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He was literally better post all star break

21 games

26.4 MPG

16 PPG
3.4 RPG
2.7 RPG
42.8% from 3
64.1% TS
21.9% USG

Pre all star:

50 games
30.4 MPG

14.9 PPG
3.4 RPG
2.9 APG
39.2% from 3
60.4% TS
19.4% USG
I never said “post all-star break”. That’s not the half way point. I said after his hot start he fell off somewhere around December/January. How about compiling those stats?

Most of all, I said he was inconsistent. I didn’t say he wasn’t good in any games during that stretch.

I’ll bet some of the games you’re including in that 50 game cluster would significantly bring down his 2nd half numbers. We all know he was red hot for the first month, month and a half. It was after that where he tanked and for some reason you’ve decided to selectively compile 50 games versus 21.

How about doing a split 41 games into the season vs the last 41? The games he played. Let’s try that. If it’s similar to what you already posted, I’ll retract.
 
He was literally better post all star break

21 games

26.4 MPG

16 PPG
3.4 RPG
2.7 RPG
42.8% from 3
64.1% TS
21.9% USG

Pre all star:

50 games
30.4 MPG

14.9 PPG
3.4 RPG
2.9 APG
39.2% from 3
60.4% TS
19.4% USG
You gotta love eye test vs. actual stats. lol
Wow, he essentially put up the same stats on better efficiency with 4 less minutes per game .
I never said “post all-star break”. That’s not the half way point. I said after his hot start he fell off somewhere around December/January. How about compiling those stats?

How about doing a split 41 games into the season vs the last 41? The games he played. Let’s try that. If it’s similar to what you already posted, I’ll retract.
Ok. Since I asked for a split of the first 41 vs the last 41, I decided put my money where my mouth was and took the time to produce them.

Huerter played 38 of the first 41 games and 37 of the final 41. So that's a pretty even split.

Here are the numbers:
  • First half: 15.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 42% from 3pt
  • Second half: 14.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 3.0 apg, 38% from 3pt
While not drastically worse, it was, in fact, worse in terms of scoring and 3pt shooting.

More importantly, while the 3pt numbers overall the 2nd half were still good, it was the inconsistency that I had remembered and called out. And the overall averages don't tell the story.

Here's what I'm talking about.

During the first half of the season, he only shot under 33.3% from 3 point range in 8 out of the 38 games he played.
During the second half of the season, he shot under 33.3 from 3 point range in a whopping 16 of the 37 games he played.

His worse stretch of the season occurred from January 15th through February 10th, just before the all-star break. Which isn't too far out of line with what I remembered and what I mentioned previously.

During that stretch he shot under 33.3% in 9 out of 14 games. And in 2 other games he shot exactly 33.3% from three. So that's poor shooting in 11 out of 14 games.

Here's the most important piece of context.

During the 37 second half games, he had 5 games in which he was hot and hit 5 or more 3's on super high efficiency (4 of those 5 games were included in @The_Jamal 's small 21 game sample size), which balanced out his 2nd half numbers at 38%.

So while, overall, he did put up good shooting numbers the 2nd half -- which is undeniable -- it is the bolded portion above along with the other 32 games during the 2nd half (when he wasn't hot) that demonstrate the inconsistency I've been talking about.

If you remove the 5 games in which he went 5-9, 6-9, 6-10, 8-11, and 6-12, here's what his scoring and 3pt shooting looks like for the remaining 32 games (much, much higher sample size):
  • 12.7 ppg, 61-190 from 3 (32.1%)
For comparisons sake and to be fair, if you remove the 5 statistically best shooting games from his 1st half (with the highest volume of makes) in which he went 7-8, 5-7, 6-9, 5-8, and 6-10 here's what his scoring and 3pt shooting looks like for the remaining 33 games:
  • 14.7 ppg, 84-227 from 3 (37%)
That's a CLEAR and NOTABLE difference. Not only was he FAR more consistent from October through early January, he wasn't near as good during the 2nd half of the season as Jamal suggests. He was just really good for 4 of those 21 games.

To further demonstrate and prove that, Huerter's numbers for the other 17 of the 21 total post all-star break games are as follows:
  • 10.7 ppg, 36-103 from 3 (35%)
So, factually, he was not better post-all-star break when volume of games is considered. And THAT is precisely what some of us remembered before diving into the actual statistics. Jamal's numbers were heavily influenced by FOUR games. Fact.

