Players that I would target with the 9th pick:

bajaden

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I was on the Moody bandwagon but now warming up to Ziaire Williams.
I have read, who knows, Moody is not keen to be a King while Williams considers Tyrese a mentor.
I also understand Williams had a tough year as Stanford was heavily affected by covid considerations and there were family issues.
Yes, he’s thin and small frame but hope Monte and crew turn all stones.
I think Williams has a future in the league, but he's not ready to contribute right away. He had a terrible year at Stanford, and to be fair, there were a lot of extenuating circumstances. He had two family members die. Stanford couldn't play any of their games at home. The players lived out of motels for the most part. The teams didn't get the usual amount of preparation time prior to the start of the season. So one as to take that into consideration. Moody, right now is a much better player, and more ready to contribute immediately. Not to mention that Moody is still 18 years old and is one of the youngest players in the draft.

That said, my gut is telling me that Moody will be gone before we have a chance at him. I hope not, but I'll be surprised if he's there.
 
Williams has upside but physically, oof, looks like and plays like a SG. He's very similar to Justin Jackson IMO. More talented for sure though.
I appreciate the reply however I don’t see Justin Jackson in Williams. I was bummed from the moment Kings traded down and picked JJ at 15. Thought the college championship made for fools gold.
This is going to be so interesting how Monte plays this out as outside the top 6 consensus this draft is all over the place. Williams plays a position of need and seems like there should be good chemistry with our backcourt.
If there was a trade with the Pels which included Buddy for the 10th then who/how he fills 9 and 10 will be huge. Can’t wait.
 

bajaden

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I believe Mobley, Cunningham, Suggs, Green, and Barnes will all be gone by the 9th pick. For me, that means at least one of these four guys will be available:

Jalen Johnson
Alperen Sengun
James Bouknight
Franz Wagner
Jonathan Kuminga

And I think that's the order I have them ranked as targets.

All of them have warts which is why they likely won't go top 5.

Johnson needs to improve his outside shooting, be more productive in the half court, and has some flexibility/lateral movement issues as well as concerns about his toughness and of course leaving Duke midseason.

Sengun has major questions about his actual height and wingspan. Is he big enough to play center against NBA bigs? If not, who does he guard at the 4? Also, can he develop a consistent outside shot to extend his effective range?

Bouknight currently offers very little as a secondary creator and has issues of tunnel vision and poor off ball defensive instincts. Can he become more than a microwave scorer? Will he be able to hit the three consistently in the NBA? Will he get eaten up on switches where he has to guard bigger wings?

Wagner needs to show that he can add the consistent 3 to be a 3&D guy. Ideally he'll rework his shot mechanics in the NBA to speed up his motion and be more consistent. He should also spend a lot of time working on driving and finishing with his left. Also, is he a three or a four? In today's NBA that only matters in terms of who you can guard. Is he quick enough to guard quicker wings and/or is he strong enough to handle bigger wings? Is he a high floor/low ceiling player?

Kuminga needs to show that he can play on either end of the floor. He was a poor shooter and was often out of position on defense. Right now is he anything more than a bet on upside?

On the other hand, each has significant strengths.

Johnson is a big playmaker which is one of the most valuable archetypes in today's NBA. His defense was a welcome suprise. He battled bigs like Kofi Cockburn and acquitted himself decently while also being able to guard most wings and provide good help defense. Workouts and interviews will probably be more key for him than anyone else on this list. If he shows well in both he could be a very good pick at #9.

Sengun put up huge numbers in a grown man's league on his way to MVP. His footwork is probably going to be top 5 in the NBA on day 1 and he's shown good playmaking and offensive rebounding as well. I was concerned about his defense until I realized that even if he starts at the 4, he'll likely be an improvement on offense AND defense from Bagley while offering significantly more toughness, better screens, and I think ultimately better outside shooting. His inside game is a nice compliment to Fox and Hali and if he is manning the five spot with two shooters on the wings that's not a bad offensive attack.

Bouknight is probably the second best three level scorer prospect in this draft after Jalen Green. His shot creation is fantastic and his hesitation is already elite. He's quick, sneaky athletic and gives a ton of effort on D. He's a poor fit with the current Kings roster, but if he's the pick you find a taker for Buddy and try to find enough minutes for Fox, Hali, and Bouknight.

