Phoenix game Post-Game discussion

[AriesMar27]

<sigh>

Ok, you win, I told them each and every one, "Congratulations for losing guys. Thats what we want to see. Losers."

you said....

Nary a word about how well Evans did, but you can bet your bottom dollar if he didn't do well you'd be all over him.

then i went on my rant about how the team sucked and didnt want to congratulate players for losing... you were the one talking about how well evans played, my arguement(besides the pg issue) was that they lost, i dont care how well they played in a losing effort. it wasnt good enough to win so i dont care. thats how all of this happened..... im not goona sit here and talk about how good our loss was last night. thats all... chill out. live and let criticize...

 

[Chupacabra]

because i am a kings fan, its what we do...

just because you are okay with watching your team lose doesnt mean that i do too... are they better than they were last year? yes, martin not being injured alone makes them a better team, though garcia is now out for 4 months. but losing is still losing and i dont like to watch my team lose. if they are losing then they havent progressed far enough... how many posters here have been saying that it will take 2-3 years?. they have been saying it since petrie drafted douby... or traded webber depending on who you ask.... and now everyone is saying 2-3 years... its going on 5 years and the team still sucks, 2 years from now the team will probably still suck.

in the past 2 seasons this team has won a grand total 55 games... i am not going to be doing any back-flips over a rookie unless he is lebron james.... who oddly enough wasnt a pg either... but played one as a rookie.

Much like yourself im also not ok with watching the Kings lose. However, i understand that going from a bad team to a good team isnt something that happens overnight. When any team makes any improvement its always a good reason for the fans to get excited.

 

[AriesMar27]

Much like yourself im also not ok with watching the Kings lose. However, i understand that going from a bad team to a good team isnt something that happens overnight. When any team makes any improvement its always a good reason for the fans to get excited.

once the season starts i will be a little less harsh on the players... because opposing teams will be playing them a lot harder and we arent that good of a team. evans having a 8 assist night will be worth talking about during the regular season.

 

[Kingsguy881]

you said....



then i went on my rant about how the team sucked and didnt want to congratulate players for losing... you were the one talking about how well evans played, my arguement(besides the pg issue) was that they lost, i dont care how well they played in a losing effort. it wasnt good enough to win so i dont care. thats how all of this happened..... im not goona sit here and talk about how good our loss was last night. thats all... chill out. live and let criticize...

I just want you to give credit where its due and look at the glass and realize its half full of beer, not air (or look at the pipe and see that there is still some green left).

 

[rainmaker]

once the season starts i will be a little less harsh on the players... because opposing teams will be playing them a lot harder and we arent that good of a team. evans having a 8 assist night will be worth talking about during the regular season.

You're going to be less harsh on a group of young nba guys, with a new coaching staff and system, who have only been together for 3 weeks, when the season starts? You seriously think now is the best time to be harsh on this team?
I would think EVERYONE else who actually understands rebuilding, and the time it takes to rebuild, would be far less harsh during a preseason game with replacement refs, compared to games in march when the team has actually had a chance to gel.

It makes no sense at all to scream bloody murder during the preseason, and then relax during the regular season. No sense at all.

 

[mac]

It's funny how in every season, every year there just HAS to be one poster who comes across to me (note TO ME, personal opinion) as a total dufus. There was ty****, fake****** and now a new annoyance

Can't wait for regular season, for one the games are broadcasted.

 

[AriesMar27]

You're going to be less harsh on a group of young nba guys, with a new coaching staff and system, who have only been together for 3 weeks, when the season starts? You seriously think now is the best time to be harsh on this team?
I would think EVERYONE else who actually understands rebuilding, and the time it takes to rebuild, would be far less harsh during a preseason game with replacement refs, compared to games in march when the team has actually had a chance to gel.

