opportunity for pg

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Simply put it this way. Evans would not be as effective playing shooting guard as he is playing point guard. This team capitalizes on having to play Evans as point guard because of the mismatch he creates ( in favor of us ) playing against the smaller point guards of the other teams. Gilbert Arenas who is another big guard will tell you the whole story of that.

Your point is flawed. The other teams PG's werent guarding Evans unless there were a better defender than the SG or SF. Unless the SG next to Evans is better than him other teams will still put their better defender on him no matter how tall the SG.

You get mismatches by running screens and moving w/o the ball. Look at one of Evans best plays of the season. It was the winner against the bucks. He moved w/o the ball and got it off a screen.

If you put a PG that knows how to run a team next Evans it allows him to get down the court and get the ball already in position or coming off a screen. This is more effective than Evans bringing the ball up himself.
 
We HAVE a pg that just won ROY. PG is the one position we don't need help. Why would we want to make a play for another pg? I'm stuggling to understand this line of thinking.

My line of thinking is that he's technically a combo guard, and can play at either position. If there is a better PG that comes around and he is able to play with Reke then it would be stupid not to try to get him..

Skill wise I would give Evans:
Overall - 9
PG - 7
SG - 8
Combo - 10

If we have a PG that can play with Reke and give us:
Overall - 8
PG - 9
SG - 6
Combo 8

I would definitely take a loot at the PG.. This is my line of thinking.
 
My line of thinking is that he's technically a combo guard, and can play at either position. If there is a better PG that comes around and he is able to play with Reke then it would be stupid not to try to get him..

Skill wise I would give Evans:
Overall - 9
PG - 7
SG - 8
Combo - 10

If we have a PG that can play with Reke and give us:
Overall - 8
PG - 9
SG - 6
Combo 8

I would definitely take a loot at the PG.. This is my line of thinking.

+1

Wall would be awesome next to Evans.
 
My line of thinking is that he's technically a combo guard, and can play at either position. If there is a better PG that comes around and he is able to play with Reke then it would be stupid not to try to get him..

Skill wise I would give Evans:
Overall - 9
PG - 7
SG - 8
Combo - 10

If we have a PG that can play with Reke and give us:
Overall - 8
PG - 9
SG - 6
Combo 8

I would definitely take a loot at the PG.. This is my line of thinking.
I disagree, but not entirely. Do I think a Tyreke/Wall backcourt could work? Yes, to a certain extent. Do I think it would be as versatile both offesively and defensively as a Tyreke/Turner(or Turner type)? No. Do I think a Tyreke/Wall backcourt is more talented than a Tyreke/Turner backcourt? Yes. Having Wall would be a good problem to have. I won't disagree with you about his talent. But in the best interest of the team, I personally see pairing Tyreke with Turner, or another tall, versatile guard, as the way to go. Turner doesn't have the hype, and isn't flashy, but I do think he's a future allstar that compliments Tyrekevery well.

Back to going after another pg. I see Tyreke as a pg. Move him off the ball, his game suffers. I can't see pairing him with a pg actually helping his game. Just don't see it. When you take the ball out of his hands, his isn't half as dangerous. I see the same in Wall. Beno compliments Tyreke well because he spreads the floor, can spot up from 3, shoots well coming off screens, with or without the ball, and can create well with the pick & roll.

So if you want to move Tyreke off the ball, and bring in another pg, Wall or someone else, what kind of a pg exactly are you looking for? Wall needs the ball to be a threat. If you bring in a complete pass first pg who isn't a scoring threat, that pg would be useless without the ball. It's tough to set up Tyreke if Tyreke can't hit open jumpers and doesn't move well without the ball. If you bring in an allstar calliber pg thats a great shooter, like CP3, that would work better, but I don't see them complimenting eachother that well. They both need the ball to be at their best. If Tyreke was the one breaking down defenses and hitting CP3 or another pg for jumpers, he would essentially be playing the point, and whoever is catching those passes and shooting the jumpers would be filling he sg role. I just don't see how moving Tyreke off the ball helps.
 
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I disagree, but not entirely. Do I think a Tyreke/Wall backcourt could work? Yes, to a certain extent. Do I think it would be as versatile both offesively and defensively as a Tyreke/Turner(or Turner type)? No. Do I think a Tyreke/Wall backcourt is more talented than a Tyreke/Turner backcourt? Yes. Having Wall would be a good problem to have. I won't disagree with you about his talent. But in the best interest of the team, I personally see pairing Tyreke with Turner, or another tall, versatile guard, as the way to go. Turner doesn't have the hype, and isn't flashy, but I do think he's a future allstar that compliments Tyrekevery well.