Wagner is exactly what this Kings team needs on defense. And on offense he makes the right read and moves the ball or attacks quickly. He may not be a star but he's a guy that helps the team right away and fills a need. And maybe it's wishful thinking but some of the talk about Haliburton before the draft was that (a) his shot may not translate and (b) he may just be a high level role player. Well, if lightning struck twice you could have two very good fits next to Fox that outperform their draft slot.

Kuminga has elite physical tools and the potential to be a 2 way monster. He's also shown more playmaking than I thought he was capable of. But he's last on my list because while he may have the highest upside of the five I also think he has the highest bust potential and at this point the Kings can't afford to have another lottery pick not pan out. That said, I think his peak upside is as a bigger, slightly better Jaylen Brown which is the kind of player the Kings need. He's an enticing gamble, but I'd almost prefer if he was gone by #9 so McNair & co don't have that dilemma.

Of course if Barnes dropped I think the Kings have to grab him. But I don't see that. Suggs? Maybe, but I don't know that he gets past both of Orlando's picks or the Warriors at #7.

So that's my list.
Really surprised that you don't have Moody in that group. I would take him over everyone in that group except maybe Johnson. Sengun scares me to death. There aren't a lot of successful starting 6'9" centers in the league unless they're freak athlete's, which he is not. I've yet to hear anyone say that he's absolutely 6'11". It's more like hoping he's that tall. I'm sure the Kings will put a tape on him if they work him out. I like Bouknight a lot as well as Wagner. I want to believe in Kuminga. As you say, he comes with all the tools, so if I was going to bet on upside alone, he would be my guy.
 

funkykingston

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Really surprised that you don't have Moody in that group. I would take him over everyone in that group except maybe Johnson. Sengun scares me to death. There aren't a lot of successful starting 6'9" centers in the league unless they're freak athlete's, which he is not. I've yet to hear anyone say that he's absolutely 6'11". It's more like hoping he's that tall. I'm sure the Kings will put a tape on him if they work him out. I like Bouknight a lot as well as Wagner. I want to believe in Kuminga. As you say, he comes with all the tools, so if I was going to bet on upside alone, he would be my guy.
Moody would be my next player. I'd even consider him over Kuminga because the Kings need a solid single or double vs a strikeout swing looking for a homerun.

Sengun is listed at 6'9" which makes me believe he's 6'9" barefoot as you don't see as much inflation with player's metrics in the Turkish League. That makes him a 6'11" NBA player. I also wonder about his wingspan. As I said, that's a big part of the evaluation. But if he's essentially Kevin Love/Domantas Sabonis size with potentially more production and a greater skill level, is that worth the #9 pick? Hard to say it isn't, depending on who else is there.

Wagner's best fit might actually be the Spurs. He's fit in well with Pop and Chip Engelland could rebuild his shot over time. I like him more than most, but he's going to need some development and the current Kings coaching staff might not be the best for that.

Some guys I don't have on my list, and who I'm not keen on the Kings drafting are Davion Mitchell, Josh Giddey, Keon Johnson, and Kai Jones. Giddey has size and playmaking so he could be a success in the NBA but his shooting and defensive woes concern me. Could he be similar to LaMelo Ball? Sure, but I think he's likely more like a bigger Ricky Rubio with worse defense. We'll see. I can only go by my eyes, the stats, and my gut. And I've certainly been wrong in the past.
 
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I believe Mobley, Cunningham, Suggs, Green, and Barnes will all be gone by the 9th pick. For me, that means at least one of these four guys will be available:

Jalen Johnson
Alperen Sengun
James Bouknight
Franz Wagner
Jonathan Kuminga

And I think that's the order I have them ranked as targets.

All of them have warts which is why they likely won't go top 5.

Johnson needs to improve his outside shooting, be more productive in the half court, and has some flexibility/lateral movement issues as well as concerns about his toughness and of course leaving Duke midseason.

Sengun has major questions about his actual height and wingspan. Is he big enough to play center against NBA bigs? If not, who does he guard at the 4? Also, can he develop a consistent outside shot to extend his effective range?

