Pedja the player
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GoGoGadget
All-Star
HndsmCelt said:
How can they not be meaningful? They gots such purty colors.
PixelPusher
Starter
HndsmCelt said:
I'm sure 30 respondents is a scientific sampling adequate to deduce the opinions of all Kings fans all over the earth.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I say specialized. I agree with chelle that Peja doesn't look at all happy this year. Maybe he shouldn't let that affect his game, but some people are that way. I also suspect there is still some friction in the locker room. Right now, I'd have to say I don't see "greatness" or necessarily even "star" in Peja. I wish I did. (Believe or not, a part of me still wants him to prove me wrong next year.)
KP
Starter
Ok I voted for All-Star because I think Peja is more than just a specialized player(which I think is a nice way of saying one dimensional). He will always be mentioned by the other teams broadcast during pre-game, He will always have the ability on any given night to win a game for you outright, he is definately some kind of star. Peja just lacks the killer instinct or grapefruits to play at that high level in pressure situations and the postseason, thats why he is not a superstar. Does that make him worthless, or not worth the roster spot? You tell me, cause I still can't figure that one out. But he's been an All-star in the past and could very well be one in the future, doesn't being an All-star kinda make you one?
Bartking
G-League
BTW, he was the second-leading scorer in the NBA last year. And at a good price. Yeah, he should be on the roster.
Having said that, if everybody thinks it's time to move on, it would be interesting to see how he pans out in another system, not to mention good for everyone's sanity.
Having said that, if everybody thinks it's time to move on, it would be interesting to see how he pans out in another system, not to mention good for everyone's sanity.
Kool Keith
G-League
Bartking said:
Despite that fact, most people on here would rather have him as 3rd option... for some reason.
Bartking said:
It'll be very interesting.. and it'll answer alot of questions.
slugking50
All-Star
Im inbetween Specialized and All Star. So I flipped a coin and All Star won.
NewEraKings05
G-League
Nice poll. I chose that he is an average starter, I thought about the specialized player, as he is said to be but he has not really shown me that he meets that criteria so I chose accordingly.
He is no more than specialized for sure.
He is no more than specialized for sure.
kennadog
Dog On It!
gman23 said:
You know, I don't believe that. No matter how dedicated or how hardworking, I can't be an NBA All-Star. Now of course I'm being sarcastic, but for a reason. Everybody's disappointed that Peja hasn't turned into the "go-to-guy" or an agressive team leader (me too). Everyone thinks he isn't living up to his potential
First, maybe he is living up to his potential. Maybe he is doing the best he can and working very hard. I think he could get back to better performance than this year,but it doesn't mean he'll be more than that.
Secondly, I think the kind of player we're wanting from Peja takes a lot more than just hard work and dedication. I think there are intangibles in the make-up of some people. Ray Allen obviously has them. Duncan has them. Bird and Magic had them. Jordan had them. Reggie Miller, too. The vast majority of NBA players don't. Those intangibles can sometimes be acquired, but I suspect most of those players had them long before they became NBA players.
I don't rule out the possibility that Peja could still turn into that kind of player, but I've decided I'm just going to accept what he is for now. And on the right team, with no expectation for him to be THE guy, I think he can still be valuable for the talent he does have.
ultraman206
G-League
Allstar. He is too good of a basketball player to fall below this.
mikebibby1034
Bench
kennadog said:
yeah i said specialized, and i said it becuase of all the reasons above.
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Fillmoe
Guest
Bartking said:
i dont care if he was the top leading scorer and beat out the next closest player by 20 points! what good is he if he doesnt show up in the playoffs? 3 years in a row!
G_M
Starter
gilly420 said:
8-10 small forwards "far superior" to Peja? I'd like too see your list. I guess it depends on who exactly you consider a small forward. Small Forwards I would at consder better tha Peja.
Garnett
Marion(rebounding)
Odom(maybe)
T. Prince(defense)
T. Mac (2/3 combo)
C. Maggette
R. Lewis-(current playoff performance not withstanding)
V. Carter )if you consider him a SF
R. Jefferson(maybe heading in that direction)
Garnett is the only small forward I would consider "far superior" to Peja.
AleksandarN
Starter
G_M said:
ok first Garnett is a PF not a SF
C. Maggette has not proved any to warrent being better(how many allstar games he was in?)
R.Lewis(same a Maggette)
R. Jefferspm(what prove does he have again he has not proved anything)
V. Carter(is a Sg)
Odom(is a PF and but has skills that Pedja does not have still no not as strong as Pedja through out his career)
Prince)pretty much even one is good at one thing and the other is good at the opposite.
