Race for ROY - revised title

DocHolliday said:
I don't like the fact that in the rankings right now Jennings is one, Evans is two, because Jennings had a 55pt game. Really that's the one stand out game above all. Meanwhile Evans has 7 games straight of 20pts or more.
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B. Jennings:
PPG 24.2
RPG 4.30
APG 5.7
EFF + 20.17

sub 10pts games: 1 (9pts)
10-19pts games: 4 (17, 17, 19, 12 pts)
20-29pts games: 5 (24, 25, 25, 29, 26 pts)
30-40 pts games: 1 (32 pts)
40-50 pts games: 0
50-60 pts games: 1 (55 pts)

Team success: 8-4
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T. Evans:
PPG 19.0
RPG 4.60
APG 4.8
EFF +17.42

sub 10pts games: 2 (6, 3 pts)
10-19pts games: 2 (10, 15 pts)
20-29pts games: 7 (22, 23, 20, 20, 20, 29, 28 pts)
30-40 pts games: 1 (32 pts)
40-50 pts games: 0
50-60 pts games: 0

Team success: 5-8

Now, I like Evans and I fancy the Kings but to this day Jennings is a clear ROY. No doubts about it. Now, if Evans continues like this he is worthy of consideration but Kings must follow him as well.
 
6th said:
And, my last word to Sparky on the subject: Yeah, I got my back up because it sounded like we were being told that we didn't know what we were talking about, and that we were not a good representation of Kings fans. I think that is far from the truth. I think you will have a positive contribution to this forum, and that is the bottom line.

Welcome to KingsFans.com. Sorry, I jumped into the foray. We're good!!
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No problem at all. I didn't get from your posts at all that you were upset, just that you were trying to work it out. I never passed judgement on this forum or any other, I don't think of the viewpoints here to necessarilly be any better or worse than any other place or individual. I guess I just didn't express myself well.

Anyway, thanks again and I'm looking forward to adding what I can here. Peacefully. :o
 
Evans has a chance at ROY, but it will be tough.. I think he can beat Jennings in other areas like Rebounds, Steals, Blocks and less T/O,s. Jennings in the end will probably end up with more PPG but if Tyreke can continue his all around game , plus stay close to Jennings scoring wise and AST wise I think Tyreke has a shot. Oh yah and Milwaukee has to continue loosing aswell.

I also dont think jennings will be shooting 47 % from three the whole season so we can count on both havocs and jennings shooting percentages to be pretty equal.
 
gvucko said:
... Now, I like Evans and I fancy the Kings but to this day Jennings is a clear ROY. No doubts about it. Now, if Evans continues like this he is worthy of consideration but Kings must follow him as well.
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In the interest of fairness, it should be pointed out that the Kings schedule through their first twelve games has been significantly harder than Milwaukee's.
 
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OptimusRhyme said:
Evans has a chance at ROY, but it will be tough.. I think he can beat Jennings in other areas like Rebounds, Steals, Blocks and less T/O,s. Jennings in the end will probably end up with more PPG but if Tyreke can continue his all around game , plus stay close to Jennings scoring wise and AST wise I think Tyreke has a shot. Oh yah and Milwaukee has to continue loosing aswell.

I also dont think jennings will be shooting 47 % from three the whole season so we can count on both havocs and jennings shooting percentages to be pretty equal.
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It should be noted that Tyreke has outscored Jennings ever since Kevin went down and is averaging something insane like 25 5 and 6 since that event. Who knows if one the other or both guys can sustain that, but if Reke does not only would it make it virtually impossible not to give him a share of the ROY, it would be hard to keep him off th All Star team.
 
Bricklayer said:
it would be hard to keep him off th All Star team.
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I agree as I had the same thought. Both players are putting up All Star numbers. If a player on the lakers had these #s, he would be an all star. I don't think either will make the all star unless they can really end up averaging 25pts, 5 rebs, 5 asst until the all star break.

But if the can be at 20, 5, 5... then they should at least be mentioned as consideration just to recognize their great rookie season.
 
gvucko said:
B. Jennings:
PPG 24.2
RPG 4.30
APG 5.7
EFF + 20.17

sub 10pts games: 1 (9pts)
10-19pts games: 4 (17, 17, 19, 12 pts)
20-29pts games: 5 (24, 25, 25, 29, 26 pts)
30-40 pts games: 1 (32 pts)
40-50 pts games: 0
50-60 pts games: 1 (55 pts)

Team success: 8-4
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T. Evans:
PPG 19.0
RPG 4.60
APG 4.8
EFF +17.42

sub 10pts games: 2 (6, 3 pts)
10-19pts games: 2 (10, 15 pts)
20-29pts games: 7 (22, 23, 20, 20, 20, 29, 28 pts)
30-40 pts games: 1 (32 pts)
40-50 pts games: 0
50-60 pts games: 0

Team success: 5-8

Now, I like Evans and I fancy the Kings but to this day Jennings is a clear ROY. No doubts about it. Now, if Evans continues like this he is worthy of consideration but Kings must follow him as well.
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I don't think Kings have to follow him. I find it hard to believe that the team record has has big a weighting in this discussion as some are claiming.

