[Game] Orlando Magic @ Sacramento Kings, 1/3/24,7p PST/10p EST
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I think it says a lot that the guy had a 22/23/12 night and we all collectively sortof shrugged at it while it was happening because he's been so good this season that we expect that level of play from him at this point. He also was flirting with another double-digit turnover night by the third quarter so in some way not talking about his numbers seemed safer. And to his credit, he stopped turning the ball over from that point on.
A lot of people in other forums seem to put a lot of stock into the educated speculation that Ham sells as inside info. I try to forget about him when I can avoid him because I know he's just scrubbing various Kings forum for ideas and repeating them 
Person who shared that with me is a 40+ year friend, and I guess I should also say that I'm the one who first broached the subject of Fox being ill, in just a "wtf is up with Fox, is he sick or hurt" kind of way. It was just kind of weird that he casually, but definitively said "yes" to the sick.
Person who shared that with me is a 40+ year friend, and I guess I should also say that I'm the one who first broached the subject of Fox being ill, in just a "wtf is up with Fox, is he sick or hurt" kind of way. It was just kind of weird that he casually, but definitively said "yes" to the sick.
You may find after the overnight updates that we have dropped something like 8-10 slots in one game. It will depend on what other teams in the 26-28 range did tonight and how the Magic shot in the final few minutes of the game, but we had dropped 10 slots at one point. Not kidding.
That says something about how poorly we defended the three tonight. It also says something about the skew of the distribution - there wasn't all that much difference between middle of the pack and awful.
That says something about how poorly we defended the three tonight. It also says something about the skew of the distribution - there wasn't all that much difference between middle of the pack and awful.
If anyone taped this game, go back and count the number of times Banchero drove into the paint and threw up an attempt which didn't even come close to hitting the rim. Some of them didn't even reach the backboard. It felt like on at least half of his shot attempts in the paint he has was just ref-baiting, flailing wildly for calls. He also had 8 TO which should have been 10 TO -- that shot-clock violation wasn't credited as a TO in the box score for some reason and the ball he lost at the end of the game out of bounds was reversed erroneously.
I'm only harping on this because Banchero was the prize of that draft year and the same types of arguments which led to Keegan Murray being undervalued because of his play-style are also at play in creating this impression that Banchero is an elite scorer and Keegan is not. Most people are going to look at the box scores and see that Banchero scored 43 points and assume he had the better game but he got to 43 with 14 free throw attempts and a lot of them were absolute gifts. Keegan Murray quietly scored 28 points with zero help from the officials and, crucially, had 0 TO -- which is typical for him. He's been top 6 in TO% since he came into the league...
One guy plays under-control, mistake free basketball and scores primarily as an off-ball compliment to other playmakers and the other dominates almost every possession, throws the ball away routinely, drives into contact with no hope of finishing, and hunts foul calls all game long. Granted when you knock down 6 of 9 three point attempts it's hard to notice anything else but Banchero was the Rookie of the Year last year while shooting only 29.8% from three while Keegan Murray set the all-time rookie record for three pointers while shooting a blistering 41.1% in the process. It's a travesty to me that the wrong guy is being called a star.
I'm only harping on this because Banchero was the prize of that draft year and the same types of arguments which led to Keegan Murray being undervalued because of his play-style are also at play in creating this impression that Banchero is an elite scorer and Keegan is not. Most people are going to look at the box scores and see that Banchero scored 43 points and assume he had the better game but he got to 43 with 14 free throw attempts and a lot of them were absolute gifts. Keegan Murray quietly scored 28 points with zero help from the officials and, crucially, had 0 TO -- which is typical for him. He's been top 6 in TO% since he came into the league...
One guy plays under-control, mistake free basketball and scores primarily as an off-ball compliment to other playmakers and the other dominates almost every possession, throws the ball away routinely, drives into contact with no hope of finishing, and hunts foul calls all game long. Granted when you knock down 6 of 9 three point attempts it's hard to notice anything else but Banchero was the Rookie of the Year last year while shooting only 29.8% from three while Keegan Murray set the all-time rookie record for three pointers while shooting a blistering 41.1% in the process. It's a travesty to me that the wrong guy is being called a star.
It seems like it because it’s largely true. Teams (and scrubs) have been overachieving against the KINGS for decades. Part of it definitely is self-inflicted through poor play and taking teams and players lightly, but another part of it is just poor timing and bad luck.
People can laugh that off, but there’s historical truth in some franchises just being luckier than others wrt injuries, draft lotteries, officiating, timing, and a myriad of other things.
People can laugh that off, but there’s historical truth in some franchises just being luckier than others wrt injuries, draft lotteries, officiating, timing, and a myriad of other things.
I don't think that's a proper analysis. Someone else already mentioned this in another thread once but he was right, Sabonis struggles to score and when he does, he has to work hard for it. Bang, bang bang inside, lower your shoulder. Take a hit across the head, arm, what have you. Jokic scores with ease both inside and out, you see the flow in his game. Not to take anything away from Sabonis and the importance for this team, he is the engine and Fox is the snake. I believe a proper way to look at it is he's a natural PG in a centers body and so with that said, if you envision him being a number two option next to Fox, well I just don't see that as a winning formula for the Postseason. I'd imagine Kings are hoping Murray turns into that, unless Monte can trade for another scorer without gutting his depth.
How am I unable to handle any type of criticism when you’re going with personal attacks? I don’t care if you disagree with me, but look how you responded compared to iowamcnabb. I have nothing against creating open conversations with a place that allows disagreement and differing takes. But your literal response to another poster was telling them root for a new team because they had a differing opinion. But apparently I’m the problem because I think Keegan needed to shoot better than 26.2% from 3pt for the month of December? or for calling out Kevin Huerter for playing some of the worst basketball in his career? Or for stating that this was a “bad” win in my book because we let an Orlando team missing 2 starters and most of their rotational players nearly steal a home game where they were also coming off a back to back? A game where we had a completely healthy squad?
Calling someone a Debbie downer sounds emotionally charged. Not really sure that I’m the one who can’t handle “criticism.”
Calling someone a Debbie downer sounds emotionally charged. Not really sure that I’m the one who can’t handle “criticism.”
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