Now, someone may wonder why am I so hyperfocused on his 3pt shooting. Well, that's because 41% of Huerter's total FG attempts are from 3pt range (356 of 866). So it's statistically significant. He typically goes how his 3pt shooting goes.

In closing, I stand by what I stated all along. I've backed up the statements I made. I will acknowledge that the overall drop in production wasn't as steep as I felt it would be, but the number of games in which he struggled shooting from deep during the 2nd half backs up what I and others remembered (compared to the first half of the season).

So, @macadocious @funkykingston @White_Chocolate .... there are your REAL stats.
 
Wasn’t there a podcast or interview this summer where Huerter acknowledged that he wasn’t ready for the team’s pace for the season and he ran out of gas in the playoffs? Think he said he was going to work on conditioning for next year, too. Don’t know where I remember seeing that.
 
Ok. Since I asked for a split of the first 41 vs the last 41, I decided put my money where my mouth was and took the time to produce them.

Huerter played 38 of the first 41 games and 37 of the final 41. So that's a pretty even split.

Here are the numbers:
  • First half: 15.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 42% from 3pt
  • Second half: 14.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 3.0 apg, 38% from 3pt
While not drastically worse, it was, in fact, worse in terms of scoring and 3pt shooting.

More importantly, while the 3pt numbers overall the 2nd half were still good, it was the inconsistency that I had remembered and called out. And the overall averages don't tell the story.

Here's what I'm talking about.

During the first half of the season, he only shot under 33.3% from 3 point range in 8 out of the 38 games he played.
During the second half of the season, he shot under 33.3 from 3 point range in a whopping 16 of the 37 games he played.

His worse stretch of the season occurred from January 15th through February 10th, just before the all-star break. Which isn't too far out of line with what I remembered and what I mentioned previously.

During that stretch he shot under 33.3% in 9 out of 14 games. And in 2 other games he shot exactly 33.3% from three. So that's poor shooting in 11 out of 14 games.

Here's the most important piece of context.

During the 37 second half games, he had 5 games in which he was hot and hit 5 or more 3's on super high efficiency (4 of those 5 games were included in @The_Jamal 's small 21 game sample size), which balanced out his 2nd half numbers at 38%.

So while, overall, he did put up good shooting numbers the 2nd half -- which is undeniable -- it is the bolded portion above along with the other 32 games during the 2nd half (when he wasn't hot) that demonstrate the inconsistency I've been talking about.

If you remove the 5 games in which he went 5-9, 6-9, 6-10, 8-11, and 6-12, here's what his scoring and 3pt shooting looks like for the remaining 32 games (much, much higher sample size):
  • 12.7 ppg, 61-190 from 3 (32.1%)
For comparisons sake and to be fair, if you remove the 5 statistically best shooting games from his 1st half (with the highest volume of makes) in which he went 7-8, 5-7, 6-9, 5-8, and 6-10 here's what his scoring and 3pt shooting looks like for the remaining 33 games:
  • 14.7 ppg, 84-227 from 3 (37%)
That's a CLEAR and NOTABLE difference. Not only was he FAR more consistent from October through early January, he wasn't near as good during the 2nd half of the season as Jamal suggests. He was just really good for 4 of those 21 games.

To further demonstrate and prove that, Huerter's numbers for the other 17 of the 21 total post all-star break games are as follows:
  • 10.7 ppg, 36-103 from 3 (35%)
So, factually, he was not better post-all-star break when volume of games is considered. And THAT is precisely what some of us remembered before diving into the actual statistics. Jamal's numbers were heavily influenced by FOUR games. Fact.

Now, someone may wonder why am I so hyperfocused on his 3pt shooting. Well, that's because 41% of Huerter's total FG attempts are from 3pt range (356 of 866). So it's statistically significant. He typically goes how his 3pt shooting goes.

In closing, I stand by what I stated all along. I've backed up the statements I made. I will acknowledge that the overall drop in production wasn't as steep as I felt it would be, but the number of games in which he struggled shooting from deep during the 2nd half backs up what I and others remembered (compared to the first half of the season).

So, @macadocious @funkykingston @White_Chocolate .... there are your REAL stats.
I wasn't even responding to your post, but since you're quoting me - what you're really saying is that Huerter had a really rough stretch in the beginning of the calendar year, then played really, really well to finish the season before having a poor playoff series. That doesn't really support your point that he faded in the 2nd half of the season. What it says, and what we all saw, is that he had a lot of ups and downs last season.