It makes no sense at all to scream bloody murder during the preseason, and then relax during the regular season. No sense at all.

im not screaming bloody murder...

im screaming that...

we dont have a back up center...

our starting center is a wuss who is scared of playing in the post even against weak defensive teams....

evans isnt a pg, not that he is a bad player just not a pg. we will need one later on.

petrie is an idiot... which he has been since the day he signed peeler to a 2yr deal the year before the expansion draft. im not even going to mention passing up on he who shall remain nameless...

and i scream about how bad this team is, which is a valid reason to scream bloody hell... i dont want my team to suck and i am more than willing to give up some of our young pieces for a chance to be a competitive team again. though most of you wouldnt, i would. and rightfully so, i want the kings in the playoffs competing for a ring not the number 1 draft pick.

rebuilding doesnt have to take half of a decade. our rebuild will last longer than our glory days... hell so far it has... 00-01 to 03-04 were the seasons where we were competitive, or at least made it to the 2nd round... lets say that the rebuild started in 2006, the minute peja was traded we were no longer the old kings... we were a newly remodeled kings team with bibby being the only holdover from our 2001-02 team. its been 4 years and we can all agree that we will be continuing to rebuild the team for the next year or 2. that would be 6 years before we are competitive(2nd round of the playoffs minimum) thats a long wait. how many coaches will we go through by then? has this team been over .500 since adelman was the coach? at any point in the regular season? i dont think so because we lose our first game every year.

the last time that this team was over .500 was 12/02/2006... we were 8-7, mussellman was the coach. we havent been a winning team since december 2006..... wow....

 

[AriesMar27]

I just want you to give credit where its due and look at the glass and realize its half full of beer, not air (or look at the pipe and see that there is still some green left).

i did, during and after the laker game... if the kings lose a close game and evans plays well i have no problem saying that he played a good game. but when he plays well in a game where the kings lose by 16 and the opposing team score 143 points in regualtion you get no love. like i said, half of our team could have triple doubles and they would get no love for losing like that.

 

[bajaden]

I'm not even going to get into any analysis of this game. First, I didn't see it. Second from the games I have watched the refs were beyond horrible and it's pretty pointless to make any judgements on any of their calls or non calls. To me the preseaon has been pretty much a waste with these refs.

No argument from me...

 

[bajaden]

thats unfair to the suns if you eliminate the fouls and freethrows. how many shots were missed because thompson or martin fouled someone? how many dunks or layups were missed due to legitimate fouls? i know there were a lot of bad calls, the replacement refs have been horrible. but there were some real fouls committed in the game.

my only beef with the whole loss issue was the score... 143 points is a lot of points, preseason or not... if you are fouling that much you would think that it would at least slow down the tempo of the game yet they still scored 143 points.

Ha Ha, OK dude. I'm not going to get into how unfair the foul calling may have been. But when you consider how many people were upset about the calls in the WCC game with the Lakers, and how disproportionate they were. Well consider this. Last night was worse. To be honest, I don't really care. Its a preseason game. You see dude, you generalize. Everythings either absolutely horrible or its absolutely great. There's no middle ground with you. There's no realization that the Kings are a young rebuilding team and most of us expect what we saw last night.

Of course we hope to be surprised, but were not shocked by the outcome. You act like an atomic bomb just went off. You post negatives like your enlightening everyone with something they didn't know. Were not the Lakers. Won't be for some time, if ever. I know its hard living down there in Laker land and having all your friends be Laker fans. I don't doubt your loyality. I just think you need to temper your expectations.

Your right in that last years team was a bad team. The record speaks for itself. I think this years team is better than last years team. Just not in the immediate. There's some talent on this team. Its just going to take time. Maybe a couple of years to be taken seriously. See I don't get anymore excited about Thompson having a 20/20 night with 2 personal fouls than I do with what he did last night. Because I expect it. Its called growing pains. Its going to happen. He's not suddenly a superstar with the 20/20, and he's not suddenly a bum with 4 rebounds and a foul out. Just have a cervesa and chill!

 

[Section 101]

my only beef with the whole loss issue was the score... 143 points is a lot of points, preseason or not... if you are fouling that much you would think that it would at least slow down the tempo of the game yet they still scored 143 points.

Actually fouls help keep the pace. They get to rest during the FT's.