Bouknight currently offers very little as a secondary creator and has issues of tunnel vision and poor off ball defensive instincts. Can he become more than a microwave scorer? Will he be able to hit the three consistently in the NBA? Will he get eaten up on switches where he has to guard bigger wings?

Wagner needs to show that he can add the consistent 3 to be a 3&D guy. Ideally he'll rework his shot mechanics in the NBA to speed up his motion and be more consistent. He should also spend a lot of time working on driving and finishing with his left. Also, is he a three or a four? In today's NBA that only matters in terms of who you can guard. Is he quick enough to guard quicker wings and/or is he strong enough to handle bigger wings? Is he a high floor/low ceiling player?

Kuminga needs to show that he can play on either end of the floor. He was a poor shooter and was often out of position on defense. Right now is he anything more than a bet on upside?

On the other hand, each has significant strengths.

Johnson is a big playmaker which is one of the most valuable archetypes in today's NBA. His defense was a welcome suprise. He battled bigs like Kofi Cockburn and acquitted himself decently while also being able to guard most wings and provide good help defense. Workouts and interviews will probably be more key for him than anyone else on this list. If he shows well in both he could be a very good pick at #9.

Sengun put up huge numbers in a grown man's league on his way to MVP. His footwork is probably going to be top 5 in the NBA on day 1 and he's shown good playmaking and offensive rebounding as well. I was concerned about his defense until I realized that even if he starts at the 4, he'll likely be an improvement on offense AND defense from Bagley while offering significantly more toughness, better screens, and I think ultimately better outside shooting. His inside game is a nice compliment to Fox and Hali and if he is manning the five spot with two shooters on the wings that's not a bad offensive attack.

Bouknight is probably the second best three level scorer prospect in this draft after Jalen Green. His shot creation is fantastic and his hesitation is already elite. He's quick, sneaky athletic and gives a ton of effort on D. He's a poor fit with the current Kings roster, but if he's the pick you find a taker for Buddy and try to find enough minutes for Fox, Hali, and Bouknight.

Wagner is exactly what this Kings team needs on defense. And on offense he makes the right read and moves the ball or attacks quickly. He may not be a star but he's a guy that helps the team right away and fills a need. And maybe it's wishful thinking but some of the talk about Haliburton before the draft was that (a) his shot may not translate and (b) he may just be a high level role player. Well, if lightning struck twice you could have two very good fits next to Fox that outperform their draft slot.

Kuminga has elite physical tools and the potential to be a 2 way monster. He's also shown more playmaking than I thought he was capable of. But he's last on my list because while he may have the highest upside of the five I also think he has the highest bust potential and at this point the Kings can't afford to have another lottery pick not pan out. That said, I think his peak upside is as a bigger, slightly better Jaylen Brown which is the kind of player the Kings need. He's an enticing gamble, but I'd almost prefer if he was gone by #9 so McNair & co don't have that dilemma.

Of course if Barnes dropped I think the Kings have to grab him. But I don't see that. Suggs? Maybe, but I don't know that he gets past both of Orlando's picks or the Warriors at #7.

So that's my list.
I would have Moses Moody in there instead of Sengun.
 

bajaden

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Moody would be my next player. I'd even consider him over Kuminga because the Kings need a solid single or double vs a strikeout swing looking for a homerun.

Sengun is listed at 6'9" which makes me believe he's 6'9" barefoot as you don't see as much inflation with player's metrics in the Turkish League. That makes him a 6'11" NBA player. I also wonder about his wingspan. As I said, that's a big part of the evaluation. But if he's essentially Kevin Love/Domantas Sabonis size with potentially more production and a greater skill level, is that worth the #9 pick? Hard to say it isn't, depending on who else is there.

Wagner's best fit might actually be the Spurs. He's fit in well with Pop and Chip Engelland could rebuild his shot over time. I like him more than most, but he's going to need some development and the current Kings coaching staff might not be the best for that.

