Race for ROY - revised title
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Vlade4GM
All-Star
If the season ended today, Jennings would win it because he's been the better player so far.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I am actually not at all sure of that.
That he'd win it, yes. The second part....
Consider:
Jennings
25.6pts (.482 FG% .519 3pt% .745 FT%) 4.6reb 5.9ast 1.1stl 0.2blk 3.6TO
Tyreke since he was unleashed (Kevin went down):
24.0ppg (.479 FG% .438 3pt% .840 FT%) 6.0reb 5.8ast 1.3stl 0.7blk 3.2TO
You take out those first 5 games deferring/figuring it out and this is a legendary race.
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Gary
All-Star
Sparky6string
Bench
Yeah this race aint over yet but if it was Jennings has the edge. Hey we got a keeper in Tyreke, we can feel confident enough to give props to the Bucks for their pick. Frank Hughes has Jennings #10 in the MVP race. If he keeps up this pace he will be giving CP and Deron a run for one of the unofficial top PG spots. That W/L is the most impressive stat. Same is true for Tyreke, and the turn around for the Kings is as dramatic considering they had the worst record in the league last year.
It may be true that Jennings will always get the attention, like CP does over Deron but I seriously doubt that Jazz fans care, and I doubt Sacramento fans will either.
It may be true that Jennings will always get the attention, like CP does over Deron but I seriously doubt that Jazz fans care, and I doubt Sacramento fans will either.
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AriesMar27
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jennings with 26 points tonight... only had 2 assists because ridnour was beasting out there with 13/12 and 0 turnovers... the bucks a re 8-3 without redd.... jennings has ROY locked up... tyreke has been awesome(not to be confused with hawesome) lately but jennings is playing like a man among boys in this rookie class... he could be an all-star reserve this year if the bucks keep winning like this. what other pgs are in the east leading their team to victory without their best player? the bulls have been good but rose hasnt been playing nearly as well as jennings has so far this season.
he is playing like the 2nd or 3rd best pg in the nba right now. the bucks have a better record than the celtics right now... they would be 4th in the east if the season ended today.
he is playing like the 2nd or 3rd best pg in the nba right now. the bucks have a better record than the celtics right now... they would be 4th in the east if the season ended today.
You aren't from around here, are you?
Chupacabra
Starter
The thing is Jennings has a limited body of work to judge him by. You have no choice but to judge Jennings based on what hes done so far and so far he has outperformed every point guard in the league not named Chris Paul. Hes a phenomenonI am going to assume that it is also 4 in the morning where you are...and you are just as sleepy and delirious as i am at the moment. Yeah...thats gotta be it.
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AriesMar27
Guest
ditto... jennings has been an absolute beast. if he had been drafted higher people wouldve thought that the gm was crazy but he has been amazing. i dont see where he'll have any problems maintaining this pace unless redd messes it up for the team or jennings gets injured.
that boy has a grown mans game.... though collison has been playing well with chris paul out. he put up 22/11 against the hawks today. and is averaging 15/5 for the last 5 games...
M_Barragan
Bench
Saw Jennings play today. Good good player... but the defense has not been pressuring him anywhere near what Tyreke has been facing. Have to think they are afraid of his passing a lot more then tyreke.
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Sparky6string
Bench
You'll see what I mean if it comes down to that. Appreciation of a quality player on your team trumps national flavor-of-the-week adulation every time.
Chupacabra
Starter
I understand what you mean. However when youre the fan of one of the least respected franchises, media wise, and you FINALLY have something worthy of recognition and you STILL dont get it...it can really pee you off.
Sparky6string
Bench
Sure but the W's get you that. It's a harder road but it'll happen anyway.
It's not that I don't know what you mean. You obviously don't understand the psyche of a large number of Kings fans which is why I asked the question I asked.
