peja and weber during bad games

[TXSactoFan]

btw I am not a peja homer....

ive noticed one smart things that peja does when he has bad games... he shoots something like 10 shots.... tries enough to see of he gets back his shooting touch... but not too much to keep throwing up bricks...

cwebb on the other hand doesnt seem to recognize it and throws up bricks... like 20-25 shots a game... just noticed that... hopefully weber can recognize these things after the break and tries to compensiate on other things when hes having bad games...

GO KINGS!!!!!!!!!

 

[SacKings384]

Well that's because our entire offense runs off the pick and roll, when Webber isn't hitting, they just sag off of him, and give him a wide open shot... Gotta take the open shot...

 

[GoSACtown]

so true so true...webber doesnt realize that when ur having an offnight, try to hold the trigger, instead he shoots 10 times more......i would understand if he was the only weapon we had, but hes not...

 

[Kev.in]

Some people have already forgotten the type of bad games Peja had when he was playing with plantar faciitis in '02-'03?

 

[Kev.in]

I think a bad game is a bad game, whether or not you even take a single shot. There are too many ways a guy can play poorly to compare just one way between two players.

 

[Bricklayer]

I find it amusing that we complain about Peja not getting enough shots, and then turn around and claim its all part of a plan.

1) Peja never has the ball unless someone else gives it to him. You can go away from him if his shot is off. But...

2) To the degree that Peja quits getting shots, as often as not its because he quits moving. You can say that that is him being "smart" and quitting shooting, but I think its more accurate to say he gets discouraged and quits working and the results are predictable therafter.

3) And that's not really a good thing -- when a shooter quits shooting he will never get out of the slump. Certainly can't contrihbute any points if you never take a shot. In Peja's case in particular, that makes him something approaching a liability out there since he doesn't do much else.

4) Webber directs the offense, has the ball nearly every possession. Not only much more opportunity to shoot, but when the offense isn't running smoothly, the guy who has to take the give up shot. Let's switch the roles. Assume Peja was the guy with the ball directing the offense, now assume that he was shooting so poorly that guys were intentionally backing off of him and making it tough on the rest of the team. Would we laud him for refusing to shoot as time was running out and the rest of the guys were playing 4 on 5? No. He has to take that shot.

5) the evidence doesn't support the assertion that Webb is unaware he is shooting poorly -- against Boston all he did while selfishly chucking up shots was rack up 12 assists and record a triple double; against Chicago Webb came out cold, tried to shoot his way out of it, failed, and came out in the second half very MUCH aware that his shot was off. He passed up looks, went down inside, and generally changed his whole game because he was shooting poorly. And last night there were no extended spells of missed jumpers. Just one here, one there, as dictated by the offense, or lack thereof.

 

[6th]

Now, Bricklayer, you know that all makes entirely too much sense.

If you pay attention to what Chris says in the media (and someone must since there is constant hoopla when he speaks) you will know that Chris is very much aware when his shot is not falling. He himself tells us that he is told...over and over again...to keep shooting and work his way out of the slump. So, people here can complain and admonish Chris to "stop shooting when his shot is off" all they want, but it is not going to happen. I assure you that he will listen to his coach and teammates before he listens to the fans.

 

[starks]

I don't understand one thing: how you can miss 30 out of 44 shoots if you are wide open for 90% of them?

 

[piksi]

I don't understand one thing: how you can miss 30 out of 44 shoots if you are wide open for 90% of them?

by being tired, not focused, rushing, being mentally soft etc

 

[#1sacfan]

I don't understand one thing: how you can miss 30 out of 44 shoots if you are wide open for 90% of them?

Great point and this is exactly why the offense should use Brad Miller at the top more because he shoots the ball better, he looks to pass first and he will put the ball to the floor more often and drive the ball to the basket drawing fouls.

 

[keflanag]

Great point and this is exactly why the offense should use Brad Miller at the top more because he shoots the ball better, he looks to pass first and he will put the ball to the floor more often and drive the ball to the basket drawing fouls.

If Brad and Webber switched roles, you would take away each of their greatest strengths. Brad is a good passer, but he is not as good as Chris. You are now taking the ball out of our best passer's hands. Also, Brad's strength is catching the ball and shooting. That works great with a pick and roll or "pick and pop" if you want. But if he is running the offense with the ball in his hands, you take away those opportunities.

 

[Crackerman]

If Brad and Webber switched roles, you would take away each of their greatest strengths. Brad is a good passer, but he is not as good as Chris. You are now taking the ball out of our best passer's hands. Also, Brad's strength is catching the ball and shooting. That works great with a pick and roll or "pick and pop" if you want. But if he is running the offense with the ball in his hands, you take away those opportunities.

Why couldn't Webb run the offense out of the POST?

 

[Bricklayer]

Why couldn't Webb run the offense out of the POST?

Now that's an interesting question without a clear answer. Most of the time Webb ends up in the post he's looking to score it. Think it must be a comfort thing, although it also could be vision -- Vlade was 7'1" and could look over people and still see the floor from in there, not sure Webb can do that as easily. Its also true that the offense we run has always called for big men to step outside and face the hoop, at whatever level its been run.

But it would certainly be nice to see if it could work. Make Webb a post threat every time down the floor + clean up spacing for our shooters. Just not sure it can work -- we can't be the only people who've thought about that.

 

[Gary]

I am really sick of Webber shooting and shooting and shooting.. I almost start to laugh when I see him missing so many shots.. I laugh out of anger (basically stopping me from going crazy) SERENITY NOW!

I don't know what else to do though.. It is almost like I would just love to keep Miller, and Bibby, and throw the rest of the team away..

 

[tienchi3x]

I think last night with jump shots not falling Both Webb and Miller should have played the post more. But the truth is Adelman should have played the bench more. It was obvious our starters ran out of gas. Evans and Songalia were doing pretty well when set up with shots. I think after a loss Adelman gets less trusting of the bench and sometimes that hurts more than helps.

 

[gman23]

Well that's because our entire offense runs off the pick and roll, when Webber isn't hitting, they just sag off of him, and give him a wide open shot... Gotta take the open shot...

If he is 2 for 15 then he should move closer to the basket. If he is open and the clock is at 3-5 seconds then shoot, no problem. However, if Webber or anyone for that fact is shooting poorly than please don't give them the ball with less than 10 seconds on the clock.

 

[TXSactoFan]

i dont have an opportuniy to watch most of the games.. all i see is the box scores...so when i see the box scores, peja going 2-10 looks better than weber going 6-22 even when weber has 8 assists or something like that... the fact that peja quits is bad... that is something that needs to be addressed along with his rebounding... but thats another topic.. but the guys who are making the shots on thaat day get their shots... and hopefully the highest scorer on the day takes the most shots...

but with weber even when he is strugglin the highest scorer of that game most often has taken lesser number of shots than him... which i think is bad... one think that baffles me too is the fact that we do not have much of a post presence... probably when his shots arent going weber should try playing post and not shoot from him favorite spot...

when peja is playing bad, he is in the perimeter and he still has to be covered.. most often than not, no one dares to leave him open.. that doesnt clutter up the middle.. when weber plays bad , the guy gaurding him gives him the open shot and they clutter up the lane... thus the others cant drive to the lane too...

 

[starks]

It is obvious that we cannot rely on Webb and Miller outside shoots....when they miss the shoots, there is no offensive rebound and there is no TD at all.... pick'n'roll biby-miller is way more effective than biby-webb.....Miller can penetrate inside and get some calls while webb due to bad knee is not able to do that..... This team literally depends on webb's knee and his FG percentage and that is main issue….