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Yawn... Sorry, but this whole Lakers blah, blah, blah is bad enough from laker fans. When someone claiming to be a Kings fan continues in the same vein ad nauseum, it just gets more than a bit redundant.

Here's an idea - If you want to bash the Kings and praise the Lakers, why not try a Lakers forum? I can pretty much guarantee your attitude would be welcome there. A dissatisfied, bitter "Kings" fan dumping on his team and worshipping at the feet of the Laker dynasty? You'd be golden...
 
gasol is the reason why the lakers are champs. that team is the same team that lost to the suns 2 years before and had kwame as their center.

Yeah because Pau Gasol is such a great center he alone gave the Lakers a championship. You know like all the championships he brought to Memphis before he went to the Lakers.

The Lakers got some pieces practically thrown in their faces in exchange for garbage. You're assuming that every and any team can do such a trade any time they want. You're right in saying that Gasol was a big reason for their championship run. So? Do we even stand a chance of getting a Gasol-calibre player in exchange for say Beno Udrih?

As for Boston, my personal stand is that they took a huge risk that paid off in the short term. They won a championship, wow-wee. But now I think they're rather screwed for the next 5 years at least, with this coming season probably being their last chance at competing. After that they'll slip in mediocrity and have no youth aside from Rondo.

You also seem to underestimate the value of a true superstar to rebuild around. The FO definitely made several big mistakes in the past, we all acknowledge that. The point is that now we are headed in the right direction to becoming competitive for a long period again, another run at many straight playoff appearances. At the moment getting another high draft pick could only be a good thing for us. You express your disappointment in our MLE signings of the last few years, yet you want us to now use our biggest expiring contract and largest trade asset in KT to sign some slightly above average player who will only bring us a lower draft pick and steal time from our young guys.

That really really makes sense to me.
 
the celtics had to suck for 2 years... before that they were a rebuilding team just like we are now. guess what they did.... they traded their young players before they hit their primes and ended up winning a ring. they used their mle to sign vets to fill out their roster, posey and house.... cassell was signed for the minimum after being waived by the clippers.

kobe is a great player but without pau or shaq he wouldnt have a ring. he would just be a great scorer who couldnt win it all by himself. a healthy tmac couldve won with gasol, lebron probably wouldve gone undefeated on that lakers squad. wade won a ring with shaq past his prime then couldnt make the playoffs without him. granted injuries played a huge part in that but still... the lakers lost bynum twice against the same team and made the finals twice. gasol is the reason why the lakers are champs. that team is the same team that lost to the suns 2 years before and had kwame as their center.

This is the most ridiculous post you have made, and you've made plenty of questionable posts. Please go back and read what you posted, and apply the same stilted logic to it that you apply to my posts and see what you come up with. Let me just say this. A team wins a championship not because of just one player. Having a great player like Kobe makes a huge difference though. It helps in recruiting other players. It helps the other players on the court when the defense of every team you play is focused on Kobe. But a team wins a championship because first and foremost because they're a TEAM.

Jordan, who is one of the greatest players of all time, couldn't win a championship by himself. He tried! But until Pippin and company arrived, He floundered just like Kobe did before Shaq, and now Pau.

To compare the LA market to the Sacramento market as though they're equal is pure lunacy. In order to get Webber to come here, we had to trade for him and then twist both his arms behind his back, while Joe Maloof personally offered to cut his lawn for him. Do you think that Jerry Buss would do that?

Your acting like a small child that throws a tantrum at christmas because he didn't get the toy he wanted. Life is full of disappointment, get over it. You say the teams sucks. The majority on this fourm happens to disagree with you. That doesn't mean we won't be critical from time to time. We just happen to believe that the team is finally headed in the right direction. Yes, it will take a couple of years for it to come together. I'm sorry if thats not soon enough for you. But your whinning isn't going to change that fact. You can either enjoy the process with the target in sight, or just go and be a Laker fan and enjoy the now.

By the way, the Celtic's won't look so good in a couple of years. They're an old team, as is San Antonio and Dallas, and the Suns. If there's a team that should be praised for staying on top, or at least close to the top, its Denver. They've managed to re-do their roster over and over again and stay competitive. True, they still haven't won anything, but they came close last year.
 
the celtics had to suck for 2 years... before that they were a rebuilding team just like we are now. guess what they did.... they traded their young players before they hit their primes and ended up winning a ring. they used their mle to sign vets to fill out their roster, posey and house.... cassell was signed for the minimum after being waived by the clippers.

kobe is a great player but without pau or shaq he wouldnt have a ring. he would just be a great scorer who couldnt win it all by himself. a healthy tmac couldve won with gasol, lebron probably wouldve gone undefeated on that lakers squad. wade won a ring with shaq past his prime then couldnt make the playoffs without him. granted injuries played a huge part in that but still... the lakers lost bynum twice against the same team and made the finals twice. gasol is the reason why the lakers are champs. that team is the same team that lost to the suns 2 years before and had kwame as their center.