Kings players do not always get the national recognition they deserve. And Kings fans got fed up with that a very long time ago. If you think they'll be satisfied with having Tyreke even if he doesn't garner the national exposure he deserves, you're sadly mistaken.
See Ellis v. Martin for MIP which still stings some around here for some unknown reason. There's a long list after that.
Sparky6string
Bench
I disagree. It may seem like that now but I contend that quality and results are more important even to Kings fans than being a media darling.
Sparky6string
Bench
I'm not saying that we wont complain. There will always be complaints no matter what.
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AriesMar27
Guest
which is so funny to me because why would a player even want to win most improved player? that basically says that you sucked last year and now you are average... maybe slightly above average....
only 2 star players have won it and that was the season that they became stars, mcgrady in 2001 and arenas in 2003... well maybe j-oneal in 2002 i guess but everyone else have been average players.
I'm sure that Danny Granger, Hedo Turkoglu and Kevin Johnson will be pleased to know that you think that they are/were average players.
You can disagree all you like. I've read the comments of Kings fans here and on other Kings boards since 2001. You're making an assumption that is simply not borne out by facts, and distorting the premise in the process.
Quality and results are indeed important but if the national media does not give proper recognition to said quality and results there will be Kings fans sharpening their pitchforks and lighting their torches. It's happened before.
I am not arguing that quality and results are not more important than media attention. What I'm pointing out is that it won't matter to a certain segment of the Kings fan base how good someone is and what the results are IF they do not garner us at least 15 minutes of fame on SportsCenter. History proves me correct.
Sparky6string
Bench
Looks like we can both disagree all we want. Like I said earlier there will always be complaints, all I'm saying is that fans and the organization will be more satisfied with an unsung quality player than someone that garners a lot of attention with less results. No way to really know for sure unless we had parallel realities.
EDIT: Actually your position may be more prevalent here, I don't know as I haven't been around here long. I know many Kings fans though and none have ever expressed any sort of concern about individual media coverage for Kings players so maybe it's just a narrow subset of Kings fans that hold it to be so important, possibly internet driven.
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This is entirely possible, but I find it interesting that you assume that to be the most likely explanation. Interesting because it seems statistically unlikely that you personally know as many Kings Fans that post on this board, which suggests to me that the more likely proposition is that you may be extrapolating the "many Kings fans" that you know as a microcosm for Kings Fans in general.
Your mileage, clearly, varies.
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AriesMar27
Guest
yeah... pretty average... best player on a bad team isnt that great of a thing to be.
Gilbert Arenas is the best player on a bad team. He can't do half of what Danny Granger can do. And neither Turkoglu nor Johnson were ever the best player on a bad team; they are/were more like the second-best players on very good teams.
Sparky6string
Bench
Actually I merely presented that as a possibility, never making any assumptions. You are the one here that has made assumptions. Also I find it strange that you wouldn't entertain the idea that a certain point of view could be more prevalent and even inspired by the internet. As NBA internet forum regulars you are in a subset of Kings fans. I submit that many of your positions may not be shared by fans of the Kings that don't frequent fan sites.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
Well, I don't know where these other Kings fans are, but I know many many Kings fans, particularly at my job site, who do not post here (or on any message board). The majority (not to say they all do) feel very much the same way that others here have stated. It could be the types of fans everyone knows. Sometimes we get to know fans that have much the same thoughts and/or feelings as we do ourselves. Just a thought.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
I think that Chupacabra expresses best what many Kings fans feel, especially those in Sacramento. I think Sacramento is so used to being disregarded, particularly by those in southern CA, that we take umbrage when we have anything that should get recognition, and we still don't get it. Many people see it as a lack of respect.
Sparky6string
Bench
So the fans your know are more concerned with individual media coverage than quality players and wins? I don't know what to say then. You may be right- like minds attract. Clearly there are vast differences in Kings fans- much more so than I would have though.
Speaking of which what are the other Kings Forums that are worth a peek? Are there other ones that have a decent amount of members?
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