PDA

I can't make an honest assestment besides being annoyed with Lopez and Withey getting away. I'm not sure how much say he had in the draft, nor if it was his call to sign Landry. Also annoyed they gambled on Williams, he simply makes too much salary to gamble on, Moute would have been much better to our needs.

Sessions is terrible, but cheap, so gets a meh....

Collison gets a big time positive for being a budget pg and useful.

Bad with IT, they didn't get much for him, a minor meh for Jimmer not getting us at least a second.

Positive for Casspi, but it looked like Omri chose us as much as we chose him.
 
captain bill said:
Any questions?

Maxed DMC, picked up Rudy and signed him to a favorable extension, locked up DC on a good deal, and signed George Karl, the most decorated available coach and a former colleague, to a sweetheart deal.
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I completely agree with your assessment. Pete definitely isn't perfect and this front office has made its' share of mistakes, but if you look at what they've been able to accomplish as a whole in the short amount of time that they've been here, it is astonishing. This team is headed in the right direction. Everyone here who has been bashing the organization is simply venting their frustration with our situation, and that is completely understandable.

#SacramentoPROUD
 
Sure I'll take the bait.
All the things you mention, yeah, we can give him that.
But what about the crap he assembled for the Kings bench? Where's his brilliance there?
And what about JT as a starting PF (for lack of a better choice)? How many other NBA teams would have JT starting?
And what about his embarrassing "I'm smart" interview on Grant's show? I'm sorry, but that interview was the kicker for me.
He got some things done, but he's got some big weaknesses. You wanna feel he's your savior, be my guest. But he's still subpar to me.
 
GQ_Gabriel said:
I completely agree with your assessment. Pete definitely isn't perfect and this front office has made its' share of mistakes, but if you look at what they've been able to accomplish as a whole in the short amount of time that they've been here, it is astonishing. This team is headed in the right direction. Everyone here who has been bashing the organization is simply venting their frustration with our situation, and that is completely understandable.

#SacramentoPROUD
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No crap?

You agree? Didn't see that coming.

And the hashtags are just comical at this point. If that's your goal, I say to you old chap, you're nailing it. Really good stuff.
 
GQ_Gabriel said:
I completely agree with your assessment. Pete definitely isn't perfect and this front office has made its' share of mistakes, but if you look at what they've been able to accomplish as a whole in the short amount of time that they've been here, it is astonishing. This team is headed in the right direction. Everyone here who has been bashing the organization is simply venting their frustration with our situation, and that is completely understandable.

#SacramentoPROUD
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I seriously have no idea what is Vivek, what is Mullin, what is PDA.

So I can't single out PDA good or bad.
 
My question is still clear and to the point.

How long until we fire this weasel?

Replace his ass this summer. Karl does not fix the gross incompetence and negligence running rampant through our FO and the chaotic culture which PDA has played a large part in cultivating. Both he and Mullin have to go. If you're a George Karl fan and want him to succeed, your concern should be how best to put Karl in a position to succeed. That requires cleaning house within our FO and getting the backstabbing, unprofessional meddlers a one-way ticket out of town.

Karl BTW fully appears like he would have taken any chance to get back into the league as a head coach and was begging for a job. It's not like PDA pulled off some wizardry in signing him. Even then, PDA mishandled this publicly more than any sports franchise I can remember.
 
captain bill said:
Any questions?

Maxed DMC, picked up Rudy and signed him to a favorable extension, locked up DC on a good deal, and signed George Karl, the most decorated available coach and a former colleague, to a sweetheart deal.
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Not a question, but an answer.

The man is god damn liar. And he lied straight to our franchise centerpiece, Demarcus Cousins.

I want him gone. NOW.

He DOES NOT make "#SacramentoProud"

ffs...
 
GQ_Gabriel said:
I completely agree with your assessment. Pete definitely isn't perfect and this front office has made its' share of mistakes, but if you look at what they've been able to accomplish as a whole in the short amount of time that they've been here, it is astonishing. This team is headed in the right direction. Everyone here who has been bashing the organization is simply venting their frustration with our situation, and that is completely understandable.