He didn't carry poor play into the playoffs. If anything, he came out of the slump he was in just before the all-star break to play his best basketball as a King before struggling in the postseason.
 
Ok. Since I asked for a split of the first 41 vs the last 41, I decided put my money where my mouth was and took the time to produce them.

Huerter played 38 of the first 41 games and 37 of the final 41. So that's a pretty even split.

Here are the numbers:
  • First half: 15.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 42% from 3pt
  • Second half: 14.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 3.0 apg, 38% from 3pt
While not drastically worse, it was, in fact, worse in terms of scoring and 3pt shooting.

More importantly, while the 3pt numbers overall the 2nd half were still good, it was the inconsistency that I had remembered and called out. And the overall averages don't tell the story.

Here's what I'm talking about.

During the first half of the season, he only shot under 33.3% from 3 point range in 8 out of the 38 games he played.
During the second half of the season, he shot under 33.3 from 3 point range in a whopping 16 of the 37 games he played.

His worse stretch of the season occurred from January 15th through February 10th, just before the all-star break. Which isn't too far out of line with what I remembered and what I mentioned previously.

During that stretch he shot under 33.3% in 9 out of 14 games. And in 2 other games he shot exactly 33.3% from three. So that's poor shooting in 11 out of 14 games.

Here's the most important piece of context.

During the 37 second half games, he had 5 games in which he was hot and hit 5 or more 3's on super high efficiency (4 of those 5 games were included in @The_Jamal 's small 21 game sample size), which balanced out his 2nd half numbers at 38%.

So while, overall, he did put up good shooting numbers the 2nd half -- which is undeniable -- it is the bolded portion above along with the other 32 games during the 2nd half (when he wasn't hot) that demonstrate the inconsistency I've been talking about.

If you remove the 5 games in which he went 5-9, 6-9, 6-10, 8-11, and 6-12, here's what his scoring and 3pt shooting looks like for the remaining 32 games (much, much higher sample size):
  • 12.7 ppg, 61-190 from 3 (32.1%)
For comparisons sake and to be fair, if you remove the 5 statistically best shooting games from his 1st half (with the highest volume of makes) in which he went 7-8, 5-7, 6-9, 5-8, and 6-10 here's what his scoring and 3pt shooting looks like for the remaining 33 games:
  • 14.7 ppg, 84-227 from 3 (37%)
That's a CLEAR and NOTABLE difference. Not only was he FAR more consistent from October through early January, he wasn't near as good during the 2nd half of the season as Jamal suggests. He was just really good for 4 of those 21 games.

To further demonstrate and prove that, Huerter's numbers for the other 17 of the 21 total post all-star break games are as follows:
  • 10.7 ppg, 36-103 from 3 (35%)
So, factually, he was not better post-all-star break when volume of games is considered. And THAT is precisely what some of us remembered before diving into the actual statistics. Jamal's numbers were heavily influenced by FOUR games. Fact.

Now, someone may wonder why am I so hyperfocused on his 3pt shooting. Well, that's because 41% of Huerter's total FG attempts are from 3pt range (356 of 866). So it's statistically significant. He typically goes how his 3pt shooting goes.

In closing, I stand by what I stated all along. I've backed up the statements I made. I will acknowledge that the overall drop in production wasn't as steep as I felt it would be, but the number of games in which he struggled shooting from deep during the 2nd half backs up what I and others remembered (compared to the first half of the season).

So, @macadocious @funkykingston @White_Chocolate .... there are your REAL stats.
While not exactly "half-way" through the year, the all-star break is more often than not regarded as the "half-way mark" of the NBA season. Hell, any professional league. Pre all-star is the first half of the season, post all-star is the 2nd half. Which is why I used those splits. Someone can let me know if I'm way off-base on that, but I'm pretty sure that's universal.

Yeah he was inconsistent at times. That's what role players are. And while he's an extremely high level role player, the expectation isn't on him to perform like a Fox/Domas every game. Comes with the territory where role players are going to go through swings throughout the year. I love Monk, but he was incredibly inconsistent too:

October: 48% TS, 34% from 3
November: 65% TS, 36.8% from 3
December: 53.7% TS. 28.4% from 3
January: 50% TS, 28.8% from 3
Feb: 69.4% TS, 47.8% from 3
March: 59.7% TS, 42.0% from 3
April: 54.5% TS, 30.8% from 3.

