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A late response to this post. Are you seriously watching the game. Thompson has been one of the first players down the floor all night. So either your not actually not watching the game, or, your simply not paying attention.........:mad:

thompson was a beast.... great hustler, grabbed 14 rebounds... all of his points were in the paint.... he had a great game. if he plays like this every game we are in good shape for the future.
 
thompson was a beast.... great hustler, grabbed 14 rebounds... all of his points were in the paint.... he had a great game. if he plays like this every game we are in good shape for the future.

We are in agreement. He was the player of the game in my opinion. There was a point where I felt some of the team was giving up, and Thompson refused to give up. So I give him credit for part of the comeback.:)
 
I'm sorry, is there a neon sign that flashes point guard, or shooting guard as he makes the assist? Or does he hold up a finger or two for us to know exactly what position he's playing at the time? Or better yet, what the hell does it matter? Can't you just give credit where credit is due? Or is there that little part of you that has to be right. Give me a break! That was weak dude..:cool:

no it doesnt matter if you are jut counting assists, but it does if we are playing him at sg and not pg. if we need a pg to play alongside evans in order for him to get his assists then he isnt a pg. he isnt getting them as a pg. he played a good game when he wasnt getting blocked attempting a unnecessary lay up.

i think that he is a really good player. he could be rookie of the year if we dont repeat last years nightmare. but he isnt a pg. he would be good playing a few minutes at pg if everyone is hitting shots. but if they are struggling he has problems trying to find them open shots. if hawes didnt hit those threes he would have had a horrible game. nocioni was nocioni... playing pick n roll with hawes and nocioni isnt what i envisioned in our future pg. i dont like watching hawes take threes, but he was getting pushed around inside by bynum and mbenga and they gave him all the space he wanted on the perimeter. same goes for nocioni who played minutes at pf, the laker bigs didnt want to guard 3pt shots all game and the kings took advantage of it. it had nothing to do with evans pg skills. mason did the exact same thing, they took turns tossing dimes to hawes and nocioni.
 
I hope Tyreke and Jt work on the pick & roll this season. They could be a scary combination in 3-4 years. That would require Tyreke improving his jumper, but I think they have the skillset to eventually run it effectively.
 
Good showing from Thompson, Hawes, and Tyreke. Hawes was getting trashed on by you guys throughout the game but he ended up with big numbers. Thompson was the player of the game. Martin = :'(

Hawes' problem is that he really can't/won't defend against guys like Bynum and Oden, who seem to have their pick of shooting over him or overpowering him. Aside from that he played pretty well, but, when he's going to be facing centers who are more athletic than him on a very regular basis, I still find that worrisome. And he didn't keep others out of the paint very effectively, either.

Bynum, in the paint, really screwed up our game. Hawes should aspire to being like that.
 
We are in agreement. He was the player of the game in my opinion. There was a point where I felt some of the team was giving up, and Thompson refused to give up. So I give him credit for part of the comeback.:)

easily the best player on the team tonight... he was everywhere. im so happy to have nba league pass this season. he shouldnt be playing back up center though... he isnt strong enough to stop bynum or mbenga who had a great game for the lakers. you honestly couldnt tell that bynum was out of the game the way mbenga played against thompson and hawes.
 
Hawes' problem is that he really can't/won't defend against guys like Bynum and Oden, who seem to have their pick of shooting over him or overpowering him. Aside from that he played pretty well, but, when he's going to be facing centers who are more athletic than him on a very regular basis, I still find that worrisome. And he didn't keep others out of the paint very effectively, either.

Bynum, in the paint, really screwed up our game. Hawes should aspire to being like that.

Hawes was terrible tonight and was thoroughly outplayed by Bynum through the first three quarters--he looked soft, missed lobs, even missed a dunk, and didn't look like he was into it at all. He did redeem himself in what was supposed to be garbagetime to get us back into it somewhat, and while I like his range I don't like how he sometimes actively camps out at the three point line. He was even having trouble with DJ Mbenga of all people.
 
no it doesnt matter if you are jut counting assists, but it does if we are playing him at sg and not pg. if we need a pg to play alongside evans in order for him to get his assists then he isnt a pg. he isnt getting them as a pg. he played a good game when he wasnt getting blocked attempting a unnecessary lay up.

So let me see if I can get this straight. Tyreke got 3 asts while playing SG (according to you) and 6 asts while playing PG -- Thus he proves that he needs other PGs on the floor to get assists and is not a real PG. Am I following you logic correctly? Because if I am, then you need to go back and rethink things a bit IMO.

I would also point out that Tyreke (9 assists) had more assists that the other 3 guards who played for the Kings combined (Martin 2, Beno 3, Sergio 3). And before you try to bring up Mason, he got all his assists in the first quarter while playing SF.
 
How can 8 boards, 9 assists, 3 steals and 13 points be ugly?

