Petrie won't.

 

[Heuge]

I'll take a sign and trade for KVH and then waive him with Miller's deal coming straight off the books, but I highly doubt they're interested in a center who has no value defensively and doesn't score in the low post.

This is crazy talk. We don't need to drop contracts simply to drop contracts. Look at Memphis for instance, do they have a bright future? I dont think so. They are a disaster.

 

[Vlade4GM]

This is crazy talk. We don't need to drop contracts simply to drop contracts. Look at Memphis for instance, do they have a bright future? I dont think so. They are a disaster.

We're not talking Pau Gasol here bro, we're talking Brad Miller he's at the highest he can get right now and we already have a young center we're grooming so Miller has no long term place on this team anyways. We do need cap space, that and draft picks.

 

[VF21]

A successful team needs a combination of skilled veterans and youth. If we toss Miller to the wolves, we have NO ONE to help teach Hawes the ropes. It would be a big, big mistake in my opinion. And it's one I'm willing to bet the Kings don't make.

It's always so easy to talk about needing cap space but we also have to give Hawes time to mature. Miller will be a HUGE expiring contract in two years. Until then we can utilize him both on the court and as a veteran mentor.

The idea that as soon as someone hits their peak they should be traded is just - IMHO - silly. Sometimes you keep a few of the good ones to build around. Miller, as a highly-talented center, is that type of player.

 

[kingsfan101]

This is crazy talk. We don't need to drop contracts simply to drop contracts. Look at Memphis for instance, do they have a bright future? I dont think so. They are a disaster.

Agree on this, and some of the other points. It is pointless to trade Brad just for an expiring contract. He is too good for that. The only case where we should think about trading him is if a desperate team (like Dallas probably) comes up with a nice package of cap space, picks and prospects. That is always very tough to achieve though.

 

[Heuge]

We're not talking Pau Gasol here bro, we're talking Brad Miller he's at the highest he can get right now and we already have a young center we're grooming so Miller has no long term place on this team anyways. We do need cap space, that and draft picks.

Certainly, we are not talking about Pau, but to get rid of players simply to get them off the books is silly. Which championship team over the last 20 years has done that? It seems like teams that use that method of reloading seem to get stuck in sucking until a Lebron James comes along.

With that said, get some younger players and some picks and maybe the right deal can be made.

 

[Vlade4GM]

A successful team needs a combination of skilled veterans and youth. If we toss Miller to the wolves, we have NO ONE to help teach Hawes the ropes. It would be a big, big mistake in my opinion. And it's one I'm willing to bet the Kings don't make.

It's always so easy to talk about needing cap space but we also have to give Hawes time to mature. Miller will be a HUGE expiring contract in two years. Until then we can utilize him both on the court and as a veteran mentor.

The idea that as soon as someone hits their peak they should be traded is just - IMHO - silly. Sometimes you keep a few of the good ones to build around. Miller, as a highly-talented center, is that type of player.

Veteran mentors are much easier to come by than cap space and they shouldn't cost 10 mil a year. With a rebuilding team, objective no.1 is to build your young championship core and we can do that by getting high draft picks and making a big free agent signing; I wouldn't let Brad Miller hold us back from that, but apparently I don't have as high of an opinion of Miller as you guys do. And I never said I expected the kings to do it, it's just what I'd want them to do; there are a lot of moves that are the right moves that I don't expect the kings to do.

 

[Vlade4GM]

With that said, get some younger players and some picks and maybe the right deal can be made.

Doubt it.

 

[AriesMar27]

that wouldnt be that bad of an idea... granted i like brad but that be a nice trade... s&t kvh for brad would be sweet especially if artest walks... that damn near 18 mill off the books...

 

[Heuge]

that wouldnt be that bad of an idea... granted i like brad but that be a nice trade... s&t kvh for brad would be sweet especially if artest walks... that damn near 18 mill off the books...

Its also bleeding of talent, Im not a big fan of bleeding.

