Proposed trade with Portland:

[pshn80]

Well, it looks like a couple of yea's and quite a few Nay's. For those that would want to insert Thornton instead of Tyreke, well I'd do that if Portland would. But I don't think they would. For those that just want to compare stats, your missing the bigger picture. For those that are concerned about having IT and Thornton on the floor together, thats going to happen anyway at some point, so get used to it. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd do the trade. But it would change the direction and the complection of the team. Which I think is needed.

When you say that I read "ain't no way in hell" that Petrie will trade away Thornton. I hope that's not what you believe because that dooms my hopes. I think he's the misfit here no matter what the lineup. Especially with Thomas starting. I don't want Tyreke starting at PG. If he doesn't then the two is where he has to play. Thornton off the bench is a Thornton-nose-twister and I am not confident it would work.

In any event, no Evans for Batum.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

We just traded Reke for Nicholas "you can just call me 12pts 4rebs" Batum. Oh lordy.

You make that condescending statement as if Tyreke has proven to be worlds better. He had one stellar rookie season, but hasn't been near as good since.

Tyreke averaged 16.5, 4.6 and 4.5 last year, while Batum averaged 13.9, 4.6, and 1.4, playing 4 less minutes per game.

Not exactly a BIG difference. Not really sure the sarcasm is warranted considering.

The age difference between the two players is less than a year. I'm not understanding why some are acting as if Tyreke still has so much upside and Batum does not (hence the role player label). Batum plays a position of dire need for the Kings. Unless Tyreke suddenly becomes this PG we all hoped and prayed he would, he really only plays a position where the Kings have depth .. SG. And Marcus Thornton is at least as good filling that position as is Evans.

Sorry, I just find it mildly entertaining that fans of a team that has won 25, 24, and 22 games respectively the past 3 seasons, that also readily admit the team needs to get longer and more athletic, would scoff at trading a player that has shown little to no development for a player that seemingly fits the description of one of the missing pieces they've been constantly seeking.

Is Tyreke the better individual player? Most would probably say so. Is he a better fit for Kings going forward? That's highly debatable.

 

[bajaden]

When you say that I read "ain't no way in hell" that Petrie will trade away Thornton. I hope that's not what you believe because that dooms my hopes. I think he's the misfit here no matter what the lineup. Especially with Thomas starting. I don't want Tyreke starting at PG. If he doesn't then the two is where he has to play. Thornton off the bench is a Thornton-nose-twister and I am not confident it would work.

In any event, no Evans for Batum.

If we go into next season with Thornton, Tyreke and IT still on the team, then I hope to god that Smart moves Thornton to the bench, and starts Tyreke at the SG position. Some of the things I say, are based not always what I want, but what I think they will be under the current administration. So do I think we'll see IT and Thornton on the floor together is both are still here? Yes! Is that what I want? No!

One last question. Do I think Smart will move IT to the bench and start Tyreke at PG? Judging from his comments, and those of the usual suspects(Grant, Jerry, etc.) no I don't. As a result, when I propose a trade like this one, it doesn't mean its a trade that under normal circumstances I would make. But if were going to live in the real world of the Maloofs not willing to spend money, and Smart, who thinks IT is a legit starting PG, this is the kind of trade you come up with. Far from perfect, but it solves our problem at SF, where we have a legit hole. We could sign T. Williams, but I think he's better as a SG than a SF. Frankly, I'm a little tired of undersized players playing out of position.

 

[Glenn]

Baja, please keep posting stuff like this. It makes people think. It sure beats the stupidity of some of the ideas posted under this caption.

I didn't think the idea was so outlandish. It's worth a discussion. Something has to be done with the guards. We have too many. As to how they are used, it depends on what is thought of Tyreke as a PG. Actually, at this moment in time, it seems to depend mostly on what Smart thinks and that bothers me a lot.

I think Tyreke is one of those unique athletes that comes along occasionally. If we aren't going to use Tyreke in a way where he is dominant, we might as well trade him because the Tyreke that doesn't attack the rim 10 times a game is not the ROY Tyreke Evans. He is being robbed of his skills and if that is going to continue, let's trade him! But lets get value in return. Of course the bright FO would have a coach that would use him properly but we are in this awful situation of having Smart.