Some guys I don't have on my list, and who I'm not keen on the Kings drafting are Davion Mitchell, Josh Giddey, Keon Johnson, and Kai Jones. Giddey has size and playmaking so he could be a success in the NBA but his shooting and defensive woes concern me. Could he be similar to LaMelo Ball? Sure, but I think he's likely more like a bigger Ricky Rubio with worse defense. We'll see. I can only go by my eyes, the stats, and my gut. And I've certainly been wrong in the past.
I can appreciate your concerns about Mitchell, Giddey, and Johnson. I have similar concerns, but I really like Kai Jones. He has a lot of upside. I didn't like how he was used at Texas at times, and his biggest on court problem was fouling. It kept him on the bench far too often. He's a very aggressive player with a great motor. This may be a bit of a reach, but I think he has star potential. Some would say the same about Johnson, but Jones fundamentals are better than Johnsons. Jones handles the ball like a guard. His jumpshot is better than Johnsons. All he needs to do is get stronger, and control his aggressiveness, and he could be one of the best players out of this draft.
 

bajaden

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Moody would be my next player. I'd even consider him over Kuminga because the Kings need a solid single or double vs a strikeout swing looking for a homerun.

Sengun is listed at 6'9" which makes me believe he's 6'9" barefoot as you don't see as much inflation with player's metrics in the Turkish League. That makes him a 6'11" NBA player. I also wonder about his wingspan. As I said, that's a big part of the evaluation. But if he's essentially Kevin Love/Domantas Sabonis size with potentially more production and a greater skill level, is that worth the #9 pick? Hard to say it isn't, depending on who else is there.

Wagner's best fit might actually be the Spurs. He's fit in well with Pop and Chip Engelland could rebuild his shot over time. I like him more than most, but he's going to need some development and the current Kings coaching staff might not be the best for that.

Some guys I don't have on my list, and who I'm not keen on the Kings drafting are Davion Mitchell, Josh Giddey, Keon Johnson, and Kai Jones. Giddey has size and playmaking so he could be a success in the NBA but his shooting and defensive woes concern me. Could he be similar to LaMelo Ball? Sure, but I think he's likely more like a bigger Ricky Rubio with worse defense. We'll see. I can only go by my eyes, the stats, and my gut. And I've certainly been wrong in the past.
Moody is the prototype team player. He'll do what you ask him to do. He didn't have much help at Arkansas. He played three positions, and was the go to guy far too often. Every teams defense was set to stop him. I know for a fact that he's 6'6" and has a 7'1" wingspan. I know that he has the same standing reach at 8'9" that Zion Williamson has while standing 6'9". I know he can play both ends of the floor, and I know he's one of the youngest players in the draft. I don't know any of that for fact about Sengun. I also don't have a clue how good Sengun will be defensively. I've watched a lot of film on him, and always appears to be a little heavy footed on the defensive side of the ball.

Sengun may turn out to be as advertised and I hope he does for his sake, but I'm not willing to gamble on him right now. This draft is too important to be shooting arrows in the air and hoping they find a target. I'll admit that I'm biased. Moody is my favorite player in the entire draft, that might be available to us. doesn't mean he'll be the best player, but he's going to be a very good player, and maybe a borderline star.
 
Moody is the prototype team player. He'll do what you ask him to do. He didn't have much help at Arkansas. He played three positions, and was the go to guy far too often. Every teams defense was set to stop him. I know for a fact that he's 6'6" and has a 7'1" wingspan. I know that he has the same standing reach at 8'9" that Zion Williamson has while standing 6'9". I know he can play both ends of the floor, and I know he's one of the youngest players in the draft. I don't know any of that for fact about Sengun. I also don't have a clue how good Sengun will be defensively. I've watched a lot of film on him, and always appears to be a little heavy footed on the defensive side of the ball.

Sengun may turn out to be as advertised and I hope he does for his sake, but I'm not willing to gamble on him right now. This draft is too important to be shooting arrows in the air and hoping they find a target. I'll admit that I'm biased. Moody is my favorite player in the entire draft, that might be available to us. doesn't mean he'll be the best player, but he's going to be a very good player, and maybe a borderline star.
If we’re on the board and Moody isn’t available and we are looking at a couple different less than stellar options at 9 how would you feel about a trade with OKC that could bring us 16 and 18? Kispert, Kai Jones, Usman Garuba, Zaire Williams, Franz Wagner, Jalen Johnson all in this range and you can take your shot at two prospects instead of 1
 

funkykingston

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I can appreciate your concerns about Mitchell, Giddey, and Johnson. I have similar concerns, but I really like Kai Jones. He has a lot of upside. I didn't like how he was used at Texas at times, and his biggest on court problem was fouling. It kept him on the bench far too often. He's a very aggressive player with a great motor. This may be a bit of a reach, but I think he has star potential. Some would say the same about Johnson, but Jones fundamentals are better than Johnsons. Jones handles the ball like a guard. His jumpshot is better than Johnsons. All he needs to do is get stronger, and control his aggressiveness, and he could be one of the best players out of this draft.
I like Kai Jones' athleticism, shooting potential, and the idea that he's a big who can be switchable on the perimeter.

