PDA on the way out??

[Iced Espresso]

I thought it was going to take me a day or two, but that was so brutal I had to keep listening.

Sickening.

I'll say Corbin, Cousins, Malone, Casspi, Thomas, and Rudy have some class and character for not becoming absolutely livid about this and spilling the beans.

That's the positive, we had and have some people with class who must have been extremely tempted to lash back but kept their mouths shut.

 

[bajaden]

Even though Petrie has a plethora of experience that Vlade can utilize, I can't help but remember Petrie's draft and transaction in 2011 and 2012. I don't know if his transactions were magoof influenced or that the draft was his own doing

One example of the Maloofs interfering is, and I don't have the source in front of me anymore, but I posted it before, and its that Petrie was all set to draft Lillard, and the Maloofs told him he had to draft a PF, which they felt was a need. Thus we ended up with Robinson. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[dude12]

Ouch. James Ham says D'Alessandro has burned every bridge in the organization and no one will shed any tears if he packs up and leaves.

http://cowbellkingdom.podbean.com/e/cowbell-kingdom-podcast-ep-201-the-pete-dalessandro-situation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed: CowbellKingdom (Cowbell Kingdom Podcast)

Also (and I've never heard this before) it comes up that Malone didn't push for the Landry signing. That he liked Malone in GS but that he didn't push for it in any way and the signing was Pete's. That was one I always pinned on Malone.

This POS, PDA, sure has set us back...and I should throw in there Mullin. I'm going to give Vivek a shred of hope in that he's potentially coming around as a good owner and its started with Karl and then the Vlade signings. The Vlade signing, potentially, can re-ignite this franchise and steady the ship. It's a very smart move as far as public relations....Vlade is beloved here....now the ball is in Vlade's court. I have faith in him and his leadership.

This makes me reflect on when PDA was flabbergasted at why there would be such a backlash over firing a coach. Couldn't have been more out of touch. What a turd.

 

[dude12]

One example of the Maloofs interfering is, and I don't have the source in front of me anymore, but I posted it before, and its that Petrie was all set to draft Lillard, and the Maloofs told him he had to draft a PF, which they felt was a need. Thus we ended up with Robinson. Take that for what it's worth.

I recall that clear as day. Petrie and his staff loved Lillard's workouts and he was going to be the pick....furthermore, I believe it was Petrie who said he would not draft a player that he hadn't seen workout or didnt workout for them and yet, here comes Thomas Robinson, who fell to them.

 

[bajaden]

Ouch. James Ham says D'Alessandro has burned every bridge in the organization and no one will shed any tears if he packs up and leaves.

http://cowbellkingdom.podbean.com/e/cowbell-kingdom-podcast-ep-201-the-pete-dalessandro-situation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed: CowbellKingdom (Cowbell Kingdom Podcast)

Also (and I've never heard this before) it comes up that Malone didn't push for the Landry signing. That he liked Malone in GS but that he didn't push for it in any way and the signing was Pete's. That was one I always pinned on Malone.

I listened to the podcast earlier. For those that don't know, it's 90 minutes long, but worth the listen. If you didn't like PDA before, you'll really hate him after listening to it. The stuff about the hiring of Corbin, and how they tried to hire Rambis as his lead assistant without even telling him, and then how PDA dragged his feet on Corbin's contract. Just amazing stuff. I think Hamm summed it up when he said something along the lines of, if PDA and Malone happened into each other walking down the street, there would probably be a fist fight, and that Malone would try and throw a bench at him. When you listen to all the events in chronilogical order, which is how they presented it, it's amazing that PDA is still with the team.

 

[Iced Espresso]

I wouldn't be surprised if blackmail was involved if this is true.

 

[funkykingston]

This POS, PDA, sure has set us back...and I should throw in there Mullin. I'm going to give Vivek a shred of hope in that he's potentially coming around as a good owner and its started with Karl and then the Vlade signings. The Vlade signing, potentially, can re-ignite this franchise and steady the ship. It's a very smart move as far as public relations....Vlade is beloved here....now the ball is in Vlade's court. I have faith in him and his leadership.

This makes me reflect on when PDA was flabbergasted at why there would be such a backlash over firing a coach. Couldn't have been more out of touch. What a turd.

I was in the room at KHTK when he said that. It was in response to a question about people potentially not renewing their season tickets and PDA's response was almost incredulity at the notion as he said, "Over a coach?"

I honestly couldn't believe he said it and it made me angry.