 

[AriesMar27]

Ha Ha, OK dude. I'm not going to get into how unfair the foul calling may have been. But when you consider how many people were upset about the calls in the WCC game with the Lakers, and how disproportionate they were. Well consider this. Last night was worse. To be honest, I don't really care. Its a preseason game. You see dude, you generalize. Everythings either absolutely horrible or its absolutely great. There's no middle ground with you. There's no realization that the Kings are a young rebuilding team and most of us expect what we saw last night.

Of course we hope to be surprised, but were not shocked by the outcome. You act like an atomic bomb just went off. You post negatives like your enlightening everyone with something they didn't know. Were not the Lakers. Won't be for some time, if ever. I know its hard living down there in Laker land and having all your friends be Laker fans. I don't doubt your loyality. I just think you need to temper your expectations.

Your right in that last years team was a bad team. The record speaks for itself. I think this years team is better than last years team. Just not in the immediate. There's some talent on this team. Its just going to take time. Maybe a couple of years to be taken seriously. See I don't get anymore excited about Thompson having a 20/20 night with 2 personal fouls than I do with what he did last night. Because I expect it. Its called growing pains. Its going to happen. He's not suddenly a superstar with the 20/20, and he's not suddenly a bum with 4 rebounds and a foul out. Just have a cervesa and chill!

i agree with you but its just the score that pissed me off... but 143 points is a lot of points. i really havent said anything remotely negative about the team this preseason until yesterdays game. i dont mind losing if the team is competitive. losing by 5 points hurts but its encouraging to know that the team almost won. padding stats in a blowout gets on my nerves. i dont care how well someone plays in such a bad game.

ive been equally critical of the entire team so far... whether its martin missing freethrows against the lakers or hawes being afraid of playing in the post to turnovers to whatever... it isnt about any one player. i think that this team will win more games than last season, i honestly believe they will at least double the total number of wins. 34 wins is possible for this team.

if you think about it im like this every season... didnt i spend an entire offseason arguing with you about whether or not eric dampier had intangibles that didnt show up on the stat sheet? it happens, its just unfortunate for me that the team i want the kings to be and the team that the kings actually are, arent the same team. same jerseys, same city, same owners, gm and arena but the team.... man...

 

[AriesMar27]

Actually fouls help keep the pace. They get to rest during the FT's.

thats true, they do get breathers.... but it also gives the kings time to set up their defense, well... if thats what they want to call it.

 

[bajaden]

im not screaming bloody murder...

im screaming that...

we dont have a back up center...

our starting center is a wuss who is scared of playing in the post even against weak defensive teams....

evans isnt a pg, not that he is a bad player just not a pg. we will need one later on.

petrie is an idiot... which he has been since the day he signed peeler to a 2yr deal the year before the expansion draft. im not even going to mention passing up on he who shall remain nameless...

and i scream about how bad this team is, which is a valid reason to scream bloody hell... i dont want my team to suck and i am more than willing to give up some of our young pieces for a chance to be a competitive team again. though most of you wouldnt, i would. and rightfully so, i want the kings in the playoffs competing for a ring not the number 1 draft pick.

rebuilding doesnt have to take half of a decade. our rebuild will last longer than our glory days... hell so far it has... 00-01 to 03-04 were the seasons where we were competitive, or at least made it to the 2nd round... lets say that the rebuild started in 2006, the minute peja was traded we were no longer the old kings... we were a newly remodeled kings team with bibby being the only holdover from our 2001-02 team. its been 4 years and we can all agree that we will be continuing to rebuild the team for the next year or 2. that would be 6 years before we are competitive(2nd round of the playoffs minimum) thats a long wait. how many coaches will we go through by then? has this team been over .500 since adelman was the coach? at any point in the regular season? i dont think so because we lose our first game every year.

the last time that this team was over .500 was 12/02/2006... we were 8-7, mussellman was the coach. we havent been a winning team since december 2006..... wow....