#SacramentoPROUD
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This season is about wins and losses. That is what the owner is using as an assessment.

So until there is a measurable improvement in the Win column PDA's job is in jeopardy. All of PDA's hopes and dreams are invested in Coach Karl being successful with the Kings. That better happen or PDA soon will be in the unemployment line with his friends Mike and Ty.

KB
 
Prior to the Malone debacle, I was actually coming around to PDA. He has put together a pretty decent starting 5.

Then came the BS, the lies, the backpedaling, the arrogance... the quotes implying that our roster was set and underperforming under Malone.

Now I just see him as a weasel. He's a slimeball puppet to Vivek's insane whims. Totally classless and incompetent.

I pretty much hate everyone up top. There is going to be a major power struggle in the coming years, that much it's obvious. I'm on team Karl.
 
I wonder if most who are calling him out right now would say it in front of him.. crown downtown has a lot of room in their bus...

You know what... 29 other teams missed on Lopez. 29 other teams missed on Withey.

People are discrediting all the good he's actually done as a GM.
 
Oh boy.

You could have at least waited until after the trade deadline, no? PDA does not yet deserve an "any questions" thread. Maybe after he picks up some exec. award, or something.

Signing Karl doesn't absolve him for torpedoing the season. The FO had to quickly attempt to placate fans and STH who were insurrecting, and hiring Karl was the absolute best bandaid to put on the situation, but the cuts run deep.

Too soon, man. Too soon.
 
206Fan said:
I wonder if most who are calling him out right now would say it in front of him.. crown downtown has a lot of room in their bus...

You know what... 29 other teams missed on Lopez. 29 other teams missed on Withey.

People are discrediting all the good he's actually done as a GM.
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And you and couple others are ignoring all the harm he has done. Even?
 
206Fan said:
I wonder if most who are calling him out right now would say it in front of him.. crown downtown has a lot of room in their bus...

You know what... 29 other teams missed on Lopez. 29 other teams missed on Withey.

People are discrediting all the good he's actually done as a GM.
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I'd simply like to ask him "hey Pete, so what was your calls, and what was Mullin's and Vivek's."

That's the only thing I want to ask him actually.
 
whozit said:
And you and couple others are ignoring all the harm he has done. Even?
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no.
-He gave Cousins a max at the time when a lot of people were really questioning his maturity
-He traded an overpaid Tyreke for reasonable pieces that resulted in Rudy Gay.
-He got rid of Marcus Thornton and his terrible contract.
-He made a small tiny gamble with swapping an injury prone M'bah for a former 2nd round pick..Derrick Williams. It hasn't paid off, but it's not like Mbah killed it in Minnesota with his 3.3ppg average..
-Overpaid 1-2million for role player Carl Landry. He's a solid bench guy, but overpaid a bit.
-He drafted Ben McLemore who's been a solid 3&D guy in his 2nd season.
-He drafted Nik Stauskas who's had limited PT this year( not a bust by any means, and most rookies barely see any PT).
-He undersold IT with the returns he received no doubt about it. He should've moved IT once he figured that IT wasn't in his plans. Poor handling of trading away a fan favorite and got a useless trade exemption for it.
-He signed Darren Collison to replace IT, and he's done a much much better job at PG than IT ever has. Upgrade +
-He signed Omri Casspi, and he's been a decent role player when healthy. Not a lot of positives nor negatives about Casspi.
-He fired Malone at a terrible inexcusable time with a lame excuse. Poor handling of the situation all around at the time, still a questionable firing and didn't hire the replacement coach immediately.
-Poor handling of the fan's backfiring, but tried to come on air to take questions
-Poor handling of Karl rumors because he let a lot of things out. He can't prevent leaks, but leaks come from somewhere, maybe even his co-workers or friends
-Hired George Karl and gave Corbin a job in the FO.

This is not a terrible no good bad GM we're talking about... we still don't know where the call to fire Malone came from. (Usually comes from owner)

I think Pete still deserves a chance at GM. His player evaluation has been very good and he's assembled a decent roster. He's been very active and has had Sacramento's name in almost every trade available.