 

[dude12]

I was in the room at KHTK when he said that. It was in response to a question about people potentially not renewing their season tickets and PDA's response was almost incredulity at the notion as he said, "Over a coach?"

I honestly couldn't believe he said it and it made me angry.

Ahhhh...that's right, I do recall that you were there now and the situation.

He needs to go to St Johns. I'd also like to know where Bratz stands. From my understanding, he was part of the PDA/Mullin crapshow.

 

[Iced Espresso]

“When I bought the team, I didn’t know anybody, and what I have discovered is that the NBA culture tends to be more of a ‘crony’ culture than Silicon Valley. ‘This is my guy. Hire this guy.’ I want loyal people, and Vlade is loyal.” – Vivek Ranadive

http://aroyalpain.com/2015/05/10/did-vivek-ranadive-finally-fix-the-sacramento-kings/

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I recall that clear as day. Petrie and his staff loved Lillard's workouts and he was going to be the pick....furthermore, I believe it was Petrie who said he would not draft a player that he hadn't seen workout or didnt workout for them and yet, here comes Thomas Robinson, who fell to them.

very unfortunate. we could've had another building block.

“When I bought the team, I didn’t know anybody, and what I have discovered is that the NBA culture tends to be more of a ‘crony’ culture than Silicon Valley. ‘This is my guy. Hire this guy.’ I want loyal people, and Vlade is loyal.” – Vivek Ranadive

http://aroyalpain.com/2015/05/10/did-vivek-ranadive-finally-fix-the-sacramento-kings/

not gonna give vivek the pass yet. we'll see if he has his fingers in the draft picking process again. maybe he learned to let the pros do their job from now on.

it makes me wonder who leaked the 4 on 5 stuff. gerbil? mully? bratz? malone?

 

[Sac.Kings]

Didn't comment on this topic yet, but there is not much more I can add that hasn't been said. Pete has had 2 seasons to turn this ship around, and he may have had something with Malone and gang, but scuttled it because Mullin was whispering sweet nothings into his ear. He has lost the trust of Vivek and I get the sense that once something like that happens with Vivek, you're finished making decisions of any kind. He should leave, both for our sake and his. He has clearly lost all of his control, which is something he seems to crave. This will lead him to be upset here and be a cancer to the team in general. Best to get rid of him before it becomes a big problem.

He was inexperienced and was a slow/reluctant learner. He craves power, even though he is undeserving. In my eyes, he cannot leave fast enough. I hope this doesn't drag out.

 

[hrdboild]

“When I bought the team, I didn’t know anybody, and what I have discovered is that the NBA culture tends to be more of a ‘crony’ culture than Silicon Valley. ‘This is my guy. Hire this guy.’ I want loyal people, and Vlade is loyal.” – Vivek Ranadive

http://aroyalpain.com/2015/05/10/did-vivek-ranadive-finally-fix-the-sacramento-kings/

That's pretty much the death sentence for PDA. He got the job off a strong recommendation from Chris Mullin so it's not hard to see who he's taking about here.

 

[Entity]

Why in the capital f is he still around? I mean shouldn't he have been fired by now?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i don't think vivek wants to pay him his last year of salary since he's paid 3 coaches in 1 effing season lmfao. he hires people smarter than him...

 

[Bricklayer]

“When I bought the team, I didn’t know anybody, and what I have discovered is that the NBA culture tends to be more of a ‘crony’ culture than Silicon Valley. ‘This is my guy. Hire this guy.’ I want loyal people, and Vlade is loyal.” – Vivek Ranadive

http://aroyalpain.com/2015/05/10/did-vivek-ranadive-finally-fix-the-sacramento-kings/

I was up and complaining about that LONG before it was cool.

A Golden State and Denver stain invaded the franchise and spread like cancer. All started when a newb owner unfortunately picked up a parasite in Golden State, and arrived in town with a failed GM on his shoulder. And so Mullin begat PDA. And PDA begat Bratz, Oliver, now Karl while chasing out Malone and Shareef. And now we're cleansing it back the other way as out goes Mullin, out goes PDA, and I have an evil eye on Bratz. you would thingk despite the Denver stain Oliver might have a use as the famous geek metric guru, but don't know.

BTW, the buzzword there: Loyalty. Its the right word to use around Cousins, even though after everything he's seen mere words aren't going to get it done. Ironically just a day or two before Karl opened his mouth yet again with the "nobody's untradeable" bit, Cousins had put these up on twitter:

 

[jcwkings]

So PDA operated to keep himself employed. Everything from defacing the character of Isaiah, to the Malone handling and everything that followed.