My friend. We are living in the now and not in the past. Confucis say, " He who lives in past, has no future". Explain to me how bringing up every negative thing you can think of about the Kings from yesteryear, will change anything now. Are you type of person that constantly reminds someone of every mistake he or she every made on a constant basis. When I owned my own business, and someone made a mistake. I let them know. Sometimes I was angry. But after that I never brought it up again. It was history. You can't go back and change it. No matter how many times you want to relive it.

By the way. Petrie is not an idiot. He graduated from Princeton. No mean feat I might add. He may have made what you consider an idiotic decision, But that doesn't make him an idiot.

 

[AriesMar27]

My friend. We are living in the now and not in the past. Confucis say, " He who lives in past, has no future". Explain to me how bringing up every negative thing you can think of about the Kings from yesteryear, will change anything now. Are you type of person that constantly reminds someone of every mistake he or she every made on a constant basis. When I owned my own business, and someone made a mistake. I let them know. Sometimes I was angry. But after that I never brought it up again. It was history. You can't go back and change it. No matter how many times you want to relive it.

By the way. Petrie is not an idiot. He graduated from Princeton. No mean feat I might add. He may have made what you consider an idiotic decision, But that doesn't make him an idiot.

the past is the past but it goes with you where ever you go... ask any felon; and didnt our last president graduate from yale and harvard? im just saying....

 

[Bricklayer]

143 pts is ridiculous if they call you for 100 fouls. Sorry. I call bull hookie. Especially in light of the fact that we reached those kind of embarrassing heights several times last year on a way to a league-worst defensive performance. Be different if we were the Cavs or somebody, then you shrug and say aberration. As it was...the only way this upcomign season turns out as badly as this past season is if we bring the same defensive "effort". Offense isn't even relative at this point.

 

[bloom]

I can’t wait to see Tyreke in action. I keep hearing how much of a beast this kid is and he just pumps me up. I can’t wait to see these guys develop some more chemistry together, it should be fun seeing them come together.

 

[bajaden]

the past is the past but it goes with you where ever you go... ask any felon; and didnt our last president graduate from yale and harvard? im just saying....

There you go, getting political on me. I don't think he played basketball though...

 

[AriesMar27]

There you go, getting political on me. I don't think he played basketball though...

he did play baseball and was a head cheerleader in high school....

 

[ovrush]

143 pts is ridiculous if they call you for 100 fouls. Sorry. I call bull hookie. Especially in light of the fact that we reached those kind of embarrassing heights several times last year on a way to a league-worst defensive performance. Be different if we were the Cavs or somebody, then you shrug and say aberration. As it was...the only way this upcomign season turns out as badly as this past season is if we bring the same defensive "effort". Offense isn't even relative at this point.

I half agree with you Brick. 143 points is rediculous. I do think the fouls can play a major role in it with the way this team is built. I think what we saw against phoenix is something we're going to see a lot this year. We're so thin up front, and what we have is so young, that teams are going to go after JT and Spence early and often in games to get them in foul trouble. When they get in trouble our options turn into either going small (giving up tons of points) or leaving them in and telling them not to foul (giving up tons of points). I just think with our depth up front we better get used to seeing some high scores put up against us, and poor interior defense late in games.

As for the Tyreke thing, I think his numbers have been great and it definitely looks like he's working hard at becoming a pg not a combo guard. He's not there yet, but I'm encouraged. It definitely feels like some here have an agenda that if he has a bad game they're gonna post about it, and if he has a good game they're going to explain why it was really bad. It gets pretty tiresome.

 

[AleksandarN]

im

evans isnt a pg, not that he is a bad player just not a pg. we will need one later on.

petrie is an idiot... which he has been since the day he signed peeler to a 2yr deal the year before the expansion draft. im not even going to mention passing up on he who shall remain nameless...

..

How do you know? What evidence do you have that he will be the better player?

 

[mac]

? it happens, its just unfortunate for me that the team i want the kings to be and the team that the kings actually are, arent the same team. same jerseys, same city, same owners, gm and arena but the team.... man...