The Celtics situation was a tad different. They already had an attractive player to lure in other good ones. Pierce was a top 10 player when they traded for Ray. KG had said he didnt want to come to Boston ( before the Allen trade ) After the Celtics got Allen, KG was in. There is nothing attractive about this team as it is currently put together ( from a star players point of view).

The Celtics won the title in an extremely unique way. Im not sure another team will be able to put a roster together like that in such a short period of time and I dont think its a good blue print to how we should be constructing this team.
 
The Celtics situation was a tad different. They already had an attractive player to lure in other good ones. Pierce was a top 10 player when they traded for Ray. KG had said he didnt want to come to Boston ( before the Allen trade ) After the Celtics got Allen, KG was in. There is nothing attractive about this team as it is currently put together ( from a star players point of view).

The Celtics won the title in an extremely unique way. Im not sure another team will be able to put a roster together like that in such a short period of time and I dont think its a good blue print to how we should be constructing this team.

Its a blue print for one, or maybe, possibly two and done. But one is better than none.:(
 
the lakers went from the finals to the lottery in one trade (shaq). then went from 1 and done to the finals in one trade (gasol).

I see you continue to MISS the fact that he still had a franchise player on their team to build around even during the bad times. That makes it MUCH easier to rebuild.

we went from top 5 in the west in february 2005 to rebuilding for the next 5 years in one trade (webber).... and one of the worst regular season records in the nba in that timespan only the 2005 hawks (13-69) and 2008 heat (15-67) have had seasons with fewer wins than the kings did last season (17-65)... we went from having a starting pf who averaged 21/10/5 to kenny thomas overnight... and we have sucked ever since.

I'm sorry, but the Webber trade is not what started the Kings on their way down, it was his knee injury. I don't care what his "stats" were prior to the trade, anyone watching the games could easily see that he was hurting the team much more than he was helping them.
 
The truth in all of this is that there are basically 2 ways to rebuild a team.

1. The best way is to get a superstar (or borderline superstar) to build around. You then go out and get at least one more star player and a bunch of solid role players to put on the floor with him. This is done through the draft, trades, and FAs. If you can get 2 stars it is even better.

The obvious problem with this method is getting the superstar player. If you are a big market like LA or NY, they will usually come to you. If you are a smaller market, then you have to either get a little lucky in the draft or find a way to trade for one (not easy to do).

2. The second way is to try to get as many young players as you can and hope they develope into either star or good players. If you can get enough young, talented players to be competitive, you might be able to use them to lure a superstar FA to your team. Or... The more likely senario is that you can trade some of them to get a young star who you think can delelope into a superstar. If you are bad enough during the rebuild, you just might be able to get lucky in the draft and get a superstar. This is the way most teams do their rebuild.

I know some are going to point to the Celtics and what they did to rebuild, but I don't consider what they did rebuilding. They took a risk and went for broke to win right now! And it managed to pay off (the first season). Age started to catch up with them this season and they didn't make it. Adding Wallace might give them one more chance, but then they are pretty much back to the drawing board IMO.

I would also like to point out to those who think we should have started our rebuild the moment we traded Webber (instead of holding on as a playoff team for a few more seasons, but not contending), that it is easier said than done. When you start to fade (as a team or as a player), it is never easy to admit it to yourself. Most tend to hold on for as long as they can. Phoenix, Dallas, and SA are doing the exact same thing IMO. They are going to hold on for as long as Nash, Nowinski, and Duncan are still playing and then start to rebuild. As we already know, it will then be too late. When I think back, I can really only think of one GM that was willing to move on when a player started to fade (but could still play), and that was Bill Walsh. He turned the team over to Steve Young and let Montana go even though many fans were upset by it. He did the same thing with Ronnie Lott and Jerry Rice. Most GMs just don't have the guts to do that.
 
patient? this team hasnt been competetive for 5 years now... this team wasnt even competetive for 5 years in the golden webber/divac era.... the rebuild has been longer than the time that we were contenders. i was patient 2-3 years ago when everyone was saying that we had to wait 2-3 years....

maybe its because i wasnt a kings fan before jwill arrived... im not used to these 5-7 year droughts...

people need to stop making excuses for this team sucking. kobe is one man, a damn good player but he was a 1st round exit player before gasol got there without gasol the lakers are bottom dwellers, a 7th or 8th seed playoff team at best. and the celtics were rebuilt in 1 summer with only 2 trades. the assets they used to make the trades took all of 2 seasons of sucking to acquire. if they had gotten the number 1 pick for tanking they would have oden and not allen and they still wouldve won a ring.