 

[Bricklayer]

Wizards might be a taker on Brad -- they run a modified Princeton and may feel they are a player away from competing in the Eastern playoffs. Toronto too, with a spare young PG and no real center + a willingness to let the guys they do have in the middle play outside. They also might think one player away. And Brad could add right to their international fetish, with Italians, Spanish, Croatians..and then Hicks.

 

[kingsfan101]

Wizards might be a taker on Brad -- they run a modified Princeton and may feel they are a player away from competing in the Eastern playoffs. Toronto too, with a spare young PG and no real center + a willingness to let the guys they do have in the middle play outside. They also might think one player away. And Brad could add right to their international fetish, with Italians, Spanish, Croatians..and then Hicks.

Even the Rockets might be interested where he could play the four. Again, matching salaries and getting some interesting prospects might be tough (though Scola would be an interesting option).

 

[beb0p]

Brad to Dallas is more in line with "it couldn't hurt" than "Oh god, Dallas can really use a guy like Brad." I think their priority is to tighten up the defense and get a solid SG/SF to replace the disappointing George/Jones/Hassell trio. They need Dampier/Diop's shotblocking abilities and I don't see how Brad can get big minutes sandwiched between the two 7 footers and behind Dirk. I'm sure Brad can give the Mavs that extra weapon, but I don't know if they really need him that badly.

Houston, I can see as a possibility. Yao is not comfortable at the high post and there must be nights Adelman wises he see Brad Miller sitting on the Rocket's bench. A Miller/Yao combo will set the record for the lowest vertical by a frontcourt duo, but it may just be crazy enough to work.

The Wizards can use just about anybody who's 7-foot tall and knows how to make a layup. But they're looking at re-signing two mega contracts in the summer, they need all the cap room they can muster.

Toronto has Andrea Bargarni as their center, for better or for worse. They're not going to give up on him this quickly.

And lastly, if Andrew Bynum can become this good with Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm as his "tutor", then do we really need Brad to teach Spencer Hawes? We just need to hire Kareem and/or Ewing to mentor Hawes. Besides, Brad is just going to teach Hawes to shoot from 20 feet out anyway.

We should only trade Miller for a very, very good deal. A deal so good we can't possibly say no.

 

[kingsfan101]

Brad to Dallas is more in line with "it couldn't hurt" than "Oh god, Dallas can really use a guy like Brad." I think their priority is to tighten up the defense and get a solid SG/SF to replace the disappointing George/Jones/Hassell trio. They need Dampier/Diop's shotblocking abilities and I don't see how Brad can get big minutes sandwiched between the two 7 footers and behind Dirk.

If Dallas were to trade for Brad, they shall need to give back Diop to us.

My argument was primarily this; West suddenly has some very dominating front lines; Lakers with Bynum and Paul, Phoenix with Shaq and Amare, SA with Duncan, Utah with Boozer, Millsap and Okur, Denver with Camby, and if healthy, Nene and Martin, and even Hornets with Chandler and West. Most of these big guys play in the paint. As against this, Dirk is more perimeter oriented, and while Brad also likes to shoot more from the outside, he shall be a huge upgrade over Dampier and Diop.

Given that Dallas would be quite desperate to do well in the playoffs, they shall need something more from their 5 position than these guys can provide. That doesn't mean they shall bid for him, or shall be able to offer a package that we shall like. It was just a thought that he fills a huge need for them.

And lastly, if Andrew Bynum can become this good with Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm as his "tutor", then do we really need Brad to teach Spencer Hawes? We just need to hire Kareem and/or Ewing to mentor Hawes. Besides, Brad is just going to teach Hawes to shoot from 20 feet out anyway.

Brad can certainly help Hawes, and is quite likely already doing it. Hiring a special "big-man" coach to help Hawes is not a bad idea. I don't know if our brain trust considered it, and what came out of it.

We should only trade Miller for a very, very good deal. A deal so good we can't possibly say no.

Certainly. We shouldn't even think about it, unless it brings us some interesting prospects and draft picks. He is playing too good to just give away.