[Game] Orlando Magic @ Sacramento Kings, 1/3/24,7p PST/10p EST

[iowamcnabb]

I’ve been doing a little digging and I believe 25 3 pointers made by the Magic is the most made by a team in a loss.

Looks like it’s second most. The first? Last year when we beat the Clips 176-175 . They had 26

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

I know it’s been said but I’m really happy with the fact that Keegan took and made that 3 after throwing up a wounded duck earlier. That is a really good sign for a guy to step up in a big monend swish it. Difference maker on the boards too especially offensive rebounds

He hit two big threes in the OTs, along with a big denial of Banchero at the end of an OT or fourth quarter (can’t recall). He was big for us.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Orlando fans mostly moan about Sabonis:
"Crazy how sabonis can drive his shoulder into and break our guys nose and probably give him a concussion with no call"
"There's a reason Sabonis regresses into a 4th-5th option on offense in the playoffs and can't manage to stay out of foul trouble. He plays dirty, does alot of sneaky foul, pushes alot. Overall he's just a **** player"
"Imagine if we didn't trade Sebonis. That would be a crazy front line"
"Monk cooked every one of our guards and whenever we tried to switch but gotta say he got some really "favorable" screens from Sabonis."

Almost every game I see an opposing player complain about his ramming technique but it’s legal stuff. He is just a bull. He pays prices for that as we know with all the shots to the face he takes.

 

[hrdboild]

Just looked at Sabonis’ numbers and i had no clue. Why doesn’t anyone talk about him?? wtf

I think it says a lot that the guy had a 22/23/12 night and we all collectively sortof shrugged at it while it was happening because he's been so good this season that we expect that level of play from him at this point. He also was flirting with another double-digit turnover night by the third quarter so in some way not talking about his numbers seemed safer. And to his credit, he stopped turning the ball over from that point on.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

you missed your opportunity to say


James Ham

A lot of people in other forums seem to put a lot of stock into the educated speculation that Ham sells as inside info. I try to forget about him when I can avoid him because I know he's just scrubbing various Kings forum for ideas and repeating them

Person who shared that with me is a 40+ year friend, and I guess I should also say that I'm the one who first broached the subject of Fox being ill, in just a "wtf is up with Fox, is he sick or hurt" kind of way. It was just kind of weird that he casually, but definitively said "yes" to the sick.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Orlando fans mostly moan about Sabonis:
"Crazy how sabonis can drive his shoulder into and break our guys nose and probably give him a concussion with no call"
"There's a reason Sabonis regresses into a 4th-5th option on offense in the playoffs and can't manage to stay out of foul trouble. He plays dirty, does alot of sneaky foul, pushes alot. Overall he's just a **** player"
"Imagine if we didn't trade Sebonis. That would be a crazy front line"
"Monk cooked every one of our guards and whenever we tried to switch but gotta say he got some really "favorable" screens from Sabonis."

I guess that's one way to look at it if you just blatantly ignore all the times he gets abused without a call. I'd still argue Sabonis comes up on the losing end of that battle more than he gets away with dirty play.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I think it says a lot that the guy had a 22/23/12 night and we all collectively sortof shrugged at it while it was happening because he's been so good this season that we expect that level of play from him at this point. He also was flirting with another double-digit turnover night by the third quarter so in some way not talking about his numbers seemed safer. And to his credit, he stopped turning the ball over from that point on.

He plays the old fashioned way which isn't as exciting to some as the new everyone is Jimmer style.
It would be like if an NFL team had a RB run for 200 yards every single game and won 21-14 games and ate up gobs of TOP but never had plays over 20 yards at a time.

 

[captain bill]

I’ve been doing a little digging and I believe 25 3 pointers made by the Magic is the most made by a team in a loss.

I'd love to see highest 3 point percentage in regulation without a win. Magic were 67% from 3 at one point, and ending 4 quarters at that clip without a win - heck without a blowout - seems rare

 

[Capt. Factorial]

As Slim pointed out earlier, it only seems like teams go off on us. Believe me, Ive felt the same way but we are right in the middle for 3pt defense.

You may find after the overnight updates that we have dropped something like 8-10 slots in one game. It will depend on what other teams in the 26-28 range did tonight and how the Magic shot in the final few minutes of the game, but we had dropped 10 slots at one point. Not kidding.

That says something about how poorly we defended the three tonight. It also says something about the skew of the distribution - there wasn't all that much difference between middle of the pack and awful.

 

[hrdboild]

Banchero was scoring at will. I think Mike Brown was just trying to throw different looks at him.

If anyone taped this game, go back and count the number of times Banchero drove into the paint and threw up an attempt which didn't even come close to hitting the rim. Some of them didn't even reach the backboard. It felt like on at least half of his shot attempts in the paint he has was just ref-baiting, flailing wildly for calls. He also had 8 TO which should have been 10 TO -- that shot-clock violation wasn't credited as a TO in the box score for some reason and the ball he lost at the end of the game out of bounds was reversed erroneously.

