KingsFanGER
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word is.....
reports suggest......
there has been some suggestion.....
there is a rumor....
Wow! That's not interesting. It's not even suprising. Just a person throwing out mud and hopes that something sticks.
One AND ONLY Cousins trade rumors thread
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word is.....
reports suggest......
there has been some suggestion.....
there is a rumor....
Wow! That's not interesting. It's not even suprising. Just a person throwing out mud and hopes that something sticks.
Livinthedream
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Vlade said both are staying. Karl said he'll be nice if Cousins is nice. It's Cousins turn to return Karls text with a polite response. Then we can all move forward.
Cousins is under contract and has no leverage until the final year of his contract. He will play hard, even if he has a frown on his face. He can't poison the locker room without regaining the rep thst kept him off previous All Star teams and U.S.A. basketball teams. So he'll be good.
Win a few games and this will all be behind us. This is the price of having a legit coach. The coach won't bend to the players. He molds them. Phil never cut Kobe any slack. The biggest lesson Cousins learned from being cut by USA basketball was that no matter how good he is, he can be cut if he doesn't buy in. That's what Karl is trying to tell DMC.
Now I'd pick Cousins over Karl if given an ultimatum, but I also want the coach to have full control and commitment from the players.
Cousins is under contract and has no leverage until the final year of his contract. He will play hard, even if he has a frown on his face. He can't poison the locker room without regaining the rep thst kept him off previous All Star teams and U.S.A. basketball teams. So he'll be good.
Win a few games and this will all be behind us. This is the price of having a legit coach. The coach won't bend to the players. He molds them. Phil never cut Kobe any slack. The biggest lesson Cousins learned from being cut by USA basketball was that no matter how good he is, he can be cut if he doesn't buy in. That's what Karl is trying to tell DMC.
Now I'd pick Cousins over Karl if given an ultimatum, but I also want the coach to have full control and commitment from the players.
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I finally got a chance to view the Karl interview. I'm not really upset by it to be honest. I actually like what he said.
"if he comes committed I'm 120% in on making him the best basketball player he can be.. "
I see that as the Cousins camp did ask for a trade and coach is challenging him to step up. This will either be a very smart move by Karl or a huge mistake.
"if he comes committed I'm 120% in on making him the best basketball player he can be.. "
I see that as the Cousins camp did ask for a trade and coach is challenging him to step up. This will either be a very smart move by Karl or a huge mistake.
Jerichoholic
Bench
Exactly! This whole thing that seems like the sky is falling came from a single source with a single comment and we don't even know who the source is or what the exact comment was. We have now moved on from Cousins vs. Karl to who leaked the comment and what their master plan is.
Let's have some truth here, no one on this site knows what is going on behind the scenes and we are going to take sides not based on the facts that we don't know, but on our biases of how we feel about these two, period.
I don't think anyone has done anything wrong here, except for one person, Cousins. Ranadive didn't leak this, Divac didn't leak this, and I seriously doubt that Karl did because there is no benefit. Cousins sending out that tweet with the snake is stupid and childish. Maybe make a phone call or send a text to someone who might have some idea what is going on. It doesn't even have to be Karl, send it to Divac, get some facts before calling your coach a snake when he might not even be doing anything.
Between you and me, I'm way more interested in this Christina Hendricks for Pam Grier, Scarlett Johansson and picks proposition.
lawlman91
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Immediate trash.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You are assuming that Cousins and his camp haven't known EXACTLY what Karl was up to for months. Just because we haven't doesn't mean that Cousins wouldn't have plenty of people giving him calls.
ninjabiscuit
Bench
Isn't Ziller the same guy who posted a story that read like it had been written by PDA the other day?
LPKingsFan
All-Star
And yet today's piece takes some shots at PDA. It's not so simple.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Then maybe you might consider not coming on this forum. This is our franchise player and future who's currently in more rumors than any other player around the NBA. Of course people are going to talk about anything which comes out. That's what forums are for.
If you just want to keep acting like it's ridiculous to consider American media while you type it from somewhere in Germany, that really adds nothing to the conversation. Furthermore, you're talking to the fan base who's dealt with more rumors and more sources than any other team recently due to the relocation saga, then all the crap that transpired this last year. We have a pretty good gauge on who to listen to, who not to. We really don't need you constantly popping in, pretending this is somehow similar to your football media overseas and instead we should close up conversation because "rumors....".