take the blinders off... the entire league passed us by.
I sympathize with you my friend. I myself thought Petrie was intentionally messing up this team and had thought he had some hidden hatred of the Maloofs and was trying to sabotage the team. :p

But I have a very good news for you. Finally, the over-rated Petrie woke up and found his occasional luck on his moves again. He finally did what needs to be done. He picked the upcoming Superstar Evans over the over-hyped Rubio. He also finally is changing the image of the team from being a softie to somewhat toughie. :)

Now, there is more hope we could end up with our very own version of Dwane Wade ( or Kobe Bryant/Lebron James ) which is more essential in competing as a championship team. It was the best move in years and you should be glad he did not pick a Luke Ridnour talent ( as JR says Rubio will be ), and who obviously is less than Evans' talent. And just like what you were advocating, pair our Superstar Evans with the likes of a Shaq or Gasol, and I think we have a good chance of being a real contender in the years to come and not just a pretender again.:D
 
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mac, how can you just shrug off a championship like that. You say the celtics won a championship, wow wee??? That is some of the biggest nonsense I've ever heard in my life. You take a championship any way you can get it regardless if you're screwed for the next 5 years or so. I'd rather get a championhip and be screwed for a few years than to be like us with no rings and still be screwed. For even longer than 5 years.
 
mac, how can you just shrug off a championship like that. You say the celtics won a championship, wow wee??? That is some of the biggest nonsense I've ever heard in my life. You take a championship any way you can get it regardless if you're screwed for the next 5 years or so. I'd rather get a championhip and be screwed for a few years than to be like us with no rings and still be screwed. For even longer than 5 years.

Agreed, I think I didn't put my point across properly. What I meant was that trading away all your good youth (which kinda guarantees you competitiveness in the future) for superstar vets somewhat on the decline is a very very big gamble, and the window for winning a championship is extremely small, at the most 2 - max 3 years IMO. After which you're likely to end up having close to nothing for a very long time. As a fan, it would really suck to have your sort of guaranteed future traded away for a giant risk, and if that gamble doesn't pay off it would end up in a very very unenjoyable decade of team basketball...

Hope that clarifies my point a bit. Again, sorry for not making my stand clearer.
 
mac, how can you just shrug off a championship like that. You say the celtics won a championship, wow wee??? That is some of the biggest nonsense I've ever heard in my life. You take a championship any way you can get it regardless if you're screwed for the next 5 years or so. I'd rather get a championhip and be screwed for a few years than to be like us with no rings and still be screwed. For even longer than 5 years.

It would be an interesting poll to take. Would you be willing to put up with five or six years of sucking, if you could win a championship right now? I'm sure a lot of fans would say yes, considering how hard championships are to come by. But if your an owner, you might have a different opinion. Look at Utah. They haven't won a championship, but they've managed to stay competitive for the last 15 or so years. As a result, they pack the arena every game. Sure! The fans wish they could have won a championship, but their still happy, because their still good enough every year, that with just a little luck, they just might pull it off.

Its a hard call. Having a team thats competitive every year makes it fun for the fans. But would I sacrifice 15 years of fun, for one championship, and then the cellar. I don't know. As I said, its a hard call..
 
It would be an interesting poll to take. Would you be willing to put up with five or six years of sucking, if you could win a championship right now? ...

From a fan's perspective, yes. We are already putting up with 4 years of sucking w/o a title, so a couple more years couldn't hurt for the sake of a title.
 
There seems to be a lot of angst on this board.

A championship is a championship. As great and memorable as it would be to have a team that is known as a dynasty, the taste of that one championship in Sacramento would be all that I would ask for.
 
It would be an interesting poll to take. Would you be willing to put up with five or six years of sucking, if you could win a championship right now? I'm sure a lot of fans would say yes, considering how hard championships are to come by. But if your an owner, you might have a different opinion. Look at Utah. They haven't won a championship, but they've managed to stay competitive for the last 15 or so years. As a result, they pack the arena every game. Sure! The fans wish they could have won a championship, but their still happy, because their still good enough every year, that with just a little luck, they just might pull it off.

Its a hard call. Having a team thats competitive every year makes it fun for the fans. But would I sacrifice 15 years of fun, for one championship, and then the cellar. I don't know. As I said, its a hard call..

for a shot at winning a championship within the next 1-2 years i would gladly live with sucking for the next 5. we get a few draft picks and do it again.
 
But if your an owner, you might have a different opinion.

unless you are donald sterling. then you would be content with somehow having the 3rd most profitable franchise in the league (a franchise you paid $13M for), yet sucking for all of history and for all eternity.
 