But while his shooting mechanics look good his 3P% was on a small sample size and his FT% wasn't great. Also, for such a long and athletic kid, he didn't block or alter that many shots when I watched him. He also doesn't have any post moves (not a deal breaker in today's NBA I guess) and lacks great hands, which concerns me. But my biggest issue with Jones is whether he'll be able to gain the size and strength to be the lone big man on the floor. If it turns out that he can't and has to play PF then you have the same issue as with Bagley and potentially Sengun depending on how big he actually is - that you often have to play them next to another big which isn't generally a recipe for success with the way the league has shifted.
 

funkykingston

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Moody is the prototype team player. He'll do what you ask him to do. He didn't have much help at Arkansas. He played three positions, and was the go to guy far too often. Every teams defense was set to stop him. I know for a fact that he's 6'6" and has a 7'1" wingspan. I know that he has the same standing reach at 8'9" that Zion Williamson has while standing 6'9". I know he can play both ends of the floor, and I know he's one of the youngest players in the draft. I don't know any of that for fact about Sengun. I also don't have a clue how good Sengun will be defensively. I've watched a lot of film on him, and always appears to be a little heavy footed on the defensive side of the ball.

Sengun may turn out to be as advertised and I hope he does for his sake, but I'm not willing to gamble on him right now. This draft is too important to be shooting arrows in the air and hoping they find a target. I'll admit that I'm biased. Moody is my favorite player in the entire draft, that might be available to us. doesn't mean he'll be the best player, but he's going to be a very good player, and maybe a borderline star.
If you told me I had to make the pick for the Kings with just the knowledge I have now, I couldn't in good conscience take Sengun. I don't know how big he actually is. But that's why there's a predraft process. McNair & his team will need to do their due diligence on him. How big is he? Can he man the 5 spot or is he a throwback PF? Has he been working on his outside shot? Can he gain quickness with an NBA conditioning program?

The Kings front office won't be able to definitely answer all of those questions, but they should get enough info to make an informed decision so that it isn't just "shooting arrows in the air", something I'd also consider drafting Kai Jones to be a bit of.

I like Moody. He and Wagner are often painted as the high floor, low ceiling guys that could be available when the Kings pick but I think Moody has a significantly higher floor and very possibly a lower ceiling. He should be a good roleplayer right away and is the kind of 3&D wing all NBA teams can use. He doesn't have a lot of wiggle and isn't a great ballhandler and I think that caps his ceiling (at least for now) especially since he doesn't have the lightning quick release of a Klay Thompson etc to become a leading scorer or star as an off ball, movement shooter.

One interesting thing is that Wagner is actually nearly 3 months younger than Moody despite 2 years of college ball and lots of international experience. He has a lot more holes in his game (he struggles to drive or finish with his left, he may be a bit of a tweener defensively, his shot is very slow and he doesn't shoot the three with a great percentage etc) but he potentially offers more switchability, more shot creation in the half court, and more pick and roll potential as either the ballhandler or the roll man.

There will be a very good future NBA player available at #9. It's just a matter of whether the Kings correctly identify who that player or players are.
 
If you told me I had to make the pick for the Kings with just the knowledge I have now, I couldn't in good conscience take Sengun. I don't know how big he actually is. But that's why there's a predraft process. McNair & his team will need to do their due diligence on him. How big is he? Can he man the 5 spot or is he a throwback PF? Has he been working on his outside shot? Can he gain quickness with an NBA conditioning program?

The Kings front office won't be able to definitely answer all of those questions, but they should get enough info to make an informed decision so that it isn't just "shooting arrows in the air", something I'd also consider drafting Kai Jones to be a bit of.