His only bust moves are the handling of the IT and Malone scenarios. I think he's done a decent job at GM. If you want to look a terrible GM, google Kahn. Kahn makes Pete look like the Michael Jordan of GMs.
 
206Fan said:
no.
-He gave Cousins a max at the time when a lot of people were really questioning his maturity
-He traded an overpaid Tyreke for reasonable pieces that resulted in Rudy Gay.
-He got rid of Marcus Thornton and his terrible contract.
-He made a small tiny gamble with swapping an injury prone M'bah for a former 2nd round pick..Derrick Williams. It hasn't paid off, but it's not like Mbah killed it in Minnesota with his 3.3ppg average..
-Overpaid 1-2million for role player Carl Landry. He's a solid bench guy, but overpaid a bit.
-He drafted Ben McLemore who's been a solid 3&D guy in his 2nd season.
-He drafted Nik Stauskas who's had limited PT this year( not a bust by any means, and most rookies barely see any PT).
-He undersold IT with the returns he received no doubt about it. He should've moved IT once he figured that IT wasn't in his plans. Poor handling of trading away a fan favorite and got a useless trade exemption for it.
-He signed Darren Collison to replace IT, and he's done a much much better job at PG than IT ever has. Upgrade +
-He signed Omri Casspi, and he's been a decent role player when healthy. Not a lot of positives nor negatives about Casspi.
-He fired Malone at a terrible inexcusable time with a lame excuse. Poor handling of the situation all around at the time, still a questionable firing and didn't hire the replacement coach immediately.
-Poor handling of the fan's backfiring, but tried to come on air to take questions
-Poor handling of Karl rumors because he let a lot of things out. He can't prevent leaks, but leaks come from somewhere, maybe even his co-workers or friends
-Hired George Karl and gave Corbin a job in the FO.

This is not a terrible no good bad GM we're talking about... we still don't know where the call to fire Malone came from. (Usually comes from owner)

I think Pete still deserves a chance at GM. His player evaluation has been very good and he's assembled a decent roster. He's been very active and has had Sacramento's name in almost every trade available.

His only bust moves are the handling of the IT and Malone scenarios. I think he's done a decent job at GM. If you want to look a terrible GM, google Kahn. Kahn makes Pete look like the Michael Jordan of GMs.
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I actually appreciate your assessment. Agree with you on a lot, but respectfully disagree with you on a few things. Would you argue amongst the 30 GMs in the league, is he in the bottom half or the top half? For every move he's made that I've actually liked in trading for Gay, signing Collison, he's made an equal bonehead move in signing Landry to a big contract, letting IT go for nothing, drafted Nik (who I argue is showing huge bust signs), and firing Malone.

Even after all of these moves, we might win just about the same amount of games as last year.
 
Oh, like thousands of Kings fans are rushing to give the little sniveling twerp Geoff Petrie-like,"In Petey We Trust." D'Alessandro will never come anywhere near remotely sniffing Petrie's jock strap. This rookie GM is exact opposite of Petrie's adroit professionalism, calmness, keeping all of it close to the vest, building up decades of respect with other NBA executives and fans alike. Little Petey makes strategic mistake, takes gleeful responsibility for it, compounding stupid error in monumental PR debacle dragging on for weeks. Yes, he finally dug out of this one with Karl hiring but what profound damage to his self-conned, "I'm not an idiot" reputation.
 
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rainmaker said:
My question is still clear and to the point.

How long until we fire this weasel?

Replace his ass this summer. Karl does not fix the gross incompetence and negligence running rampant through our FO and the chaotic culture which PDA has played a large part in cultivating. Both he and Mullin have to go. If you're a George Karl fan and want him to succeed, your concern should be how best to put Karl in a position to succeed. That requires cleaning house within our FO and getting the backstabbing, unprofessional meddlers a one-way ticket out of town.

Karl BTW fully appears like he would have taken any chance to get back into the league as a head coach and was begging for a job. It's not like PDA pulled off some wizardry in signing him. Even then, PDA mishandled this publicly more than any sports franchise I can remember.
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You are such a wizard. Remind me of myself 10 years ago. :) Perhaps he and Mullin should go. What does Mullin do? I am perfectly willing to blame him for the mess. Perhaps better yet the FO organization needs to be evaluated. A guy who has the owner's year but is answerable only to the owner creates confusion. That's Mullin.
 
