Petrie is ready for a trade deadline (merged)
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Bricklayer said:
Our ebst case scenario is to end up with Vince Carter? 
Edit: New best case scenario: Sloan and AK47 get in fight, AK47 demands trade, Utah thinks Boozer and Peja would be a nice tandem.
AK47 signed an extension, much like the one that Pedja is going to want after next season that will pay him in the first year just under $11 mil. Besides, Utah is not going to part with him unless they get a deal they cannot refuse. The Kings need someone who can rebound and defend at the 3 and they need someone who doesn't cost a ton of money. Don't kill me for suggesting this again, but that person is Ron Artest.
We don't need somebody cheap. We need somebody good. Better than good. A stud and defensive game changer. Few of those out there. And if you have to pay them, you have to pay them. BTW, you trade based on this year's salary, not next year's. So as of right now the problem with a Kirilenko is that he's too CHEAP, not too expensive. (well, other than the problem of him being their franchise player and more or less untouchable ).
As an aside, people often overlook this because of his fearsome demeanor, but Artest is really no better a rebounder than Peja (normal Peja, not this year's sad version).
).As an aside, people often overlook this because of his fearsome demeanor, but Artest is really no better a rebounder than Peja (normal Peja, not this year's sad version).
Spare me the Ron Artest love. Please! I personally do not want a liability like him on my Kings. He is not a good fit personality wise for this team and the Kings are or were all about unity and friendships and caring about one another off the court. We need that comraderie back. Peja has to remember what he is all about and get back there and realize that he does not need Vlade to be the best he can be.
Webber, guys, guys, with the exception of a handful of games, this man has played extremely well this year. Wasn't it just 2 weeks ago that everyone was screaming because he wasn't chosen for the All-Star team? Guys have bad games.
I honestly don't know who I am personally willing to give up other than Tag and Bobby.
Webber, guys, guys, with the exception of a handful of games, this man has played extremely well this year. Wasn't it just 2 weeks ago that everyone was screaming because he wasn't chosen for the All-Star team? Guys have bad games.
I honestly don't know who I am personally willing to give up other than Tag and Bobby.
Bricklayer said:
We don't need somebody cheap. We need somebody good. Better than good. A stud and defensive game changer. Few of those out there. And if you have to pay them, you have to pay them. BTW, you trade based on this year's salary, not next year's. So as of right now the problem with a Kirilenko is that he's too CHEAP, not too expensive. (well, other than the problem of him being their franchise player and more or less untouchable ).
As an aside, people often overlook this because of his fearsome demeanor, but Artest is really no better a rebounder than Peja (normal Peja, not this year's sad version).
).As an aside, people often overlook this because of his fearsome demeanor, but Artest is really no better a rebounder than Peja (normal Peja, not this year's sad version).
Guys, our problem is a front line that can't jump, gets outrebounded consistantly and all shoot jumpshots for a living. We have two max contracts and another potential one in Peja if we don't make a move. Soooooo, we give Peja and CWebb to Boston for Pierce, Al Jefferson, Payton and Yogi Stewart (who's on IR, I believe, but would make the dollars match). Payton comes off the bench and gives some vet leadership on the second unit down the stretch (yeh, I know, his act will get old but we can tolerate him for what he will give us for the rest of the year before he becomes a FA this summer). We get a potential superstar in Pierce who would flourish in the Princeton offense since he loves going to the hoop and drawing fouls (annually leads league in FT attempts, something we no longer get much of). He can catch passes going to the hoop just as easy as doing it with the ball in his hands and would often find our spot up shooters on the perimeter if his path is blocked. Jefferson has a big upside as well. We instantly rebound better, balance our offense from inside out and play better defense with a potential shot blocker in Jefferson. Celtics do it because CWebb (Mr. tripple double) and Peja will make Boston a .700 team and give them instant credibility in Boston. The trade works on REALGM.com and gives us cap room and room to grow without sacrificing too much this year. And even if it does do any of you REALLY think we're going to get past the Spurs this year as we are currently configured?
I'm not leading the Ron Artest for President campaign...All I am saying is that IMO I think that he would make the Kings a better team. Additionally, who is to say that he wouldn't get along with the players on the team off the court. Just because the guy does one of the dumbest things in NBA history doesn't mean that his teammates don't like him or that he is not a likeable guy...I've actually heard to the contrary. Here's my take on Artest: Great defender, great energy, and his offensive skills are getting better every year. I honestly don't believe that he will ever do anything like what happened in Detroit ever again although he may do a few stupid things now and again, but the bottom line is that he would make the Kings a better team although I would be schocked if Petrie pulled the trigger on an Artest trade, but some GM will and he will make that team a better team on the court.