If we're going to cherry pick 2 bad Huerter months, then we certainly have to cherry pick the 3 months where Monk forgot how to shoot.

Also I love how you say I'm cherry picking stats, when you're out here removing 5 game samples from his numbers. Like what??? How does that even make sense. You can't just remove his 5 best games and say " SEE LOOK! HE WAS HORRIBLE, JUST DON'T LOOK AT THESE 5 GAMES WHERE HE WAS AWESOME". This is a prime example of manipulating a data set for it to say what you want it to say.
 
OKC has like 20 players so far they will cut/trade some I'm looking at Kenrich Williams (better than Duarte imo) who's a absolute pitbull/tough guy this team needs. He's a smarter/smaller Dillion Brooks minus the low IQ (which means he's nothing like Dillion Brooks).
 
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Going back to the Ellis/Duarte situation, I think Ellis does have a shot at that PT. His defense is really something. It would be great to get consistent two-way play from either one of those guys. If one can hit 36-38% from 3, we will be rolling.
 
Going back to the Ellis/Duarte situation, I think Ellis does have a shot at that PT. His defense is really something. It would be great to get consistent two-way play from either one of those guys. If one can hit 36-38% from 3, we will be rolling.
I like Ellis too - but I think Duerte is going to get a lot of minutes at SF. I don’t think Ellis is competing for minutes at that spot.
 
I like Ellis too - but I think Duerte is going to get a lot of minutes at SF. I don’t think Ellis is competing for minutes at that spot.
I feel like Duarte is going to struggle to get minutes unless he starts the season better than he was as a rookie. He was injured last year and his numbers were really bad. Hopefully it was all injury related and he shows up looking like a new player.

I don't think Ellis will be getting many minutes at any position and if it was at SF it would only be situational and matchup dependent. He just doesn't have a big enough frame to go up against average sized SFs.
 
I like Ellis too - but I think Duerte is going to get a lot of minutes at SF. I don’t think Ellis is competing for minutes at that spot.
Players like Ellis and Duarte are likely your prove it in camp guys. If one carves out a niche they play. If not, who knows. IIRC in the minutes Ellis did get last year he was basically playing SF.

Here's some highlights against the Pels, most of the time he's with Delly and Monk. So playing SF didn't appear to be an issue and from what fans have said about Duarte, I think Ellis is a much better option at SF if it's a question of defensive need.

 
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I feel like Duarte is going to struggle to get minutes unless he starts the season better than he was as a rookie. He was injured last year and his numbers were really bad. Hopefully it was all injury related and he shows up looking like a new player.

I don't think Ellis will be getting many minutes at any position and if it was at SF it would only be situational and matchup dependent. He just doesn't have a big enough frame to go up against average sized SFs.
Yeah, if it's against bigger wing teams neither is probably ideal, but probably still an upgrade over some of last years small G lineups.
 
Garuba was waived by OKC.
I had a feeling this was going to happen. Houston had other priorities and OKC had too many players. I think this guy is a steal on the waiver wire. He can defend 3 or 4 positions (wings, forwards, and small-ball centers), has impressive steal, block, and rebound rates, and shot 40% from three last season (granted that was on only 59 attempts but the potential to space the floor is already there). I don't know that we have any roster spots left right now but someone will snap him up.
 
Cameron Payne just got waived by the Spurs. The Kings have a clear need for another backup point guard. Could the Kings possibly lure Payne for a chance to be on a title contender. It's worth a shot for Monte to call him up.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/spurs-...-in-trade-with-suns-per-report-202739576.html
I like Payne a lot, but he's way too good to be a 3rd PG. He's honestly probably a better player than Davion, but Davion's defense is a better niche fit with what he need. He'll have no problem inking a true back-up PG job somewhere.
 
I like Payne a lot, but he's way too good to be a 3rd PG. He's honestly probably a better player than Davion, but Davion's defense is a better niche fit with what he need. He'll have no problem inking a true back-up PG job somewhere.
If I'm Payne or his agent I'd put in a call to Milwaukee. Signing a one year deal to be the clear #2 PG on a contending team is a good way to boost value for next offseason.
 
If I'm Payne or his agent I'd put in a call to Milwaukee. Signing a one year deal to be the clear #2 PG on a contending team is a good way to boost value for next offseason.
Great fit there too. They could use another creator on that team and don't really have a ton of reliable ball-handling/passing outside their star guys.