There seems to be a lot of angst on this board.

A championship is a championship. As great and memorable as it would be to have a team that is known as a dynasty, the taste of that one championship in Sacramento would be all that I would ask for.


Not everybody agrees with that. I would much rather be in Utah's situation that how Boston won their championship. It feels bought. Again, everybody has an opinion, and there is no right way to feel. I was brough up to be loyal, value hard work and determination and all that jazz they feed you in little leauge, and that's just how I feel. I've followed the Kings since '99 so I might not have the longevity factor that many people here have, but I wouldn't want us to win one championship and then suck for x amount of years. The feeling is not the same. The sucktitude brought upon us the last 6-7 years was due to bad personel managing (Webb's injury taken out, of course) and nothing else. The economy has taken its toll the past year or so, but we sucked before that, and we will suck after that, unless management drafts better, plans better, and executes better.
 
Not everybody agrees with that. I would much rather be in Utah's situation that how Boston won their championship. It feels bought. Again, everybody has an opinion, and there is no right way to feel. I was brough up to be loyal, value hard work and determination and all that jazz they feed you in little leauge, and that's just how I feel. I've followed the Kings since '99 so I might not have the longevity factor that many people here have, but I wouldn't want us to win one championship and then suck for x amount of years. The feeling is not the same. The sucktitude brought upon us the last 6-7 years was due to bad personel managing (Webb's injury taken out, of course) and nothing else. The economy has taken its toll the past year or so, but we sucked before that, and we will suck after that, unless management drafts better, plans better, and executes better.
I think the idea of Boston buying a championship is sort of unfair. What they did was sell their future for a win now; the wheels on the big three are already starting to fall off and now Boston is left with the big three on the books until who knows. Comes down to this, though. Boston managed to win a title and humiliate the Lackers in the process... hard to argue with that.
 
It would be an interesting poll to take. Would you be willing to put up with five or six years of sucking, if you could win a championship right now?

The key word is, "could". Not "would". Boston threw down the dice bigtime on that trade, and they won one NBA championship. Then Garnett gets injured in Year 2. Now, Boston is on the downhill slide with I believe a less than 10% shot of getting an NBA championship next year. Boston could just as easily have had one of their Big 3 get injured in Year 1, especially given their respective ages. The lucky always look very smart, until they get unlucky. When Boston goes back to suckdom two years from now, Ainge won't be looking like a genius anymore...
 
that depends... i honestly believe that if kg were healthy that they wouldve beaten the magic and then the cavs.... they played great ball in their 2nd season together. they will play great ball this season in years 3, they have gotten better by signing wallace... not worse. its unfortunate that powe got injured, if he had stayed healthy the celtics couldve beaten the magic. their gamble paid off because it allowed the celtics to be competetive for at least 3-4 years. if they dont win another ring they will have crazy capspace to rebuild the team all over again. by that time rondo will be in his prime and ready to take over that team. who knows what kind of squad they will be able to put together with ray allens expiring contract or kg's expiring contract. the only true celtics will be pierce and rondo(kinda) they can and most likely will trade allen and kg once their usefullness is gone. i cant see why they would hang on to them. they are in a better position to rebuild once their big 3 goes down than we have been in or will ever be in. they are the boston celtics, it will happen again, they will find a way to rebuild and win another ring one day. there is a damn good chance that they will win another ring before the kings do...
 
Just a side note: It is funny a discussion about Kenny Thomas ends up being a discussion about NBA Championships.
 
Just a side note: It is funny a discussion about Kenny Thomas ends up being a discussion about NBA Championships.


I was just about to mention that. I have never seen a thread get so out of topic before. LOL

But then again Kenny Thomas and NBA Championships have alot to do with one another lol.
 
Because they don't have Kenny Thomas. :p


Do I sense a hint of sarcasm?

K-9 dosn't take too well with that!!!

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Wait! This computer is rigged I tell you.....RIGGED!

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how does Boston only have a "10%" chance of winning a championship next year?

Well, let's see...The Lakers are the defending champs, still have Kobe, still have Pau, and replaced Ariza with Artest. The Cavaliers still have LeBron and suddenly have Shaq. A lot of people think the Magic got better by essentially swapping out Hedo for Carter. And there's a lingering concern that Kevin Garnett may not be healthy.

If those four teams were the only teams in contention and they were on equal footing, the Celtics would have a 25% chance. Give a 20% chance to the field (Denver? Portland? San Antonio?) and that drops to 20% each. Then consider that the Celtics are probably the #3 or #4 team in that bunch, that there are two strong teams in their own conference and they might have to pass through both in the playoffs, and pull in the whole Garnett thing...10% doesn't sound like a horrible guess to me.
 
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