I'm only harping on this because Banchero was the prize of that draft year and the same types of arguments which led to Keegan Murray being undervalued because of his play-style are also at play in creating this impression that Banchero is an elite scorer and Keegan is not. Most people are going to look at the box scores and see that Banchero scored 43 points and assume he had the better game but he got to 43 with 14 free throw attempts and a lot of them were absolute gifts. Keegan Murray quietly scored 28 points with zero help from the officials and, crucially, had 0 TO -- which is typical for him. He's been top 6 in TO% since he came into the league...

One guy plays under-control, mistake free basketball and scores primarily as an off-ball compliment to other playmakers and the other dominates almost every possession, throws the ball away routinely, drives into contact with no hope of finishing, and hunts foul calls all game long. Granted when you knock down 6 of 9 three point attempts it's hard to notice anything else but Banchero was the Rookie of the Year last year while shooting only 29.8% from three while Keegan Murray set the all-time rookie record for three pointers while shooting a blistering 41.1% in the process. It's a travesty to me that the wrong guy is being called a star.

 

[ick300]

Man , what a game ...
So sad i start working about 7 a.m. local time and had to miss the whole drama ...
Just picking from time to time !
Great win for the team and need one !
It is turn for Siakam to come ... and loose the game on friday

 

[KingsFanSince85]

As Slim pointed out earlier, it only seems like teams go off on us. .

It seems like it because it’s largely true. Teams (and scrubs) have been overachieving against the KINGS for decades. Part of it definitely is self-inflicted through poor play and taking teams and players lightly, but another part of it is just poor timing and bad luck.

People can laugh that off, but there’s historical truth in some franchises just being luckier than others wrt injuries, draft lotteries, officiating, timing, and a myriad of other things.

 

[Warhawk]

 

[Warhawk]

 

[Sac.Kings]

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Someone’s gotta do it, might as well be us! Also, we seem to be a pretty good OT team the last couple of seasons, which is very nice after losing most of them for a decade and a half!

 

[kingsboi]

20/13/8 on juuuuust under 60% from the field in Dec. He's upper-middle class man's Joker.

I don't think that's a proper analysis. Someone else already mentioned this in another thread once but he was right, Sabonis struggles to score and when he does, he has to work hard for it. Bang, bang bang inside, lower your shoulder. Take a hit across the head, arm, what have you. Jokic scores with ease both inside and out, you see the flow in his game. Not to take anything away from Sabonis and the importance for this team, he is the engine and Fox is the snake. I believe a proper way to look at it is he's a natural PG in a centers body and so with that said, if you envision him being a number two option next to Fox, well I just don't see that as a winning formula for the Postseason. I'd imagine Kings are hoping Murray turns into that, unless Monte can trade for another scorer without gutting his depth.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Like I predicted before game start - it was a good game.

FREE THROWS - this becomes an Achilles curse for the Kings. Today only 67% from the line (21 from 31) and we are the last team in whole NBA by %. You can win games when shooting good FT or you can lose, but luckily we won today.

It's a really big deal in these close games. Since the trend has become the norm for this roster and some of it's main players, would have to assume that it's likely to bite them in some big games.

Might seem small, but it really needs to change for them to move into contender status

 

[ESP47]

I don't necessarily mind JTA as a player, but I question bringing in a dude for the biggest possession of the game, ice cold, to cover Paolo who was going full scorched earth on us. It worked with the (apparently fake) forced TO, but man. Questionable call.

I was perfectly okay with it. Paolo was dominating whoever we had guarding him so why not try something different? It's not like our defenders were taking care of business at any point before that.

Either way that game took years off my life.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I was perfectly okay with it. Paolo was dominating whoever we had guarding him so why not try something different? It's not like our defenders were taking care of business at any point before that.

Either way that game took years off my life.

Kessler Edwards has more length and is arguably the best wing defender on this team, along with Murray. I have issue with him not being used in spots and bringing in Anderson to apparently play above him

 

[Jones2006]

I don't necessarily mind JTA as a player, but I question bringing in a dude for the biggest possession of the game, ice cold, to cover Paolo who was going full scorched earth on us. It worked with the (apparently fake) forced TO, but man. Questionable call.

It was baffling. Kessler Edwards is pretty much the prototype to guard Paolo well, yet didn’t get the call.

 

[forza kings]

It's a really big deal in these close games. Since the trend has become the norm for this roster and some of it's main players, would have to assume that it's likely to bite them in some big games.

Might seem small, but it really needs to change for them to move into contender status

I hardly remember seeing anyone making both free throws lately. Seems like they always miss one. Even Monk missed one at the end that would have finished the game without a second OT.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

A KINGS win means just ONE thing, Kings Fam Bam...

#BeamTheMuthaEffingLight

JUST.
MUTHA.
EFFING.
BEAM.
THAT.
ISH.

 

[206Fan]

Sure dude, whatever floats your boat. You did the same thing in the Keegan thread, you've done that with Huerter the whole year. You approach things through a massively negative lens lately and it's just not a whole lot of fun to read and digest. Sorry. I don't choose to view the Kings that way, partially because I'm a fan of this team and I want to believe the best in it. But I've been posting here long enough that people know I'll call out bad play/coaching/players/ideas when I see it. If you can't handle the slightest criticism to your postings, then yeah, maybe take a break from the forum and the team for awhile. Obviously getting to you too deeply.