Back to going after another pg. I see Tyreke as a pg. Move him off the ball, his game suffers. I can't see pairing him with a pg actually helping his game. Just don't see it. When you take the ball out of his hands, his isn't half as dangerous. I see the same in Wall. Beno compliments Tyreke well because he spreads the floor, can spot up from 3, shoots well coming off screens, with or without the ball, and can create well with the pick & roll.

So if you want to move Tyreke off the ball, and bring in another pg, Wall or someone else, what kind of a pg exactly are you looking for? Wall needs the ball to be a threat. If you bring in a complete pass first pg who isn't a scoring threat, that pg would be useless without the ball. It's tough to set up Tyreke if Tyreke can't hit open jumpers and doesn't move well without the ball. If you bring in an allstar calliber pg thats a great shooter, like CP3, that would work better, but I don't see them complimenting eachother that well. They both need the ball to be at their best. If Tyreke was the one breaking down defenses and hitting CP3 or another pg for jumpers, he would essentially be playing the point, and whoever is catching those passes and shooting the jumpers would be filling he sg role. I just don't see how moving Tyreke off the ball helps.

Wade, Kobe, Jordan all had the ball in their hands more than the PG. Just because they have a point guard doesn't mean he has the ball less in the offense. Or would you rather have the Iverson style with the ball all the time?
 
Wade, Kobe, Jordan all had the ball in their hands more than the PG. Just because they have a point guard doesn't mean he has the ball less in the offense. Or would you rather have the Iverson style with the ball all the time?
And look at all the pg's that excelled next to those guys. They weren't pg's with star/suparstar talent like Wall. Jordan had Pippen playing 2nd fiddle, much like I wouldn't mind Turner playing 2nd fiddle. Jordan had Harper. Nothing like Wall. More like Turner. Kobe had Fisher. Nothing like Wall. Wade and Kobe had Shaq. I fail to see your point.

What the hell does AI have to do with this? And if your read my post, you would have seen I ASKED what kind of a pg you would put next to Tyreke, and you named 3 guys who have/had pg's NOTHING like Wall.
 
Wait

you all still think Evans is a PG? The season is over, KMart is gone and he's been playing next to Beno for most of the time since. How deep does the bull**** go?

This is ridiculous.

There are only two types of people who would argue that Evans was not our PG last year.

1.) People who didn't watch the Kings play.
2.) People who want to discredit Tyreke at PG so they can have leverage to say that the Kings should bring in a 'pure' pass-first PG.

And even if you didn't watch the games, the stats back up the fact that Evans was our PG.

The shots he made were only assisted 21% of the time (5th lowest in the NBA) as opposed to Beno who had 41% of his baskets assisted. (PGs as a group have the lowest amount of assisted baskets because they are the ones expecting to dish out the assists. Steve Nash had the lowest and Chris Paul had the second lowest to cite other PGs with low assisted FG%.)

He had the most assists/game on the team with 5.8
Beno trailed him at 4.7.

He had the best Passing Rating at 8.8 (82games.com) compared to Beno at 8.4

When Beno and Tyreke were on the floor together, and especially when they started the games together, Tyreke was playing the role of the PG and Beno was playing the role of the SG. It was clear to see from watching the games, and the stats back it up as well.

This has nothing to do with Kevin Martin and everything to do with Tyreke Evans. The ONLY thing that he can do well at this moment from the SG position is defend other SGs. He can't shoot, he can't move with-out the ball, and he can't come off screens while cutting to the basket with-out the ball.

Fortunately he can guard other PGs and he can break down a team's defense and either get to the rim or kick out to open shooters. And that's what you want from your PG. A guy who can defend the position and create scoring opportunities for his teammates.

The only ball-dominant player I'd want on this Kings team would be LeBron. Frankly because LeBron is so good that it wouldn't matter if Tyreke's game slipped if he wasn't able to control the ball as much as usual. I might consider Wade, but only if Wade was planning on letting Tyreke do the majority of the ball-handling, as Wade's game has progressed enough where he could fit into the Kobe role. Tyreke's game at this point in time is simply not suited to being off the ball, and for that reason he was the King's PG this year, and unless we take a chance on Wall, will be our PG next year.
 
Do we really want that to be entirely obvious and repetitive?

Having more than one option isn't a bad thing.

lebron is a pretty good option at the end of the game. only one ball.............. 2 egos

lakers don't have that problem. you KNOW who's gonna have the ball at the end of the game
 
Do we really want that to be entirely obvious and repetitive?

Having more than one option isn't a bad thing.
I think Boston just showed that. You can never have too many options as long as everyone is on the same page. Boston, Orlando, and Phoenix, all have many options and multiple players that have hit big shots in these playoffs. And thats why they are 3 of the last 4 teams remaining.
 
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