Haha people give gms credit for maxing out franchise players on there rookie deal. Give me a break.
I'll give him Gay but firing malone might be an unforgivable act I too want him gone. I'm not even gonna get into firing malone but Couple things.

1.) there's a SG out there getting 17-5-6 while playing defense that was traded. Oh and he's only 25 years old 11mill per year is not over paying for him.

2.) I wasn't the biggest IT fan but for what we traded for him come on son. That's 13-15ppg off the bench given away and they didn't even talk to him in the off season real class move.

3.) Nik over Peyton. You can say it's early all you want but Peyton is a stud. Dude will be an elite defender and since starting for orlando he's been averaging 10-7 great numbers for a rookie.

We could have a big 3 of Tyreke/Gay/Cousins with Collison off the bench. As a small market team you don't let talent like that walk we won't sign free agents here whether you like it or not. Tyreke at 11mill can always be traded and if you knew you wanted no part of IT than why not move him at last years deadline.
 
He's done very little worthy of respect.

I don't want to hear about the Boogie resigning nonsense. That's pathetic wannabe crap trying to cling on to a big star like a mollusk and take credit for it. The whole bleeping organization wanted to do that before PDA even existed except as basement troll in Denver. Vivek, Shaq, PDA had no clout. They didn't resign Boogie for PDA. If he's lucky he got the question right when he geeked out with Vivek and aced the D&D session that served as hiring interview.

He made a single trade, WITH HIS OLD DENVER MENTOR, for Rudy Gay. Its the only thing he's proven he could do. Trade with a guy he knows who wants to dump a contract on him. His big move causing renewed adulation amongst those determined to be pleased is hiring a coaching candidate so obvious that 99% of fans would have made the same call, AND WHO AGAIN IS HIS OLD BOSS FROM DENVER. What an innovator with leaguewide knowledge we have. Guess you don't get out much when you're in a Denver basement. We have a less talented roster than we did when he arrived, multiple former Kings who he traded away are playing major roles on playoff contenders this year in New Orleans, Portland, Phoenix, Toronto. He fired one of the most respected young coaches in the game, because PDA's a wannabe and couldn't handle being ignored by somebody who likely had contempt for him. And most of all, the team has not advanced one bit under his tenure. It HAD advanced a bit solely through Michael Malone's work, as our morons painfully found out. But of course Michael Malone wasn't hired by Pete. He was just fired by him out of insecurity. Powered by an emergent DeMarcus Cousins far greater than the DeMarcus Cousins that Pete inherited -- because DeMarcus Cousins wasn't drafted by Pete either -- he has somehow made the rest of the roster and environment so toxic that we haven't gotten one game better. We're exactly where we were 2 years ago with the Maloofs trying to steal the team and Keith bleepin' Smart as coach.

So no, excuse me, but no.


Now looking forward I don't see how George Karl won't improve things. He has won too much wherever he's gone. But PDA's attempt to re-mollusk and latch onto Karl's success will hold no more water with me than his attempt to latch onto Boogie the same way. He's a small man in more ways than stature.
 
206Fan said:
I wonder if most who are calling him out right now would say it in front of him.. crown downtown has a lot of room in their bus...

You know what... 29 other teams missed on Lopez. 29 other teams missed on Withey.

People are discrediting all the good he's actually done as a GM.
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captain bill said:
Any questions?

Maxed DMC, picked up Rudy and signed him to a favorable extension, locked up DC on a good deal, and signed George Karl, the most decorated available coach and a former colleague, to a sweetheart deal.
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Some of you just don't get it. I'm honestly to the point where I think some of these "members" are plants.