Was it perfect? No. Our star player was atrocious. But how many games last year did we win in crunch time when Fox was off like this? We had 3 dudes step up in a major way (Domas/Monk/Murray) and pick up the slack for a pure gut-check win in 2OT on the second night of a B-B. After the gutless performance last night, I'll take that.

Does this mean I think we're destined to go win a title because we won this game? No. But I think this was a great response to the "effort" shown last night and the amount of heart the majority of guys played with.

How am I unable to handle any type of criticism when you’re going with personal attacks? I don’t care if you disagree with me, but look how you responded compared to iowamcnabb. I have nothing against creating open conversations with a place that allows disagreement and differing takes. But your literal response to another poster was telling them root for a new team because they had a differing opinion. But apparently I’m the problem because I think Keegan needed to shoot better than 26.2% from 3pt for the month of December? or for calling out Kevin Huerter for playing some of the worst basketball in his career? Or for stating that this was a “bad” win in my book because we let an Orlando team missing 2 starters and most of their rotational players nearly steal a home game where they were also coming off a back to back? A game where we had a completely healthy squad?

Calling someone a Debbie downer sounds emotionally charged. Not really sure that I’m the one who can’t handle “criticism.”

 

[206Fan]

If anyone taped this game, go back and count the number of times Banchero drove into the paint and threw up an attempt which didn't even come close to hitting the rim. Some of them didn't even reach the backboard. It felt like on at least half of his shot attempts in the paint he has was just ref-baiting, flailing wildly for calls. He also had 8 TO which should have been 10 TO -- that shot-clock violation wasn't credited as a TO in the box score for some reason and the ball he lost at the end of the game out of bounds was reversed erroneously.

I'm only harping on this because Banchero was the prize of that draft year and the same types of arguments which led to Keegan Murray being undervalued because of his play-style are also at play in creating this impression that Banchero is an elite scorer and Keegan is not. Most people are going to look at the box scores and see that Banchero scored 43 points and assume he had the better game but he got to 43 with 14 free throw attempts and a lot of them were absolute gifts. Keegan Murray quietly scored 28 points with zero help from the officials and, crucially, had 0 TO -- which is typical for him. He's been top 6 in TO% since he came into the league...

One guy plays under-control, mistake free basketball and scores primarily as an off-ball compliment to other playmakers and the other dominates almost every possession, throws the ball away routinely, drives into contact with no hope of finishing, and hunts foul calls all game long. Granted when you knock down 6 of 9 three point attempts it's hard to notice anything else but Banchero was the Rookie of the Year last year while shooting only 29.8% from three while Keegan Murray set the all-time rookie record for three pointers while shooting a blistering 41.1% in the process. It's a travesty to me that the wrong guy is being called a star.

You already know my take on this one… but I think Keegan could start being in the future star conversation if he can consistently string these types of offensive performances together

 

[NewArena]

Fox has been a complete non factor. Extremely disappointing

Now that i know Fox wasn’t feeling well and coughing on the bench, im even more impressed with the clutch baskets he made in double OT. We’re so lucky to have some of the players we have on this squad.

 

[NewArena]

Keegan is coming in clutch man. Huge box out there, 2 huge boards the previous 2 possessions.

I can’t wait for the playoffs. Keegan is going to make HUGE plays for us when it comes, I’d bet my house on it.

 

[GWD]

I can’t wait for the playoffs. Keegan is going to make HUGE plays for us when it comes, I’d bet my house on it.

You must live in a Shaq. (OK, pretty stupid pun.)

 

[NewArena]

Ehh, Not sure they look back at the end of the season and feel that way, if the seedings are tight. Would assume they will be

The Kings are better than a few teams out west, so i wouldn’t worry too much about seeding. Barring you know what *knock on wood* this certainly isn’t a play-in team and i trust their ability to win on the road.

 

[gunks]

I don't think that's a proper analysis. Someone else already mentioned this in another thread once but he was right, Sabonis struggles to score and when he does, he has to work hard for it. Bang, bang bang inside, lower your shoulder. Take a hit across the head, arm, what have you. Jokic scores with ease both inside and out, you see the flow in his game. Not to take anything away from Sabonis and the importance for this team, he is the engine and Fox is the snake. I believe a proper way to look at it is he's a natural PG in a centers body and so with that said, if you envision him being a number two option next to Fox, well I just don't see that as a winning formula for the Postseason. I'd imagine Kings are hoping Murray turns into that, unless Monte can trade for another scorer without gutting his depth.

Pffft... calling out my lazy comparison

Agree that Domas has to be our "3rd star". Dude loves to pass, and has a pretty spotty range.

I'm bullish on Keegan being that guy, maybe not consistently this season, but next year for sure.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The Kings are better than a few teams out west, so i wouldn’t worry too much about seeding. Barring you know what *knock on wood* this certainly isn’t a play-in team and i trust their ability to win on the road.

How about the difference between a 4th and 5th seed and home court advantage