Pretty sure that Carmelo Anthony got Denver to the play offs in his rookie year and LeBron was still in the lottery. Rightfully the ROY was given to LeBron.

We have just started the season, its far from over. Looking at it logically, I am not sure Jennings will be able to last the whole season at this level of production. He hardly played in Europe last year so we are yet to see if he can last out the season.
 
Čarolija said:
I don't think Kings have to follow him. I find it hard to believe that the team record has has big a weighting in this discussion as some are claiming.

Pretty sure that Carmelo Anthony got Denver to the play offs in his rookie year and LeBron was still in the lottery. Rightfully the ROY was given to LeBron.

We have just started the season, its far from over. Looking at it logically, I am not sure Jennings will be able to last the whole season at this level of production. He hardly played in Europe last year so we are yet to see if he can last out the season.
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When Michael Redd comes back Jennings scoring is going to go down. As of right now Jennings is really the only scoring threat on the team. I don't think Tyreke's averages will go down when Kevin comes back because of Tyreke's style of play.
 
Kings Faithful said:
When Michael Redd comes back Jennings scoring is going to go down. As of right now Jennings is really the only scoring threat on the team. I don't think Tyreke's averages will go down when Kevin comes back because of Tyreke's style of play.
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Evans' numbers while Kevin was around were about 11ppg. If all we were concerned about was Evans winning ROY, Kevin coming back would be the absolute worst thing that could happen. Its a shot eating player, and the ball dies over there. (and yes, obviously he isn't going to average 11 when Keivn get sback, and that super-Kevin centric offense is highly unlikely to reappaear, but its a big shot and power drain nonetheless).

Said for a while now (well, ok, the last week since it became clear this was going to be a two man race unless Griffin can join it) that it could end up being determined by who gets hurt more by the return of their one dimensional shot happy shooting guards. Its ironic that the two perennial lottery teams starring the two shooting guards most often compared to each other would then end up being the two teams that drafted the two superstud rookie PGs.
 
Jennings 4-15 14 points 7 Rebs 8 Assists 5 TO's Tyreke 8-19 19 points 11 rebs 7 Assists 4 TO's.

Defenses are starting to focus on him.
 
Jennings is killing the magic right now... I was mad that iverson retired but I have Jennings to fill that ballerific role....
 
AriesMar27 said:
Jennings is killing the magic right now... I was mad that iverson retired but I have Jennings to fill that ballerific role....
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He's 5-17 at this point -- if that is killing, I'm thinking the Magic want ot be killed some more.

If it holds it would be his 4th straight subpar game -- he's falling back now and the statistical gap between he and Evans is narrowing by the game.

Before this game:

Jennings
22.6pts (.443 FG% .477 3pt% .768 FT%) 4.3reb 5.6ast 1.3stl 0.2blk 3.6TO
Evans
19.1pts (.450 FG% .333 3pt% .785 FT%) 5.3reb 4.8ast 1.4stl 0.4blk 3.1TO


And tonight Jennings is at 13pts 2reb 4ast on 5-17 shooting with 6 minutes to go. Unless he explodes down the stretch gap could narrow even more
 
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Jennings finishes with 18pts 2reb 4ast on 7-22 shooting. And the gap narrows a little further.

If Reke could just put up a big game against the CP3less Hornets tommorow it could actually make the Rookie of the Month honors interesting.

Anybody remmeber whetehr they hand those out seperately to the Western Coference ROM and Eastern Conference ROM? Or just one for the whole league? Do they do co-ROMs?
 
Bricklayer said:
He's 5-17 at this point -- if that is killing, I'm thinking the Magic want ot be killed some more.

If it holds it would be his 4th straight subpar game -- he's falling back now and the statistical gap between he and Evans is narrowing by the game.

Before this game:

Jennings
22.6pts (.443 FG% .477 3pt% .768 FT%) 4.3reb 5.6ast 1.3stl 0.2blk 3.6TO
Evans
19.1pts (.450 FG% .333 3pt% .785 FT%) 5.3reb 4.8ast 1.4stl 0.4blk 3.1TO


And tonight Jennings is at 13pts 2reb 4ast on 5-17 shooting with 6 minutes to go. Unless he explodes down the stretch gap could narrow even more
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they kinda lost it in the 3rd and ended up losing by 2 points without redd and bogut... it wasnt the prettiest of shooting nights in the end but he played a pretty good game. 18/4 and no turnovers... he was 4-7 from long range... it was a lot more fun to watch than his stats would lead you to believe...

he is shooting a higher % from 3pt (47.7%) than his overall fg% (44.3%)... which is nuts since everyone assumed that his jump shot would be an issue coming into the nba because he didnt shoot all that well overseas... all of his highlights were layups and the occasional dunk. he has legit nba 3pt range, an awkward release but it goes in...