I like Moody. He and Wagner are often painted as the high floor, low ceiling guys that could be available when the Kings pick but I think Moody has a significantly higher floor and very possibly a lower ceiling. He should be a good roleplayer right away and is the kind of 3&D wing all NBA teams can use. He doesn't have a lot of wiggle and isn't a great ballhandler and I think that caps his ceiling (at least for now) especially since he doesn't have the lightning quick release of a Klay Thompson etc to become a leading scorer or star as an off ball, movement shooter.

One interesting thing is that Wagner is actually nearly 3 months younger than Moody despite 2 years of college ball and lots of international experience. He has a lot more holes in his game (he struggles to drive or finish with his left, he may be a bit of a tweener defensively, his shot is very slow and he doesn't shoot the three with a great percentage etc) but he potentially offers more switchability, more shot creation in the half court, and more pick and roll potential as either the ballhandler or the roll man.

There will be a very good future NBA player available at #9. It's just a matter of whether the Kings correctly identify who that player or players are.
I think Wagner fills the specific needs the Kings have better than Moody does but it looks to me like Moody has the makings of being a much better overall player while still being able to fill needs. He's more 2-3 switchable on defense where Wagner is 3-4 so Wagner wins there by filling more of a team need.

Wagner is pretty impressive on defense on some of his tape but some of his other tape makes me wonder if he's going to get blown by in the NBA when he feels that step up in competition. I just have a feeling he's going to look slow and out of position in the NBA, despite looking good in college.

I can envision Moody being an early career Victor Oladipo type. Less handles, bit better defense, solid scoring.

Wanger seems like he can help out in a more direct way by filling the hole at the 3-4 and with his bball IQ and passing but Moody can also help the terrible perimeter defense and in a more indirect way by getting to the line at a high clip to put points on the board the easy way.
 
I like Kai Jones' athleticism, shooting potential, and the idea that he's a big who can be switchable on the perimeter.

But while his shooting mechanics look good his 3P% was on a small sample size and his FT% wasn't great. Also, for such a long and athletic kid, he didn't block or alter that many shots when I watched him. He also doesn't have any post moves (not a deal breaker in today's NBA I guess) and lacks great hands, which concerns me. But my biggest issue with Jones is whether he'll be able to gain the size and strength to be the lone big man on the floor. If it turns out that he can't and has to play PF then you have the same issue as with Bagley and potentially Sengun depending on how big he actually is - that you often have to play them next to another big which isn't generally a recipe for success with the way the league has shifted.
At the combine, Kai Jones measured 6'10 w/o shoes, 6'11.5 w/shoes, had a 9'2.5 standing reach & a 7'1.75 wingspan.
 
Moody really gives me John Salmons vibes. Solid all around, not particularly athletic. Similar size and skillset. That's not necessarily a criticism, as Salmons was solid in his prime. Hopefully he can surpass that if he is the pick, but something about him just worries me. He doesn't do anything really well. He is only 18 and has a good foundation, so maybe I'm being pessimistic on him. I can't put my finger on it.
 

funkykingston

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At the combine, Kai Jones measured 6'10 w/o shoes, 6'11.5 w/shoes, had a 9'2.5 standing reach & a 7'1.75 wingspan.
He has the height and length. The issues are that (1) he's not very strong currently and I don't know of his frame will support him gaining a significant amount of muscle and (2) at least when I watch him he looks more like a big wing defender than a rim protecting/rebounding big man.
 
I appreciate the reply however I don’t see Justin Jackson in Williams. I was bummed from the moment Kings traded down and picked JJ at 15. Thought the college championship made for fools gold.
This is going to be so interesting how Monte plays this out as outside the top 6 consensus this draft is all over the place. Williams plays a position of need and seems like there should be good chemistry with our backcourt.
If there was a trade with the Pels which included Buddy for the 10th then who/how he fills 9 and 10 will be huge. Can’t wait.
I think some of the same issues in terms of physical development impeding his ability to be a true SF will exist like they do for JJ. Both are largely finesse huge SG's, but as I said, Williams looks to have a higher upside offensively.
 
I recon Bouknight and Moody will both be real good.
It’s beginning to look like Bouknight will be off the board first, I don’t think he’ll drop to 9 but who knows. I would be more keen to select him if Monte pulled the trade with the Pels, Buddy for the 10th and pieces, giving us a shot at position of greater need as well.