If we had to trade Cwebb I could see this as the best we could get from him( probably the reason he will not be traded because hard to get equal value for him)
Portland trades: PG Sebastian Telfair(4.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.6 apg in 10.6 minutes) C Theo Ratliff(5.0 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 29.0 minutes) PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim(15.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 35.2 minutes) Portland receives: C Greg Ostertag(1.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.8 minutes) PF Chris Webber(21.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 5.4 apg in 36.2 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes) Change in team outlook: +9.7 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and +4.7 apg.
Sacramento trades: C Greg Ostertag(1.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.8 minutes) PF Chris Webber(21.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 5.4 apg in 36.2 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes) Sacramento receives: PG Sebastian Telfair(4.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.6 apg in 10.6 minutes) C Theo Ratliff(5.0 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 29.0 minutes) PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim(15.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 35.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: -9.7 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and -4.7 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED
Portland trades: PG Sebastian Telfair(4.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.6 apg in 10.6 minutes) C Theo Ratliff(5.0 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 29.0 minutes) PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim(15.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 35.2 minutes) Portland receives: C Greg Ostertag(1.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.8 minutes) PF Chris Webber(21.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 5.4 apg in 36.2 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes) Change in team outlook: +9.7 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and +4.7 apg.
Sacramento trades: C Greg Ostertag(1.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.8 minutes) PF Chris Webber(21.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 5.4 apg in 36.2 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes) Sacramento receives: PG Sebastian Telfair(4.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.6 apg in 10.6 minutes) C Theo Ratliff(5.0 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 29.0 minutes) PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim(15.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 35.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: -9.7 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and -4.7 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED
The trade scenario with Portland is horrible for the Kings and the Kings aren't just going to trade CWebb to the first taker. CWebb, although hobbled, is still one of the best players in the league. How many other power forwards can do what he does and he is perfectly suited for the Kings offense. Getting rid of him completley changes the dynamic of the Kings motion offense. Trading CWebb isn't a bad thought, but you either have to get equal value in return (hard to do) or get a a host of players with expiring contracts.
You have to be honest though we will not get equal value from him in a trade period. The one I came up with is I think is the best trade we can that would help fix our defensive weakness the team has. Yes we would lose a little bit of our motion offense but not as much as you think since Brad could fill in for CWebb's role in the offense.
BLNINJA #81 said:
That's what everyone said about Webber before he came here...
Look how that worked out
Look how that worked out
Artest is a headcase, with a history of escalating violence and anger issues. How do you think he would have responded to some of those "non-calls," especially if they had gone against him?
Sorry. I'll stake virtually everything I believe in that the only way Artest will ever be seen in a Kings uniform is if he buys one to wear on Halloween.
Exactly. That is what I am saying. I could see us trading CWebb if Petrie wanted for moved for whatever reason. I just posted the trade to show how hard it would be to trade him. And yes I do thing is realistic and viable trade. As much I could see us moving Pedja I could equaly see us tradeing CWebb.
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I think Artest can change in Sac, he doesnt have too many role models in Indiana. All those guys, even though they are skilled, dont know how to act when things arent going there way. For example look at how Miller used to be before he came to Sac, him and Oakley went at it with Shaq, he was suspended numerous times in Chicago and Indy, always giving up on the play when he didnt get the foul or whatever. A change in invironment was best for him. I dont think the players in Sac would let Artest get away with all that stuff he pulled off in Indy. And do you really think hes gonna flip out again like that? I'm sure if he knew ahead of time that he would miss the rest of the season and 6 million dollars he would have never jumped into the stands. He was laying down trying to cool off while Ben Wallace was throwing his little hissy fit. I think Artest takes more blame than he should have. The NBA should have some kind of alcohol limit, Ben Wallace deserved a longer punishment, because in all honesty he got mad for no reason. I've said it before and I will say it again, with Artest we would be the Finals favorite in the west next year. He brings everything to the team that we lack which is defense and hustle, he's not too bad on the boards either.
This I also think is the best we could trade Pedja for. So you see in both situations I think it would not be wise to trade either unless you think these trades would put us in better position to win.