SO ... you're a fan of the Kings because you like the name? I don't get it, you've listed about every aspect of a franchise to support, and you support non of it. Yet you're here on Kingsfans.com posting as a Kings fan. If there's nothing about the team that you like, why do you support it? It seems as if you want to create a team of your own, the AriesMar27ers or something, and just decided one day that you would like the Sacramento Kings to become that team you dream of.

I think what you need is to buy over the franchise, move it to wherever you want it, rename the team, change the players, change the jerseys, build a new arena and whatever more you want to do to the "sacramento kings"

 

[Rookie]

im not screaming bloody murder...

im screaming that...

we dont have a back up center...

I don't think anyone is opposing to this.

our starting center is a wuss who is scared of playing in the post even against weak defensive teams....

We all understood Hawes needs improvement. We're willing to be patient and see how he does this season, not preseason. Name calling isn't goign to help.

evans isnt a pg, not that he is a bad player just not a pg. we will need one later on

Your opinion, which is fine. But if you think it's a fact, than it is hard to argru with close minded perception. You win.

petrie is an idiot... which he has been since the day he signed peeler to a 2yr deal the year before the expansion draft. im not even going to mention passing up on he who shall remain nameless...

Find me an available better GM and all Kings land will make the owner hired him. It's too easy to find fault here and there with anyone and ignore the good that he had done. Wait, it could be you.

and i scream about how bad this team is, which is a valid reason to scream bloody hell... i dont want my team to suck and i am more than willing to give up some of our young pieces for a chance to be a competitive team again. though most of you wouldnt, i would. and rightfully so, i want the kings in the playoffs competing for a ring not the number 1 draft pick.

We're rebuilding, and we're rebuilding to get to the playoff. Like it or not, your way is not feasible. If you think it can be done, than do a write up on who to trade, what we can get, money, contact, length of contract and all the BS that involved a trade. Convinced us, we're always into improving the team.

rebuilding doesnt have to take half of a decade. our rebuild will last longer than our glory days... hell so far it has... 00-01 to 03-04 were the seasons where we were competitive, or at least made it to the 2nd round... lets say that the rebuild started in 2006, the minute peja was traded we were no longer the old kings... we were a newly remodeled kings team with bibby being the only holdover from our 2001-02 team. its been 4 years and we can all agree that we will be continuing to rebuild the team for the next year or 2. that would be 6 years before we are competitive(2nd round of the playoffs minimum) thats a long wait. how many coaches will we go through by then? has this team been over .500 since adelman was the coach? at any point in the regular season? i dont think so because we lose our first game every year.

You forgot prior to 00-01, and it was the idiot GM that got us there. When Peja was traded we were going with your style of planning, trying to compete for the playoff by acquiring Artest. We stopped that last year, with the trade of Bibby, Miller, Artest and other vets that we can get rid of. That to me is when we started rebuilding. But hey unless Petrie mentioned somehwere that he was rebuilding the team in 2006, all is in the eye of the beholder.

the last time that this team was over .500 was 12/02/2006... we were 8-7, mussellman was the coach. we havent been a winning team since december 2006..... wow....

The team has been in chaos for the last two years. We kicked out Adelman because he couldn't get the job done, without trying to find a replacement that is just as good or better. Instead we do it for the sake of changing, similar to what you want. Trading our youngs for whoever. Unless there is someone with just as good potential or better that we can get in return, you just don't do it.

By the way, why stop being less harshed during regular season? If other teams play harder, I expect the Kings to play harder.

PS You are screaming bloody marry. Just you don't see it that way.

 

[fnordius]

It definitely feels like some here have an agenda that if he has a bad game they're gonna post about it, and if he has a good game they're going to explain why it was really bad. It gets pretty tiresome.

Corollary: Others will post about his good games, making sweeping generalizations about his future in the NBA, and try to explain away the bad games.

Neither are more than speculation, and I find both annoying.

Doing either of the above, and trying to stretch it into a comparison with a nameless guy who won't play in an NBA game for years, is at least twice as ludicrous.