Granted I didn't watch the game, but imo, those are God damn impressive numbers for a rookie.

there is a reason why he has 8 rebounds.... there were a lot of bad shots... evans himself had his shot blocked 4 times. the lakers had 5 total blocks... hawes was punked out of the post by bynum and mbenga. bynum had 20 points by halftime.... the kings were down by 21 at one point and we were lucky that phil let the laker scrubs play almost the entire 2nd half or we would have lost by 30 without pau gasol. it was ugly.... the box score looks nice but it doesnt tell the entire story...

the lakers destroyed the kings tonight. this wasnt as close as the boxscore shows...
 
there is a reason why he has 8 rebounds.... there were a lot of bad shots... evans himself had his shot blocked 4 times. the lakers had 5 total blocks... hawes was punked out of the post by bynum and mbenga. bynum had 20 points by halftime.... the kings were down by 21 at one point and we were lucky that phil let the laker scrubs play almost the entire 2nd half or we would have lost by 30 without pau gasol. it was ugly.... the box score looks nice but it doesnt tell the entire story...

the lakers destroyed the kings tonight. this wasnt as close as the boxscore shows...

I'd pretty much agree with most of that. JT played pretty well throughout, but a lot of the other players only escaped shameful numbers because the Lakers put in their garbagetime crew during the 3rd quarter, and left them in for the rest of the game.
 
I'd pretty much agree with most of that. JT played pretty well throughout, but a lot of the other players only escaped shameful numbers because the Lakers put in their garbagetime crew during the 3rd quarter, and left them in for the rest of the game.

thompson had a good game, he is the real story of the game... 19pts 14 reb... i dont know why he was trying to shoot threes but besides that he had a great game.

thompson and hawes combined for 2-6 threes and 3-8 freethrows... thats a damn shame. martin being 2-6 ft doesnt help either....
 
thompson had a good game, he is the real story of the game... 19pts 14 reb... i dont know why he was trying to shoot threes but besides that he had a great game.

At least one of those was a 30+ foot lob as the end-of-quarter buzzer sounded. I actually give players a lot of credit when they do that, because there's a 95% chance they'll screw up their own numbers, and only a 5% chance it'll help the team, but they go for it anyway. That's the one kind of 3 I want to see our bigs attempting. It shows good attitude.
 
thompson had a good game, he is the real story of the game... 19pts 14 reb... i dont know why he was trying to shoot threes but besides that he had a great game.

thompson and hawes combined for 2-6 threes and 3-8 freethrows... thats a damn shame. martin being 2-6 ft doesnt help either....


*COUGH* Coachie *COUGH*
 
Anyways, JT is a beast.

Was worried about Reke's finishing ability when we drafted him. Dude needs to dunk more. Impressive statline nonetheless. He'll get it. Kid is going to be a horrible monster striking fear into the hearts of opposing backcourts. ROY is probably going to be Reke vs Griffin. Griffin will get it naturally and Kingsfans will go up in flames...But I get ahead of myself.
 
thompson had a good game, he is the real story of the game... 19pts 14 reb... i dont know why he was trying to shoot threes but besides that he had a great game.

thompson and hawes combined for 2-6 threes and 3-8 freethrows... thats a damn shame. martin being 2-6 ft doesnt help either....


Thats one thing I'm not ok with.. Big men shooting 3's. Could someone tell me the last time a championship was won on the shoulders of a jump shooting big man?

The majority of power fowards and centers these days are wussies with a capital P.
 
A late response to this post. Are you seriously watching the game. Thompson has been one of the first players down the floor all night. So either your not actually not watching the game, or, your simply not paying attention.........:mad:

I watched almost the entire game, and I saw on a consistent basis the bigs not getting back on defense fast enough to beat the lakers down court, which lead to easy transition baskets.
 
I knew it would come to pass...All summer there were stories about JT working with Coachie, talking about improving his range et cetra....

I really think a restraining order should be put on Coachie, so that he has to stay like...50 yards from our young frontcourt players.

On the flip side, I wouldnt mind Coachie and Tyreke being joined at the hip. Can only imagine if what he did for Martin he does for Reke. Thats our 20/5/5 player right there.
 
Thats one thing I'm not ok with.. Big men shooting 3's. Could someone tell me the last time a championship was won on the shoulders of a jump shooting big man?

The majority of power fowards and centers these days are wussies with a capital P.
Gotta be the 80s. Bill Lambeer...Larry Bird...
 
Gotta be the 80s. Bill Lambeer...Larry Bird...

Laimbeer attempted less than one 3-pointer per game through his career, but I could maybe go with Bird, who tried 1.9 per game.

So I guess there's your answer: 1986. If 1.9 attempts per game counts.
 
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thompson had a good game, he is the real story of the game... 19pts 14 reb... i dont know why he was trying to shoot threes but besides that he had a great game.

thompson and hawes combined for 2-6 threes and 3-8 freethrows... thats a damn shame. martin being 2-6 ft doesnt help either....
I hope you take this the right way, but everytime I read one of your posts, I get an image of your Laker buddies standing behind you, cheering you on, as you type on your computer.

This is the 3rd preseason game under a new coach and with new offensive & defensive schemes. Too make any definitive evaluation of the team or players is simply foolish.