So the only one I have left off is TMac.
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AleksandarN
Starter
Team Dime said:
It is based on their whole career.
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I believe he was a go-to-guy last year. It's been a weird year for all of the Kings.kennadog said:
Peja, as he's playing right now, is certainly not a star.
But, in the right system, he's one of the most difficult to gaurd players in the league - which I would say qualifies as a star.
Not all great players are the top option on their teams (Manu is playing some of the best ball in the league right now, coming off the bench)
nor are they go-to-guys in the clutch (Shaq often sits the end of games, and they go to Wade).
nor are all their seasons uniformly excellent (Shaq's serves as a good example again - he played absolutely no defense last year, better this year)
nor are they all considered great players in any system or situation (for example, Jordan was considered a one-dimensional scorer, Iverson before there was Iverson, until Pippen, Grant, and Phil showed up; compare him with Dominique, who had a lot of the same skills but never as much talent around him)
People make the distinction between star and superstar not on ability, but on wins and memorable (usually clutch) moments (see Reggie Miller and Bill Simmon's article on why he's overrated, espn.com).
He is what he is - he's not Jordan, but he isn't Wesley Person either.
Our team isn't playing well, and people want to put it on Peja's back - I guess thats what he gets now that we don't have Webber to kick around any more.
But he's still a star.
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KingCookie
Bench
You have to consider playoff performance and mental toughness. I had to vote "specialized player", because, when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, Peja is simply a 3-point specialist. Sad...but he's had his chances to improve his game, and he's not showing any signs of changing.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Pretty much agree kperica. I think this year has been very hard on both Peja and Bibby. At the moment neither looks happy in the least. And I do think on the right team and in the right situation, Peja can still be a very important player without having to be the "go-to-guy". And having a truly great go-to-player doesn't win championships either or KG would have multiple rings by now.
As far as not showing up in the playoffs, with the exception of Bibby's one game, I pretty much think the whole team hasn't really shown up this series. And part of the reason is that they are not playing as a team to make the team better than the sum of the parts.
As far as not showing up in the playoffs, with the exception of Bibby's one game, I pretty much think the whole team hasn't really shown up this series. And part of the reason is that they are not playing as a team to make the team better than the sum of the parts.
mbkings10
G-League
If Peja wants to be more than just an All-Star, he will have to hit the gym in the summer and work on his post up game, and creating his own shot. He doesn't have Vlade, Chris, or Doug to feed him the ball anymore. Most his points came off backdoor screens and open shots. I also read in the Sacbee today that he doesn't bring basketball business home. If he truly wants to be a great player, he has to dedicate himself, that means bring home tape, analyzing his game, his opponents game especially during playoff time.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Here'e the thing -- Peja is a very good player. Sometimes even bordering on great (somewhere between the "specialized player" and All-Star categories I think). But there's nothing he does, nothing he can do, that is so amazing and so revolutionary that there is any reason to put up with him not being a competitor. Its just pointless. He's very good. But he's not an irreplaceable franchise type player. There are probably literally dozens of players around the league who can come in and provide you with similar production, so why oh why would we sit around year after year after year tolerating disappearing acts? There is just no justification for it.
People talk about him as if he is a kid. He is not. He has actually probably reached the halfway point of his career. How many years exactly do you go before deciding that the guy is just not a competitor and going out and getting a guy who will fight and scrape and leave his heart on the floor for this franchise? Its been 7 years now. How long are we going to wait? 10 years? 15? That's just ridiculous. You get a young player. You develop him. You tolerate a few years of development, you see what he has. But when halfway through hsi career you see that he's still lacking in heart and fire you do NOT sit on your hands and just take your lumps year after year after year. You move him, try to get that player with both talent AND fire. This isn't a charity we are running.
People talk about him as if he is a kid. He is not. He has actually probably reached the halfway point of his career. How many years exactly do you go before deciding that the guy is just not a competitor and going out and getting a guy who will fight and scrape and leave his heart on the floor for this franchise? Its been 7 years now. How long are we going to wait? 10 years? 15? That's just ridiculous. You get a young player. You develop him. You tolerate a few years of development, you see what he has. But when halfway through hsi career you see that he's still lacking in heart and fire you do NOT sit on your hands and just take your lumps year after year after year. You move him, try to get that player with both talent AND fire. This isn't a charity we are running.
KingCookie
Bench
^AMEN. I have never heard it put better!!!! You get a raise!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
bozzwell said:Well, in three hours this may become the epitaph on Pedja's career as a King (at least in Kingsfans.com terms). You waited seven years, be patients for just a little bit longer.
Well, I'm not suggesting we trade him BEFORE the game.