Chicago trades: SF Luol Deng(12.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.5 minutes) PF Tyson Chandler(7.7 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 0.8 apg in 27.3 minutes) Chicago receives: SF Peja Stojakovic(19.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.9 apg in 38.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: -0.7 ppg, -10.7 rpg, and -1.3 apg.
Sacramento trades: SF Peja Stojakovic(19.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.9 apg in 38.3 minutes) Sacramento receives: SF Luol Deng(12.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.5 minutes) PF Tyson Chandler(7.7 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 0.8 apg in 27.3 minutes)
Chicago trades: SF Luol Deng(12.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.5 minutes) PF Tyson Chandler(7.7 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 0.8 apg in 27.3 minutes) Chicago receives: SF Peja Stojakovic(19.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.9 apg in 38.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: -0.7 ppg, -10.7 rpg, and -1.3 apg.
Sacramento trades: SF Peja Stojakovic(19.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.9 apg in 38.3 minutes) Sacramento receives: SF Luol Deng(12.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.5 minutes) PF Tyson Chandler(7.7 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 0.8 apg in 27.3 minutes)
The point is there is NO reason for the Kings to wager their future that someone with proved anger issues AND escalating violence will change.
You don't bet a multi-million dollar franchise on "maybe."
You don't think the players in Sac would let Artest get away with all that stuff? Why should they be responsible for his actions? He wouldn't have jumped into the stands if he'd known ahead of time what could happen?
Why wouldn't he BLEEPING know what would happen? He's been suspended before for anger issues.
Do I really think he's gonna flip out like that again? Doesn't matter what I think. I don't have millions of dollars invested in the team. I'm willing to bet the Indiana Pacers didn't think he'd flip out like that after the LAST episode. I'm pretty sure they also didn't see him asking for time off during the season to promote a rap album.
You can attempt to deflect blame all you like. The bottom line is that REGARDLESS of what happened that led up to it, the instant Artest got off the table and went after the fan he crossed a line players simply cannot cross.
You can say it 10,000 times if you like, but there is NOTHING to indicate that Artest would make us the finals favorite. He brings everything to the team that we lack? Hmmmmm. I didn't realize we were lacking a loose cannon with a track record of being unable to control himself. And I guess I just didn't see the gap at the "Hey, put your OTHER business ahead of the Kings" position.
At one point, Artest was actively considered by many on this board to be a viable alternative. His actions made that pretty much a moot point.
I would like to see your proof, BTW, that Brad Miller was suspended numerous times.
You don't bet a multi-million dollar franchise on "maybe."
You don't think the players in Sac would let Artest get away with all that stuff? Why should they be responsible for his actions? He wouldn't have jumped into the stands if he'd known ahead of time what could happen?
Why wouldn't he BLEEPING know what would happen? He's been suspended before for anger issues.
Do I really think he's gonna flip out like that again? Doesn't matter what I think. I don't have millions of dollars invested in the team. I'm willing to bet the Indiana Pacers didn't think he'd flip out like that after the LAST episode. I'm pretty sure they also didn't see him asking for time off during the season to promote a rap album.
You can attempt to deflect blame all you like. The bottom line is that REGARDLESS of what happened that led up to it, the instant Artest got off the table and went after the fan he crossed a line players simply cannot cross.
You can say it 10,000 times if you like, but there is NOTHING to indicate that Artest would make us the finals favorite. He brings everything to the team that we lack? Hmmmmm. I didn't realize we were lacking a loose cannon with a track record of being unable to control himself. And I guess I just didn't see the gap at the "Hey, put your OTHER business ahead of the Kings" position.
At one point, Artest was actively considered by many on this board to be a viable alternative. His actions made that pretty much a moot point.
I would like to see your proof, BTW, that Brad Miller was suspended numerous times.
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which idiot of a GM would trade 2 up and coming stars, for peja stojakovic? chandler who is a monster on the boards is only in his 3rd year out of high school and deng is a rookie averaging 13 points a game, i seen the boy throw up 30 vs the mavericks. if GP could pull this off i would be shocked and i would know the bulls organization will never survive! im telling yall the bulls are gonna be in the eastern conference finals with miami.
For one none of them are allstars secondly have you looked at Chandlers numbers he is not even close to being an up coming star either is Deng. This is a trade that would benefit Chigico as much as it would benifit Sac. I thin k you are truely underating Pedja and over rating the two others players in question.
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ill start with the most recent and go down.
