Question about the Draft / Mike

[10-9n52mustgo]

Been a Kings fan since 1986, well I was 9 then and that's as far back as I can remember being a fan which really has nothing to do with my post. I even used to call in and talk to Grant as he was hosting the post rap radio show when I was a kid and yes I probably asked some dumb questions but I was 9 cut me some slack.........lol......

The reality is I am sure I want what you want and that is ownership dedicated to putting a product worthy of supporting out there, is that not what you want?

It is hard to support something when it seems like there is no commitment to anything other than being average. The fact that the fans have been supporting the team as far back as I can remember they all deserve more. It is hard to be happy when you see other owners around the Association doing what it takes to compete and we are doing nothing.

Sometimes when there is loyalty it gets taken advantage of and I don't know the ownership and I would imagine very few if any on this board do but why should Kings fans be putting there money out there time and time again just to have what we now have. Are you satisfied VF21? Like I said I am certain we both want the same thing, agreed?

As far as Webber and $121 million goes, in hindsight terrible move, at the time I was jazzed to so at the time I will be honest and say I was excited, sometimes things don't work out as we would have liked or imagined, agreed? What else have they done though, if you know something I don't please tell me I am happy to listen and learn.

We can be proud fans as we are but what do you mean be calling out Philly, are you talking about the 5K they had in attendance last game, that was sad indeed but maybe it is necessary as a way of letting ownership know that they expect more as fans right.....but Philly fans have far greater issues than that as we have heard...lol....I don't know what you mean by other cities VF21, inform me if you can....

Maybe they do care, maybe they don’t, I don’t know them so I am not going to try to speculate, all I know is caring in this league is measured strictly on the court and how the product you put out there performs and recently it is not looking so good….

I do think all of the fans are waiting for something, anything, from the ownership and that may be the hardest part, I read the article, it raised some good points, you comment in the end summed it up, Extreme Makeover…….a point I made in my post and one that as stated takes awhile so kings fans need to brace for that if that is the route they go but as stated I think we are all holding on for any sign…….good or bad!!!

 

[Kingster]

Possible, but tough, as we'll probably still have to play the matching salary game. Late pick? Sure. But even in this draft those are longer shots. Early/lottery pick? The best teams to target in those scenarios might be the good teams in "win now" mode who have managed to saavy out a lottey pick in this year of all years, but those squads (thinking Chicago and Phoenix now) already have their PG position taken care of -- suppose Phoenix could have an interest and it would make Mike happy, but not at his price and sending him to the elite team in our division...

I guess the question is whether we'd send him to an elite team in our division. There seems to be some controversy about that now. I've wondered for a while now if Chicago would be interested in Miller. Whatya think?

 

[10-9n52mustgo]

Miller to Chicago

Kingster,

I wish someone would be interested in him but like #9 the problem is the contract length and amount vs. the performance they are giving......

I think if #52 and #9 had drawn any interest they would have been dealt before the deadline, the problem might be that with interest in those two or even just #52 that a team will only be willing to give up their junk for our junk!

We all have these ideas about dumping this guy and that guy to get better players and picks but so does every other team in the league, they are all trying to get better and they are not going to take on our junk and give us anything of value. Trades are really this one sided unless a team has a goal, i.e. dump salary, rebuild, and so on.

So I am with you and wishing Chicago would take him I don't know why they would ruin a great thing as they have so much young GOOD talent, talent that will be requiring long term deals starting this off-season (Nocioni) and over the next few as well.

Additionally, I saw some other posts about Bibby, so why would any team in their right mind give up a high pick for this guy. He is having a horrible year, is afraid of the D word (that's defense) and it is not like he is 21 or 22 and can still be coached up. This guy has always been one dimension and he has to hear the criticism of him all the time but he gets getting a check so what does he care right? Like with #52, why would anyone give up anything to have a guy like #10 on their roster at that price.

 

[Kings113]

The summer of uncertainity for Mike Bibby.

What is certain is he'll be gone from Sac in some form. Just doesn't fit with this team anymore, regardless of how his year has gone. His defense and lack of running the team is just too much of a problem.

The entire tone for your defense is set by the PG. Brad Miller as the last line of defense doesn't help out much either.

 

[Bricklayer]

The entire tone for your defense is set by the PG.

Well that I pretty much fundamentally disagree with. PGs are borderline irrelevant at times. Tony Parker isn't setting anything for the Spurs, Zeke was the worst defender on the old Pistons, and when we were a top defensive squad it certainly wasn't MIke leading the charge. Far more often the tone is set by the big men. If they can shut down the middle, makes all fo the perimeter guys better.

 

[VF21]

Been a Kings fan since 1986, well I was 9 then and that's as far back as I can remember being a fan which really has nothing to do with my post. I even used to call in and talk to Grant as he was hosting the post rap radio show when I was a kid and yes I probably asked some dumb questions but I was 9 cut me some slack.........lol......

My point was that pre-Maloofs we weren't even contenders. Getting the Maloofs as owners was a key turning point in the history of the organization.

The reality is I am sure I want what you want and that is ownership dedicated to putting a product worthy of supporting out there, is that not what you want?

It is hard to support something when it seems like there is no commitment to anything other than being average. The fact that the fans have been supporting the team as far back as I can remember they all deserve more. It is hard to be happy when you see other owners around the Association doing what it takes to compete and we are doing nothing.