evans by comparison shots a higher overall fg% at 45% but his 3pt% is 33.3%. their stats are really close with the exception of the rebounds which evans should have more per game given that he is 5 inches taller and 51lbs heavier... he is much bigger than jennings will ever dream of becoming. so i dont expect jennings to ever be the rebounder that evans is or will become later on. but jennings isnt a slouch, 4.3 rebounds is pretty good for a 6'1 pg, evans is at 5.3 rpg...

jennings is gonna be a star... evans will be good, how good i dont know... but watching jennings is something else. he will fill the void that iverson left and eventually become the player that we all wished that iverson would have become. a real pg... not some miniature sg.... once jennings develops that killer instinct he will be something else. not saying that evans cant do the same, i just think that jennings will get there first.
 
AriesMar27 said:
they kinda lost it in the 3rd and ended up losing by 2 points without redd and bogut... it wasnt the prettiest of shooting nights in the end but he played a pretty good game. 18/4 and no turnovers... he was 4-7 from long range... it was a lot more fun to watch than his stats would lead you to believe...

he is shooting a higher % from 3pt (47.7%) than his overall fg% (44.3%)... which is nuts since everyone assumed that his jump shot would be an issue coming into the nba because he didnt shoot all that well overseas... all of his highlights were layups and the occasional dunk. he has legit nba 3pt range, an awkward release but it goes in...

evans by comparison shots a higher overall fg% at 45% but his 3pt% is 33.3%. their stats are really close with the exception of the rebounds which evans should have more per game given that he is 5 inches taller and 51lbs heavier... he is much bigger than jennings will ever dream of becoming. so i dont expect jennings to ever be the rebounder that evans is or will become later on. but jennings isnt a slouch, 4.3 rebounds is pretty good for a 6'1 pg, evans is at 5.3 rpg...

jennings is gonna be a star... evans will be good, how good i dont know... but watching jennings is something else. he will fill the void that iverson left and eventually become the player that we all wished that iverson would have become. a real pg... not some miniature sg.... once jennings develops that killer instinct he will be something else. not saying that evans cant do the same, i just think that jennings will get there first.
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What do you mean Evans will be good? Evans is good now. Come on I aggree with Jennings gonna be a star but Evan is not good right now is bullcrap. Give him more credit then that.
 
For Reke to be on top of the ROY list again its going to take him putting up big numbers in a win agains the Bucks. I honestly think he should be #1 right now, but Jennings media attention for the 55 point game is putting him on top, where he will stay until Evans dominates him. Which he will!
 
Kings Faithful said:
For Reke to be on top of the ROY list again its going to take him putting up big numbers in a win agains the Bucks. I honestly think he should be #1 right now, but Jennings media attention for the 55 point game is putting him on top, where he will stay until Evans dominates him. Which he will!
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One big performance won't get Jennings ROY, especially this early in the season. In the end, it will come down to their overall play for the season. Media attention will likely play a part in it, but we have to see who will get the most Media attention for the whole season. And don't forget that when Griffin comes back, all Media attention will be on him.
 
Telemachus said:
One big performance won't get Jennings ROY, especially this early in the season. In the end, it will come down to their overall play for the season. Media attention will likely play a part in it, but we have to see who will get the most Media attention for the whole season. And don't forget that when Griffin comes back, all Media attention will be on him.
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its weird, i live in los angeles and after griffin went down they stopped talking about him. its like he doesnt even exist anymore, no one talks about him. at all..... there has been no news about griffin since before the season started.

something might be seriously wrong with griffin, i dont think he'll play much if at all this season. if he were recovering and making progress there would be news about it. even if he does play for the clippers, he was the number 1 pick... he would be news worthy... he hasnt been, it might be a shaun livingston level injury...
 
yea its nice too see jennings coming back to earth. His PPG are going to drop with Redd coming back. So hopefully Tyreke can keep dropping 20 + point nights along with the amazing rebounding hes been doing. and he will take the lead.
 
Bricklayer said:
Er...have no idea who would say Reke has no handles. :eek:
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Forgot who said it on another thread. But basically his weaknesses were his handle and shooting... Found the clip I wanted to show him to prove otherwise.

At 6'5 220 by the looks of him now prolly closer to 230... there is no other player in the NBA with his handles. Hell there are prolly 3-4 guys in the league with handles of Tyrekes caliber. That's what makes him special driving to the basket.

He just froze Deron there... a 6'5 225 guy freezing a 6'3 205 pound PG. Thing of beauty...
 
est.1999 said:
Hahaha Aries I'm an LA cat as well. Haven't heard squat about that fool. It is like he's a ghost
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its scary that there has been no news on griffin at all since he went down... its like he was on a plane flying over the bermuda triangle and disappeared into nothingness...

all of that because he was drafted by the clippers... if he had been drafted by anyother team he wouldnt have been where he was when he was injured so he wouldnt be hurt. sucks for him... and any fans he might have had or would have if he played.
 
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