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jdbraver
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Making my own rumor, y not? Cuz to celts for Bradley, Smart + #16
Gary
All-Star
Are you CRAZY?! I would never let my #1 asset (Hendricks) go for chump change.
Gary
All-Star
hehe... Terrible trade but I am sure if you put it out there enough then someone would try to pick it up and run with it.
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jdbraver
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Sadly I think this is the type of knock your socks off trade Grant is talking about.
Gary
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At some point if Cousins cannot get along with any coaches we bring in then we might have to look at moving him. The Kings screwed up when firing Malone who had Cousin's respect, but every coach before and since then didn't seem to connect with Cousins. If all this is true then it might be time to trade Cousins. I am not about to sacrifice coach after coach until Cousin's finds one he likes.
jcwkings
All-Star
Karl has been on the job for less than five months. I doubt he walked in and straight away was plotting a Cousins trade. He came here under the prospect of coaching Cousins.
My guess, Karl came in, notices DMC is not beloved by all teammates, hard to connect with given state of team. DMC camp requests trade at end of season. In FO meetings Karl wants commitment from all players, especially the franchise centerpiece, says trade him if he does not want to commit. Weasel is writing all this down in his diary to unleash if and when needed as he knows his clock is ticking/writing is on the wall. The weasel can turn Karl asking players their opinion on Cousins to he is trying to masterplan a coup de ta.
ShastaKingsFan
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Then again,....the snake in the grass could very easily be directed towards whoever said this to the media. It's not definitely Karl, so lets not assume that's a fact
LPKingsFan
All-Star
We might be! We can't complain about leaks then complain that we're not doing anything when Vlade plugs them.
More to the point, I'd guess that Smart+some of the many picks the Celtics own beats the 6.
The report I heard is that Philadelphia immediately declined that offer. I think Danny Ainge wishes every opposing exec was Billy King.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
That is the most likely scenario. He simply wants to be assured that his best player is committed and will act like a leader. That's a what a good coach should desire and push for
kingjatt
Starter
So if both are staying this basically becomes a TRUE win-now year, either we improve this year or Cousins will need to be moved creating a full blown rebuild. The longer we try to keep Cousins past this year the move leverage it gives him in dictating where he wants to go thus limiting what we get back. After everything this organization has put him thru, I don't think firing Karl will do anything to change Cousins mind if this year is another 28 win bust.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Yep, this whole saga has completely clarified that at least. The bill has come due. you can't keep a HOF center imprisoned in a sub-30 win cage forever. Sooner or later he's going to need to break out and fly into the playoffs. If its not with you, then it will be with somebody else.
SacKings384
Starter
I'm still wondering if it's Cousins that was already mentally out the door once Karl got there, so Karl is saying "if you don't want to be here then let's get rid of him" or if it's "I don't like Cousins and I want him out. So in turn, Cousins wants out." I think it's the latter, but there's a small chance it's the former.
Jerichoholic
Bench
That's true, I can't assume that, I have no idea Cousins' camp has known or assumed themselves. I do find it hard to believe that this has been some huge plot created months in advance. Karl has only been here for a few months. I agree with jcwkings, Karl came here expecting to coach Cousins, not trade him, that's a tough task to convince ownership to do that. If that was the case I'm sure Karl would have talked with ownership about trading Cousins before taking the job.
That still might be the case too, Karl might not be doing anything we are hearing about or at least not the extent we are hearing about it and is still planning to build this team around Cousins. That's why Cousins needs to lose his phone, stop with these odd tweets, and grow up, it's a bad look.
jcwkings
All-Star
Thank You! Finally someone calling out these hacks that are only after clicks.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Ya, this is also the same guy who stood up and said firing Malone was the right decision, as was promoting Corbin to full-time head coach and blasted the coverage around that.
That worked out well.
Guys like Amick, Stein, Woj, Windhorst, Bruski aren't hacks, as much as a few here want to attack them because they don't like the news. It's interesting to watch a few attempt to convince themselves there's nothing to see here and imply the issue is actually with these guys, who have a pretty decent to good track record, especially when you stack that up against our incompetence.
Let's all sit here and pretend everything is peachy behind the scenes here and these guys are just baiting for clicks. They obviously need them given there's nothing else to write about like the NBA Draft tomorrow.
Padrino
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i'd hardly ever refer to the sacramento bee's coverage of the kings in a complimentary manner, but it's definitely nice to see a local guy lambasting the ridiculousness of the national coverage on these boogie trade rumors. it's embarrassing that such rumor-mongering is so often passed off as "news."
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