2/10/05
The NBA suspended Brad Miller (Sac) for 1 game for berating the refs and
throwing his headband and wristbands into the stands following Tuesday's
Sac-Pho game. Mike Bibby (Sac) was fined $15,000 for berating the refs and
failing to leave the court in a timely manner after the game. Cuttino
Mobley (Sac) was fined $15,000 for comments he made about the refs following
the game. Chris Webber (Sac) was fined $10,000 for kicking the ball into
the stands after the game ended. [Amare Stoudemire (Pho) blocked a shot by
Miller as time expired that would have tied the game and it looked like it
might have been goaltending, but no call was made.]
5/16/04
The NBA fined Brad Miller (Sac) $10,000 for flipping off the fans
following his ejection from Friday's Sac-Min game.
1/14/02
The NBA came down with the fines and suspensions for Saturday's fight in the
Lakers-Chicago game. Shaquille O'Neal (LAL) was fined $15,000 and suspended
3 games for throwing punches at Brad Miller after O'Neal was fouled hard by
Miller and Charles Oakley. Miller was fined $7,500 and suspended for 1 game
for a flagrant foul, level 2 on O'Neal. Oakley was fined $10,000 and
suspended for 2 games for his flagrant foul, level 2 on O'Neal. Oakley
received 1 game for the flagrant and 1 game for amassing a certain number of
12/4/01
The NBA fined Brad Miller (Chi) $7,500 for kicking a chair into the stands
during Saturday's Chi-Phi game.
flagrant foul points.
thats all i could find on brad miller. i dont think there is anymore.
2/10/05
The NBA suspended Brad Miller (Sac) for 1 game for berating the refs and
throwing his headband and wristbands into the stands following Tuesday's
Sac-Pho game. Mike Bibby (Sac) was fined $15,000 for berating the refs and
failing to leave the court in a timely manner after the game. Cuttino
Mobley (Sac) was fined $15,000 for comments he made about the refs following
the game. Chris Webber (Sac) was fined $10,000 for kicking the ball into
the stands after the game ended. [Amare Stoudemire (Pho) blocked a shot by
Miller as time expired that would have tied the game and it looked like it
might have been goaltending, but no call was made.]
5/16/04
The NBA fined Brad Miller (Sac) $10,000 for flipping off the fans
following his ejection from Friday's Sac-Min game.
1/14/02
The NBA came down with the fines and suspensions for Saturday's fight in the
Lakers-Chicago game. Shaquille O'Neal (LAL) was fined $15,000 and suspended
3 games for throwing punches at Brad Miller after O'Neal was fouled hard by
Miller and Charles Oakley. Miller was fined $7,500 and suspended for 1 game
for a flagrant foul, level 2 on O'Neal. Oakley was fined $10,000 and
suspended for 2 games for his flagrant foul, level 2 on O'Neal. Oakley
received 1 game for the flagrant and 1 game for amassing a certain number of
12/4/01
The NBA fined Brad Miller (Chi) $7,500 for kicking a chair into the stands
during Saturday's Chi-Phi game.
flagrant foul points.
thats all i could find on brad miller. i dont think there is anymore.
I like Artest and what he could bring. IMO he would bring more then Pierce could if he was a stable person. Artest on the court has a pretty complete game. If I was a GM there is no way I make that deal tho, the risk of him flying off the handle again and getting banned for life or 2 years is more then the rewards would bring.
They would need a coach that could keep him in check and RA as much as I like him is not that type of coach.
They would need a coach that could keep him in check and RA as much as I like him is not that type of coach.
So, essentially, except for his time with the Kings he had One suspension in 2002 for the famous altercation with Shaq and one fine?
That's not exactly NUMEROUS suspensions, which is what you said.
If you're gonna make statements like that, you have to be ready to back them up with facts.
Bottom line is that we aren't talking about Miller, or Webber, or anyone else you've mentioned to try and deflect focus from Artest.
For purposes of argument, I'd really like to know how long you've been a basketball fan and a fan of the Kings. I just don't think you get what the team IS and ISN'T about.
That's not exactly NUMEROUS suspensions, which is what you said.
If you're gonna make statements like that, you have to be ready to back them up with facts.
Bottom line is that we aren't talking about Miller, or Webber, or anyone else you've mentioned to try and deflect focus from Artest.
For purposes of argument, I'd really like to know how long you've been a basketball fan and a fan of the Kings. I just don't think you get what the team IS and ISN'T about.