 

[rainmaker]

And people complained about PDA being labelled a gerbil and a weasel? We went too easy on this conniving, backstabbing, self serving douche. I have a lot of thoughts but I'll wait until I get a chance to listen to the podcast. Thanks for the outline IfAt1st.

However, this all happened on Vivek's watch. It appears the issues started well, well before Malone was fired. Was he oblivious to it? Head just not in the game? Incompetent regarding how an NBA FO should and shouldn't work? On vacation? We hear how hands on and active Vivek has been and all of this **** going on right under his nose raises a lot of questions. Does he simply say he's active for fan perception, but only show up at games and sit courtside? Or has he had his sleeves rolled up and somehow missed all of this? Or did he know all along these problems were increasing but didn't have the backbone to do something about it.

Seems the only people with any class are the ones who left. But for how much Vivek talked about culture, this surely raises a helluva lot of questions. Thank god that Vlade was willing to put on his boots and step into this steaming pile of dog **** and attempt to get us back in the direction we were previously.

 

[ParniValjak]

Ouch. James Ham says D'Alessandro has burned every bridge in the organization and no one will shed any tears if he packs up and leaves.

http://cowbellkingdom.podbean.com/e/cowbell-kingdom-podcast-ep-201-the-pete-dalessandro-situation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed: CowbellKingdom (Cowbell Kingdom Podcast)

Also (and I've never heard this before) it comes up that Malone didn't push for the Landry signing. That he liked Malone in GS but that he didn't push for it in any way and the signing was Pete's. That was one I always pinned on Malone.

Here is the thing! Aaron Bruski's reporting on the relocation and arena issue was exceptional and to be honest, he has not missed since either but because his opinion has not been popular (albeit it has proven to be correct more often than not) he has copped a lot of flak from Kings faithful.

He has been consistent in his updates and they are proving to be correct. He has said many times that there is a fraction in the front office and ownership. He has reported many times that PDA has burnt bridges and has lost the respect of every player in the locker room and that the leak about DMC stopping George Karl hiring was going to cost us and damage the realtionship between the franchise and the franchise player. All that just to knock off a few dollars from George Karl's salary!

Simple fact here is that PDA is a dead man walking regardless of whether he sticks around next year or not. There is no way, shape or form in which he will get contract extension with us. Just no way! So if he ends up going and ushered throug the door, good ****ing riddance! We cut out two cancers eating the franchise from inside out in a space of a few months in PDA and Mullin! That can only be a huge win for us. We get rid of the causes of most of our problems. We rebuild the relationship with our franchise player by getting rid of the cancer that spoilt it. If that means that Geoff Petrie is back in an advisory role until we find a capologist to round out the back office, then so be it! Even without PDA and without that replacement we are better off because we are getting rid of the cause of our problems and giving us another chance with DMC!

If I was Vivek, I would pay out PDA and regardless of whether he is willing or not to take that St. John's job. He will never again be a GM of an NBA franchise. His actions this season will make sure of that. He has caused more trouble in his time here in terms of tarnishing any goodwill and momentum this franchise had...the place is in worse position than when he took over. He let Evans and IT walk for a bag of chips. Two of our top 3 players whe he took over. He canned a coach that the player would go to war with and his constant leaks to the media to wash himself of any wrong doing has caused this franchise some serious, potentially irreversible damage. That is not the type of person you want around! EVER! Good riddance!

 

[Henkel]

That was painful. Pete's been much maligned at this point, but when presented all at once the degree of self interest and underhanded tactics to go a long with good old fashion incompetence is staggering. Nothing but sympathy for Malone and the players and hopefully this shines a new light on some of the dubious rumor thrown around here and in the media.

 

[lawlman91]

(whispering) "I want a jazz band, I want a jazz band."
51:39 best quote

 

[Chicken Chaser]

Can anyone shed light on the crowd sourcing stunt for last year's draft pick? Was that all PR?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Can anyone shed light on the crowd sourcing stunt for last year's draft pick? Was that all PR?

he likes to be in the news on everything little thing. i don't know if he was trying to make it seem like he was busy running on the hamster wheel or what but it got annoying after a while.

 

[Albatros]

I listened to that podcast and I apologise for insinuating that PDA was being "falsely accused" by some people. Simply had no idea the kind of "tactics" that have flown around the FO.

eye opener.