That's where I think you're making a generality that simply isn't supported by facts. The Maloofs have shown - as with Webber - that they will open their checkbooks under the right circumstances.

Sometimes when there is loyalty it gets taken advantage of and I don't know the ownership and I would imagine very few if any on this board do but why should Kings fans be putting there money out there time and time again just to have what we now have. Are you satisfied VF21? Like I said I am certain we both want the same thing, agreed?

What we have now is clearly a team in transition. I have no problem with waiting to see what happens. NO TEAM is always going to be on the top. Every single team in the league goes through times of feast and times of famine. Am I satisfied? With what? I recognized quite some time ago that the team was going to get worse before it got better. I'm willing to give it time to complete the cycle.

As far as Webber and $121 million goes, in hindsight terrible move, at the time I was jazzed to so at the time I will be honest and say I was excited, sometimes things don't work out as we would have liked or imagined, agreed? What else have they done though, if you know something I don't please tell me I am happy to listen and learn.

My point was merely that the Maloofs have shown they want to win and they want to get the most for the money. In addition, they'll spend if they think the product is worth it.

We can be proud fans as we are but what do you mean be calling out Philly, are you talking about the 5K they had in attendance last game, that was sad indeed but maybe it is necessary as a way of letting ownership know that they expect more as fans right.....but Philly fans have far greater issues than that as we have heard...lol....I don't know what you mean by other cities VF21, inform me if you can....

Calling out Philadelphia? I stated a fact. Attendance in a great number of NBA cities is down, as evidenced by nightly games AND comments from the various broadcasters who, without exception, point to Sacramento as still having loyal fans.

Maybe they do care, maybe they don’t, I don’t know them so I am not going to try to speculate, all I know is caring in this league is measured strictly on the court and how the product you put out there performs and recently it is not looking so good….

Oh, the Maloofs care and you don't have to know them personally to realize it. The rest of your comment is interesting but you can't rebuild a team over night.

I do think all of the fans are waiting for something, anything, from the ownership and that may be the hardest part, I read the article, it raised some good points, you comment in the end summed it up, Extreme Makeover…….a point I made in my post and one that as stated takes awhile so kings fans need to brace for that if that is the route they go but as stated I think we are all holding on for any sign…….good or bad!!!

Okay, now I'm confused. First you say you're not encouraged by what you're seeing and then you say that it "takes a while so Kings fans need to brace for that"... Most of us around here are braced for it, and have been for quite some time.

 

[Kingster]

Kingster,

I wish someone would be interested in him but like #9 the problem is the contract length and amount vs. the performance they are giving......

I think if #52 and #9 had drawn any interest they would have been dealt before the deadline, the problem might be that with interest in those two or even just #52 that a team will only be willing to give up their junk for our junk!

We all have these ideas about dumping this guy and that guy to get better players and picks but so does every other team in the league, they are all trying to get better and they are not going to take on our junk and give us anything of value. Trades are really this one sided unless a team has a goal, i.e. dump salary, rebuild, and so on.

So I am with you and wishing Chicago would take him I don't know why they would ruin a great thing as they have so much young GOOD talent, talent that will be requiring long term deals starting this off-season (Nocioni) and over the next few as well.

Additionally, I saw some other posts about Bibby, so why would any team in their right mind give up a high pick for this guy. He is having a horrible year, is afraid of the D word (that's defense) and it is not like he is 21 or 22 and can still be coached up. This guy has always been one dimension and he has to hear the criticism of him all the time but he gets getting a check so what does he care right? Like with #52, why would anyone give up anything to have a guy like #10 on their roster at that price.

I hear you about Miller. He's having a lousy year in the shooting department, and if he can't shoot, he's nothing. If he can get his foot feeling better, maybe he starts shooting better. Then I can see a team with a lot of athletes wanting him because his athletic weaknesses will be masked. Just look at Weber in Detroit. He's doing pretty good because of the supporting cast.

As you mention above, Bibby falls in the same category as Miller -- one dimensional What worries me about Bibby is that the Miami trade could have been the very best trade that we will ever get for Bibby. Miami was desperate to make a deal because of the injury to Wade. Is some team in the offseason going to be as desperate for Bibby? I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[10-9n52mustgo]

Kingster,

If you remember, Miami was looking at the deal before the injury as Wade went down the day before the deadline so the speculation I heard (again, speculation is what it is as you know) was that Miami pulled off of any last second deals because of the injury and uncertainty about how long Wade would be out. It was said on ESPN that when that happened they then didn't want to move Posey (as their best perimeter defender) or anyone else which in my speculation would have to follow the logic that if Wade were to miss this rest of the year (for example) that why would they be in win now mode. Wade is still seeking second opinions so I theorize that they had nothing to go on at the time of the deadline as far as this season goes so they played it safe.

I heard we balked at the Cleveland deal also on ESPN wherein the Cavs ownership said here is our roster, take anyone but Lebron. Again, that was on ESPN after the deadline passed and if that is true I would truly be disappointed because they have some useful players like Gooden, Gibson and Varejao.

So, maybe in the summer if these teams fizzle out in the Playoffs they will make a move IF the Kings can maybe pull a sign (#10) and trade. Extending his deal to trade him will ensure that whoever is getting him will have him for more than this year which would have been the case if he were to go to the Cavs (for example) and opt out which also would make some teams hesitant to pull the trigger because out what they would have given up for the use of #10 for a few months.