Let's go through the list of decisions PDA has made. I will rate them on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being a horrible decision, 5 being a meh decision or a no brainer decision, 10 being a great decision)
  1. Drafted Ben McLemore with the 7th pick (7 - he was one of the best available players who feel to us and has been showing good progress this year. He looked to be a good fit with Cousins and Evans going forward. However, there have been players who have already shown to be more valuable that were drafted after him.)
  2. Drafted Ray McCallum with the 36th pick (8 - he's been a very productive 2nd round pick for us and will likely get better with time. Withey at the time made sense as a backup for Cousins and he has played well.)
  3. Trading Tyreke Evans for Greivis Vasquez and a 2nd round pick (2 - traded a player who is averaging 17 - 6 - 6 with good defense, size, youth, and athleticism for a backup PG who plays poor defense and a 2nd round pick. Major talent bleed.)
  4. Sign Carl Landry for $27 mil/4 years (1 - when needing a defensive big to pair with Cousins, we sign Landry who is redundant and small. Not to mention we overpaid for him and decided to keep him on the books for 4 years.)
  5. Extended Demarcus Cousins to a max deal (5 - no brainer. Any semi-competent GM would have made this move.)
  6. Trading a 2nd round pick for Mbah a Moute (5 - meh trade. Brought in a defensive role player for our defensive coach.)
  7. Trading Mbah a Moute for Derrick Williams (6 - bit of a no risk trade that brought in a young SF to prove he could take over the starting job.)
  8. Trading Greivis Vasquez, Chuck Hayes, Patrick Patterson, John Salmons for Rudy Gay, Quincy Acy, Aaron Gray (9 - took a limited risk on a trade that could have netted us a big reward. Gay was revitalized here and has shown to be a good robin to Cousins' batman.)
  9. Trade Marcus Thornton for Jason Terry and Reggie Evans (5 - meh trade that just moved around ending contracts and left us with less depth at the guard spots.)
  10. Drafted Nik Stauskas with the 8th pick (5 - the jury is still out on the pick. However, I personally was okay with taking Stauskas where we took him. I think he will be a good player in this league)
  11. Trade Isaiah Thomas for a TPE (2 - it was very likely somebody was going to drop a decent size contract for Thomas. Probably one we wouldn't want to match. Why in the hell would you wait until the offseason when you have no leverage? Trade him at the deadline where you can get some value for him. Another major talent bleed.)
  12. Sign Darren Collison to 3 year MLE (8 - Collison has looked good and has been willing to play as a team in order to feed Cousins and Gay. His deal is good value as well)
  13. Sign Ramon Sessions for $4.25 mil/2 years (3 - has been an absolute disaster while here. I would rate this lower, but the fact that the deal isn't that big keeps this at a 3)
  14. Sign Omri Casspi to Veteran Minimum (5 - no brainer deal)
  15. Sign Eric Moreland to Veteran Minimum (5 - no brainer deal)
  16. Extend Rudy Gay for $40 mil/3 years (5 - no brainer deal. It's hard to lure big time free agents to Sacramento and Gay showed he was compatible with Cousins. Easy decision)
  17. Fire Mike Malone as Head Coach (-3 - I know I said I would keep it on a 1-10 scale but this decision was just too bad. After going 9-6 with a healthy Cousins with the 2nd toughest schedule at the time, Cousins gets sick and we drop to 11-13. From there, Malone is fired. We finally had a coach who had gotten through to the players, and the players wanted to go out every night and battle for him. He had a great relationship with Cousins, and they both had each others back. It's unheard of to fire a coach who was performing so well. Complete incompetence and most likely one of the dumbest decisions I will see made by a FO in my life.)
  18. Promote Tyrone Corbin as Head Coach (1 - So not only did you make one of the worst decisions a FO has ever made, but you had no plan to replace Malone with a competent coach? Yikes! Thanks for throwing the season down the drain, breaking up chemistry that was being developed by our team, and making us look like a joke so free agents will not want to come here (or make it harder to keep current players in town).)
  19. Fire Tyrone Corbin as Head Coach (5 - no brainer. He lost the team awhile ago and was going through the motions. Had absolutely no success coaching this team and deserved to be fired)
  20. Hire George Karl as Head Coach (5 - no brainer, and frankly, we're all a little upset why this didn't happen right after Malone was fired.
  21. Intangibles - how they have conducted business and represented our franchise (1 - I don't think there is a worse GM in the league at conducting himself in a professional way. All of the lies, leaked rumors, backstabbing has made this franchise look like a circus. Just think about how other players, fans, and the public view our team? We look like children to them, and we have our FO to thanks for that. Not only do we look like children, but we look like dumb children who want to build a team around pace and offense when you have a team with Cousins and Gay on it. Their intellect, vision, and professionalism are all lacking. Therefore, they earn a well deserved 1.)
If you want to take strict average it comes out to 4.3, but obviously there are decisions that have more weight than others. For instance, a 1st round draft pick decision would have more importance than a 2nd round pick decision, but I'm not going to go through and arbitrarily assign weights to each decision (I've already arbitrarily assigned my own ratings for each decision).