 

[AriesMar27]

How do you know? What evidence do you have that he will be the better player?

when did i say that he who shall remain nameless would be a better player? this is what im talking about, why is everyone jumping to that conclusion? i was just talking about the fact that he wasnt picked. you are the one saying that i implied that he would be better than evans....

he just happened to be the player that i wanted petrie to pick. just like i wanted him to pick sergio, it didnt happen and here we are today having the same argument 3 years later.

 

[TheFifthMookie]

total comedy!

what are we talking about again?

 

[AriesMar27]

total comedy!

what are we talking about again?

about how great it is to allow a team to score 143 points in a regulation preseason game. i posted that hawes is a wuss because he was punked out of the post by frye and it somehow turned into an argument about evans(thanks kingsgurl881's husband) which evolved into a discussion about he who shall remain nameless. and here we are....

 

[Jerryaki]

Agreed. What we're doing is like looking at a 7 year old girl's measurements and comparing them to the measurements of the reigning Miss America when she was 7, to try to figure out the 7 year old's odds of getting the title in 2024.

i was reading through this thread and paused at that creepy analogy. it came out of nowhere and made me laugh, thanks!

 

[TheFifthMookie]

I'm really happy with what I've been reading about Evans. I originally wanted the kings to draft Rubio, but I'm glad they didn't now.

I'm super excited about seeing the Evans/Martin backcourt in action. That has some serious promise.

It sounds like Omri may work out as our SF or 6th man of the future, its way too soon to tell, but the limited information I've seen sure is promising.

Its Shock and Hawes I'm less keen on. I want to see them develop more, but the way the 'big' centers (Oden and Bynum in this preseason) in this league have been scoring on them is really troublesome to me. Not having a 'real' backup big guy is worrisome too.

All that said, everyone we're watching on this team is: Improving, Inexperienced, and Is going to make mistakes.

I don't mind if they're bad and have 145 pt blow outs every once in a while as long as they continue to have potential and continue to improve. If our team was full of 30somethings my expectations would be different. You are entitled to your opinion, which is probably different.

 

[Kingsguy881]

about how great it is to allow a team to score 143 points in a regulation preseason game. i posted that hawes is a wuss because he was punked out of the post by frye and it somehow turned into an argument about evans(thanks kingsgurl881's husband) which evolved into a discussion about he who shall remain nameless. and here we are....

WRONG! Nobody said anything to the effect of it's great the Kings gave up 143 points. Some of us decided to find a silver lining in this MOST RECENT MEANINGLESS PRESEASON GAME. Now you on the other hand have twisted our words (something you do VERY often with limited success I might add) to the point where that is what we have said. I will stop posting on this board FOREVER if you can drum up a quote from ANYBODY that says "how great it is to allow a team to score 143 points in a regulation preseason game". FOREVER.

And yeah, I called you on your Evans hate, AGAIN, because had he been Rubio you would be doing the moonwalk down Sunset blvd over the stats Evans....err Rubio put up in that last game there. You would let us all know all the time how awesome Frodo is, just like we all gush over Evans.

The diff between most of the rest of us is while we are all gushing over Evans, all you can do (because you can't come right out and say that Evans sucks, it's just not true) is make your little digs at every chance you can get. Instead of accepting and supporting him, you have to make it known that you really don't want him on the Kings through your subtle snide comments.

We GET it, at this point you think we need someone to "keep us grounded, bring us back from our honeymoon", make us wake up and smell the Spanish Folgers because our team sucks, the world is ending, we are never going to have a good or even decent basketball team because Petrie is not you and does not make the moves you would and therefore the Sacramento Kings are ****ed. You would be a much better GM than Petrie (don't deny it, anytime you call someone an idiot the implication is that you are smarter and could do a better job than they) and so we all need to bow down to your high *** logic because you are all knowing.

WE GET IT. Lets go get TMac and redo the draft and get Rubio because for sure, he would be in preseason RIGHT NOW tearing it up, I'm talking 12 ppg 15 assists .5 turnovers and 7 rebounds a game. Oh and we would be undefeated in PRESEASON which means so much. Oh, and Rubio would have singlehandedly held the suns under triple digits.