 

[Gilles]

Sorry, but I think this should be mentioned in case someone forgot: Bruski is unapologetic IT fan, so he's biased to say the least, when it's anything regarding Thomas.

Those repeated "Stauskas? Stauskas? Stauskas?" by Vivek kinda make sense now: while PDA convinced Vivek, that it should be Stauskas, Vivek wasn't 100% sure, but when no one contradicted, Stauskas it was.

 

[Larry David]

This is worth the entire listen. Its a coherent and logical dissection of the last two years from people with sources and more importantly a willingness to be honest and frank.

Huge props to everyone that called out PDA early and called his KHTK presser for what it was. It's been clear for 12 months that what is happening there and what most of KHTK and the Bee reports doesn't make sense and isn't coherent.

This calls Pete for what he is. Says a fair amount about Vivek, but seems to pull some punches on him because he's staying. How crazy is it that an NBA owner has his biggest minority owners (Mark Mastrov?) seriously ready to sell their shares in a team as the watch the owner set his fan base on fire defiantly holding onto the insane notion that Corbin (who the team needlessly and negligenty extended) could either finish the season out or turn the corner and win some games ... while his GM works the media to campaign for the candidacy of another coach. The fan base, the ownership group and frankly the city's budget in a couple of years were in peril because Vivek has neither a gut for the calls he has to make nor any willingness to admit he was wrong and reverse course.

If you haven't listened yet or take another run, I think it's very fair to say there are some really fair questions about when Carmichael Dave's crap detector either did or should have gone off. I like Dave. I really do. I think he was blessed with unreal access, liked PDA as a person and had the mindset of: overall this is best for both the fans, city and team; we all spin and this stuff; and it's just sports ... But from about Christmas to March he was in Grant during the Maloofs worst spin mode. Fans were shoveled a load of crap that didn't make much sense from folks that should have known better ... And that's not just Dave. That's happened way too much in this town for more than 5 years. The paper is certainly just as bad.

Five years and two different owners. The team and the media should no longer get the benefit of the doubt on anything that doesn't seem to make sense and many things that we get killed for nationally. For many years the local press claimed thing were ok and they knew what was going on were wrong or lying to keep you listening and coming to games. If they have misled us for this long excusing the coverage as spin for the greater good ... Why won't that continue at least from time to time?

A lot of teams and media suck ... But you don't have to be disgusting about it. It's still a really dark time for this sad sack franchise

 

[Larry David]

This vetting of the facts and issues on the podcast also illustrate why the "the past is the past, things are better let's move on" is total nonsense.

We didn't get the facts or logical or objective analysis at the time from the media. We are still just getting those 5 months later.

The folks pushing us to move forward either failed to do thier jobs by figuring out what was going on and proving those facts or actively mislead folks (to various degrees) because they thought it was for the best. So I get why they want to move on and not ask what they knew and when they knew it. What happened this winter matters going forward. Who we should question when they talk and to what degree does as well.

This fan base lives in the distant past -- 10-15 years ago -- more than most teams ... Sadly for good reason. But with the same owner and a lot of key staff coming back, it's not relevant or productive to discuss new revalaions about how an ownership group nearly imploded after 18 months on the job? That's still the elephant in the room

 

[Dime Dropper]

God it's hard to listen to Bruski gush about IT. He's one deluded man, regardless of whether he gets other stuff right. I mean they have some solid points about IT, but Bruski consistently over-rates him. In one breath he criticises Tyreke and in the next gushes about IT. It's weird.

 

[Warhawk]

I listened to that podcast and I apologise for insinuating that PDA was being "falsely accused" by some people. Simply had no idea the kind of "tactics" that have flown around the FO.

eye opener.

Better late than never, I guess.

 

[Albatros]

Better late than never, I guess.

I'll try to be on time for the next thing that goes down.

 

[Warhawk]

God it's hard to listen to Bruski gush about IT. He's one deluded man, regardless of whether he gets other stuff right. I mean they have some solid points about IT, but Bruski consistently over-rates him. In one breath he criticises Tyreke and in the next gushes about IT. It's weird.

Listening to the whole thing now. Only about 20 minutes in at this point, but I also wish AB would get off IT's jock. It's bad enough with him on Twitter sometimes, but he's doing it again. Like you said - very weird. Otherwise I really like him.

Oh, and I hate Ham. Personally can't stand the guy. Have a hard time listening to this just because of that alone.