The good?
Draftng McLemore
Drafting McCallum
Trading for Gay
Signing Collison

The bad?
Getting barely anything for Evans
Signing Carl Landry
Getting virtually nothing for Thomas
Firing Coach Malone
Promoting Corbin as Head Coach
Intangibles, professionalism, etc.

The rest of the decisions are meh or no brainers. Nothing that should really be scorned and nothing that should really be praised.

I think (along with the majority of posters here) that the FO's bad decisions have certainly outweighed the good ones. Therefore, we would prefer a new GM. Make sense?
 
randymoss1881 said:
Haha people give gms credit for maxing out franchise players on there rookie deal. Give me a break.
I'll give him Gay but firing malone might be an unforgivable act I too want him gone. I'm not even gonna get into firing malone but Couple things.

1.) there's a SG out there getting 17-5-6 while playing defense that was traded. Oh and he's only 25 years old 11mill per year is not over paying for him.

2.) I wasn't the biggest IT fan but for what we traded for him come on son. That's 13-15ppg off the bench given away and they didn't even talk to him in the off season real class move.

3.) Nik over Peyton. You can say it's early all you want but Peyton is a stud. Dude will be an elite defender and since starting for orlando he's been averaging 10-7 great numbers for a rookie.

We could have a big 3 of Tyreke/Gay/Cousins with Collison off the bench. As a small market team you don't let talent like that walk we won't sign free agents here whether you like it or not. Tyreke at 11mill can always be traded and if you knew you wanted no part of IT than why not move him at last years deadline.
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Yeah letting Tyreke go hurt, would love him running the pg here, would have taken care of so much defensive woe.

Pete got nothing for IT so he takes a hit.

Now I need more information though, if Vivek wanted Landry for example, and we could not afford IT off the bench for that, well I'll be easier on Pete. But if he wanted Landry I in part blame him for the IT debacle too.
 
Iced Espresso said:
Yeah letting Tyreke go hurt, would love him running the pg here, would have taken care of so much defensive woe.

Pete got nothing for IT so he takes a hit.

Now I need more information though, if Vivek wanted Landry for example, and we could not afford IT off the bench for that, well I'll be easier on Pete. But if he wanted Landry I in part blame him for the IT debacle too.
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The problem is we can't just give him credit for the good moves and Vivek for the bad. All we can do is measure him by their record and the tasks assigned to a gm. On the record, we haven't improved at all and worse the moves made have countered any good he had done.

At best, you say it's to soon to tell. At worst you say his moves outside the obvious ones have set the team back. Praising him for where we are is ridiculous.
 
sdballer said:
The problem is we can't just give him credit for the good moves and Vivek for the bad. All we can do is measure him by their record and the tasks assigned to a gm. On the record, we haven't improved at all and worse the moves made have countered any good he had done.

At best, you say it's to soon to tell. At worst you say his moves outside the obvious ones have set the team back. Praising him for where we are is ridiculous.
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Very true.

I guess if you read between the lines, I'm just really curious about how much tinkering Vivek and Mullin do is all. On paper Pete gets a C at the most. Giving him a C is being overly kind and assuming some things were out of his hands.
 
Hard to get behind a guy who apparently tweets his every move and thought to the media ... I have this idea of what a GM should be... And the things a GM should be doing. He has not done any of those things at a respectable or high enough level for me to justify saying that PDA is the man.

A legitimate question remains in just how much Vivek has tied PDA's hands and interjected/forced PDA to do certain things. I just don't know the answer to that.
 
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