Give Tyreke the damn ball and let him be Tyreke. The skill that makes him unique is being taken away and in fact mocked by people on this forum. Ridiculous. And I said 10 times a game so Tyreke detractors, calm yourself. If he develops a jump shot, so much the better but he as damn fine even without it. Watch him.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Give Tyreke the damn ball and let him be Tyreke. The skill that makes him unique is being taken away and in fact mocked by people on this forum. Ridiculous. And I said 10 times a game so Tyreke detractors, calm yourself. If he develops a jump shot, so much the better but he as damn fine even without it. Watch him.

In fairness to Tyreke the PG, IF he was surrounded by teammates that could consistently convert open jump shots, his assist numbers would look much more impressive. He's pretty good at the drive and kick.

As far as his jump shot goes, I did notice improvement late in the season while he was working with "the shot doc". Hopefully he continues to improve that aspect of his game.

Where I'm more concerned is at the defensive end of the floor. We all know he has the ability to defend. However, like DeMarcus, he needs to work on his consistency. I'd love to see him develop into a stopper. He has the tools to do it.

Lastly, for Tyreke to develop into a upper-echelon player in the league, I firmly believe it must be at the PG position. That's where his advantages are at. He's too big and strong for PG's to handle offensively all while being long, quick and athletic enough to stay in front and guard them on the other end. If he's moved to SG, he's not much better than average.

 

[mac]

They couldn't! It would have to be agreed to before the draft, but couldn't actually take place until after july 1st, or whenever the july moratorium ends. Its been done before, its just trickier.

But would that mean that we wouldn't know what price we'd be getting Batum at? I'm taking it you mean we do the trade pre-draft, so I'm really unsure of how this works. Sacramento trades Tyreke Evans to Blazers for #11 pick and rights to Batum? Then what happens when other teams bid for him, and we end up giving Tyreke away for the #11 pick and Nicholas Batum on a 13m/year contract?

 

[hiero]

Ditto. Thornton before Reoe all day every day. Chuckers r easy to replace., dime a dozen. Tyrekes talent is very unique.

definitely 100%. I'd rather have Thornton as our James harden off the bench and Reke at SG. or Reke/Thornton as our starters. Isaiah/MT isn't gonna cut it in the long run defensively.

 

[hiero]

In fairness to Tyreke the PG, IF he was surrounded by teammates that could consistently convert open jump shots, his assist numbers would look much more impressive. He's pretty good at the drive and kick.

As far as his jump shot goes, I did notice improvement late in the season while he was working with "the shot doc". Hopefully he continues to improve that aspect of his game.

Where I'm more concerned is at the defensive end of the floor. We all know he has the ability to defend. However, like DeMarcus, he needs to work on his consistency. I'd love to see him develop into a stopper. He has the tools to do it.

Lastly, for Tyreke to develop into a upper-echelon player in the league, I firmly believe it must be at the PG position. That's where his advantages are at. He's too big and strong for PG's to handle offensively all while being long, quick and athletic enough to stay in front and guard them on the other end. If he's moved to SG, he's not much better than average.

I totally agree with this and the above post tyreke needs to have the ball in his hands to be effective. he needs to be more focused though and not wait around so much. if he ever develops range he has almost Russell Westbrook level potential. whoever we start next year if tyreke is on the team should play well off him and his skills. he had a hard time being the 3rd option. so it'll be interesting to see what our lineup is and how things play out next year.

 

[Glenn]

C'mon Keith, if you are such a brilliant guard coach, help Tyreke. I am quoting him when I say he claims to be good at teaching guards. Then he takes our best athletic guard and instead of taking this unique opportunity to develop something special, he tries to make a SF out of him. If the excuse was that he felt some urgency to develop a winning team this year and couldn't take a year to work with Tyreke, I'll gag.

I don't know how Tyreke will progress as a guard or as a PG in particular. I DO know there was no urgency to develop Thomas. It's not like we were on the cusp of making the playoffs. I want Tyreke to have a legitimate shot at playing the position he has played the last several years and see what happens. If he doesn't develop, we don't make the playoffs. If he DOES develop, we might make the playoffs but probably not anyway. It's still a team game. The big point is that if he devlops, wow! we have a great player! He's nothing at the SF but an undersized SF.

 

[baller13]

no. no. no. I like batum and i would love to get him, but not for tyreke.