Hawes played part of 1 game before today because of an injuried ankle & there is no evidence that it's totally healed. Could he have gone strong to the rim on certain plays? Certainly, but one game doesn't prove that he won't later on in the season.

Bynum got a couple of fade away jumpers over Hawes in the 1st half. But, half of Bynum's points came from the FT line and Hawes only had 2 fouls called on him defending Bynum. In the end it wasn't Hawes' play against Bynum that cost the Kings the game.


Martin was under the weather so Evans played some SG. But, just because Beno is in the backcourt with him doen't mean Beno wasn't playing SG. Because a player gets 9 assists, playing both PG & SG doesn't mean he isn't s PG and that he wouldn't have gotten the 9 assists if he had played PG for the entire game.

Hawes, JT, Ty & Noc accounted for 80% of the rebounds and 66% of the scoring. If you didn't have an axe to grind, I imagine you could find a better scapegoat to attack. How about PW, who obviously is more interested in experimenting with lineups then in possibly winnning a preseason game. Why else would he leave Sergio in and Martin out, when they needed a 3 to tie the last Portland game.

No matter how often to profess not to be a hater (& it seems to happen alot), you still come off as one to me. (just my opinion, no offense meant)
 
im cool with hawes taking 3s if he makes it.. sure he wont be able to hold his ground against the likes of dwight, oden and bynum... but can those guys too roam in the perimeter?? that would open things up for reke and martin... bynum can score all the 2s he wants down there but if hawes can match it up with his 3s... 3s beats 2s anyday ;)..

liking the stats reke put up, potential triple double? in the near future i see him having those nights damn we have size in the back court... how tall is reke listed at? 6foot5?
 
I hope you take this the right way, but everytime I read one of your posts, I get an image of your Laker buddies standing behind you, cheering you on, as you type on your computer.

This is the 3rd preseason game under a new coach and with new offensive & defensive schemes. Too make any definitive evaluation of the team or players is simply foolish.

Hawes played part of 1 game before today because of an injuried ankle & there is no evidence that it's totally healed. Could he have gone strong to the rim on certain plays? Certainly, but one game doesn't prove that he won't later on in the season.

Bynum got a couple of fade away jumpers over Hawes in the 1st half. But, half of Bynum's points came from the FT line and Hawes only had 2 fouls called on him defending Bynum. In the end it wasn't Hawes' play against Bynum that cost the Kings the game.


Martin was under the weather so Evans played some SG. But, just because Beno is in the backcourt with him doen't mean Beno wasn't playing SG. Because a player gets 9 assists, playing both PG & SG doesn't mean he isn't s PG and that he wouldn't have gotten the 9 assists if he had played PG for the entire game.

Hawes, JT, Ty & Noc accounted for 80% of the rebounds and 66% of the scoring. If you didn't have an axe to grind, I imagine you could find a better scapegoat to attack. How about PW, who obviously is more interested in experimenting with lineups then in possibly winnning a preseason game. Why else would he leave Sergio in and Martin out, when they needed a 3 to tie the last Portland game.

No matter how often to profess not to be a hater (& it seems to happen alot), you still come off as one to me. (just my opinion, no offense meant)

all of that is true but the way tyreke gets his assists the same way players like kobe, wade or roy... beno was playing pg, he sucked and was fumbling the ball. sergio was playing pg and was the first player to start driving and dishing. tyreke was driving and shooting. he has shoot first mentality, he is a fantastic player... but he doesnt play like a pg and has pretty weak court vision.

tyreke shot 6-18, he was blocked 4 times.... he wasnt looking to set anyone up. lots of screen and rolls... he played just like john salmons which i think i mentioned in the beginning.... salmons had no problem getting assists but he wasnt a pg. when salmons was played at pg it didnt work, thats how evans is. they can handle the ball but they cant run the point full time.

i think that evans will be a really good player. as good if not better than martin or even brandon roy but he isnt a pg. he will become the player that john salmons wished he had become. there are going to be a lot of trade martin threads this season, evans will play well this season.
 
im cool with hawes taking 3s if he makes it.. sure he wont be able to hold his ground against the likes of dwight, oden and bynum... but can those guys too roam in the perimeter?? that would open things up for reke and martin... bynum can score all the 2s he wants down there but if hawes can match it up with his 3s... 3s beats 2s anyday ;)..
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If this is sarcasm/joke it's pretty funny actually... if it's real please let me know so I can write a 10 page paper on the things wrong here....... :confused:
 
rebounding bad shots

there is a reason why he has 8 rebounds.... there were a lot of bad shots... evans himself had his shot blocked 4 times. the lakers had 5 total blocks... hawes was punked out of the post by bynum and mbenga. bynum had 20 points by halftime.... the kings were down by 21 at one point and we were lucky that phil let the laker scrubs play almost the entire 2nd half or we would have lost by 30 without pau gasol. it was ugly.... the box score looks nice but it doesnt tell the entire story...

the lakers destroyed the kings tonight. this wasnt as close as the boxscore shows...


(There was a reason why he has 8 rebounds... there were a lot of bad shots.) Huh? How do you rebound good shots?
 
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