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Who could the Kings trade to get Darko M?? 
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captain bill
All-Star
Starting Five said:Who could the Kings trade to get Darko M??
If we end up going to the lottery, that pick would probably do it, but we'd probably have to send Skinner to make the salaries match. The Pistons say they want a big man to back up the Wallaces and give them some rest, so we have the man who fits that bill. A first round pick would really be what makes that deal work, but do we want to give up our pick plus Skinner for Darko, considering we could easily grab someone useful out of the draft? Then again, we basically give up 2 contracts (Skinner + rookie) for 1 player who we hope does whatever we hope the rookie we get does, assuming GP doesn't go after another Martin/Garcia type GF. Beyond that, I can't think of much else the Pistons would want.
Kev.in
Starter
Starting Five said:Who could the Kings trade to get Darko M??
It depends on what the Pistons were asking for. Some would say they're looking for a lottery pick, which we might end up with. Maybe they'd be looking for another player to add to the rotation. We have some solid and expendable players.
With Darko, it's sort of like the situation Indiana was in with Artest, except that they're playing with their regular squad and might be able to get "something for nothing" whereas the Pacers were lacking one of their stars and needed to move him for a similar talent or else they'd be going nowhere. As far as what the guy is worth, we basically won't know until some offers come in and other teams find out what's being offered. It started heating up with Artest when the Clippers were willing to part with Maggette. So when someone makes a serious offer for Darko, we'll see what he's worth and then really find out what the Kings could offer. Until then it's just relatively uninformed speculation.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Kings113 said:
Wallace
Wallace
McDyess
Davis
Darko
Already the deepest frontcourt in the NBA. They have absolutely no need of another guy to take Darko's seat on the bench.
captain bill
All-Star
Bricklayer said:
McDyess is averaging 20 minutes, the other 2 get 5. McDyess is a PF, and not much of a shotblocker. In about a quarter of the minutes, Skinner averages more blocks. If one of the Wallaces goes down in any way, they're in trouble, esp if they trade Darko. The idea is that the pick we send their way is the big bait, and they naturally want a big body in return, which Skinner is. It has been stated that Detroit would take a top 10 pick in return, maybe they gamble thinking Skinner plus our pick is the best they can get, cross their fingers that we miss the playoffs and then they get their new pick to make up for Darko. Basically, Skinner does what Darko is already doing, if not more. This is all from the context of "what can we give for Darko", not "how can we make the Detroit Pistons better." I didn't even begin to imply that Detroit needs Brian Skinner to be a good team, but that Skinner + a first could get them to give up Darko. Very different statements.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Kings113 said:
For what possible reason? I mean seriously -- that makes no sense from their persepctive. They might very well take a big man back in place of Darko, but that's just replacing his body. They are 43-9 with the bigs they have. What are they going to do wiht another big unless he be VERY good? No minutes at all even for Dale Davis as is.
The general theory had been that their shallowness is more at the smaller psoitons. If Chauncey went down, or Tayshaun.
In any case, if you are dangling the pick and just using Skinner to match the salaries, I think that might have a chance, but it seems likely to be because they want a pick rather than want Skinner for anything much.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Darko is gone. They have no reason to keep him. I will be surprised if he is on the Pistons team next year. My guess on Darko is that he must not be that good. Fact is, if he was, HE WOULD GET SOME PLAYING TIME!!!
Reality is that he will most likely once again be left off the playoff roster this year in favor of Dale Davis. DALE DAVIS!!
Reality is that he will most likely once again be left off the playoff roster this year in favor of Dale Davis. DALE DAVIS!!
To make it easier on the Wallace boys, I remember that's what Dumars said at least twice or was reported as saying that. Can see where they're coming from.
Dale Davis would get minutes if he wasn't being saved up for the playoffs.
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Judging Darko by playing in garbage time his whole career (basically) - blah.
Dale Davis would get minutes if he wasn't being saved up for the playoffs.
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Judging Darko by playing in garbage time his whole career (basically) - blah.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
Kev.in said:
theres a huge gap in the comparison between darko and artest. darko hasn't proven anything! artest is a proven talent... he's just got a few loose nuts in his noggin. artest asked to be traded and was a distraction for the team whereas darko isn't getting any minutes bc they are playing for a championship and have talented players in front of him. i really don't know why some people are so hung up on this guy. he hasn't proven monterey JACK cheese. if we get a really high pick .. i hope we don't move it for darko.
captain bill
All-Star
KMart23 said:
The hope for Detroit is that they can get a pick. At this point, I think trading our 1st this year would be smart if we did it right now- Detroit hopes we miss the playoffs, they get a shot at having a relatively good pick, and we get to take a chance on an unknown quantity with the possibility of a huge upside. Like I said, Detroit might not get an offer from any other lower playoff teams, who hope to wait for the draft and grab someone great themselves. I think Sac is really in a unique situation where we're staring at a potential lottery pick but also might go far in the playoffs (unlikely, but this team certainly could). All the other teams with lottery teams will keep their picks- guys they find in the top 10 will be far more inticing than a former high pick who has mostly burned out, with some upside on age and lack of PT. It really seems like its the bubble teams that would trade their picks right now, and we're low on the bubble moving up. Our pick will never have more value than now, which is why I say we ship that pick (plus salary, in my example Brian Skinner) to get Darko. We could get someone good, but could get a flop or someone just average, and Darko might just be something special. At this point, I think its worth the risk and the Pistons might bite. In the offseason, if we get a top 10, I'd say no. And if we're in the playoffs, the Pistons say no. So really now is the time if ever for this trade to go down.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Gary said:
I wouldn't mind getting the guy. He is a shotblocker with a nice shot and wouldn't have to be much more for us. He may be the next Jermaine. Then again, he could be the next Kwame, or the next Stromile Swift too.
Kingsroots
G-League
I am not saying that we should definitely trade Bibby, however if they decided to go for more a defensive mindset this works via trade checker...
Outgoing
Jamal Sampson
6-11 C from California
0.8 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.1 apg in 3.3 minutesMike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
20.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.4 apg in 38.1 minutes
Incoming Raef LaFrentz
6-11 C from Kansas
8.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.8 minutesDelonte West
6-4 PG from St. Joseph's
11.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.2 apg in 33.1 minutesKendrick Perkins
6-10 PF from Ozen (HS)
4.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.2 minutesChange in team outlook: -0.5 ppg, +9.9 rpg, and -0.5 apg.
Delonte is a pretty good defensive point who has size. Raef would be a damn good backup at center behind Brad. Actually sort of a poor mans Brad with a better 3 point shot. Perkins is a great rebounder/shot blocker who has a lot of upside.
Outgoing
Jamal Sampson
6-11 C from California
0.8 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.1 apg in 3.3 minutesMike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
20.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.4 apg in 38.1 minutes
Incoming Raef LaFrentz
6-11 C from Kansas
8.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.8 minutesDelonte West
6-4 PG from St. Joseph's
11.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.2 apg in 33.1 minutesKendrick Perkins
6-10 PF from Ozen (HS)
4.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.2 minutesChange in team outlook: -0.5 ppg, +9.9 rpg, and -0.5 apg.
Delonte is a pretty good defensive point who has size. Raef would be a damn good backup at center behind Brad. Actually sort of a poor mans Brad with a better 3 point shot. Perkins is a great rebounder/shot blocker who has a lot of upside.
AleksandarN
Starter
Kingsroots said:
You got to be Kidding?
Kingsroots
G-League
No, you are right nbrans. I guess I am just pointing out that getting a more defensive minded / assist pg would be nice and from what I have seen out of West he could fit the bill quite well. Don't call him a dirt poor mans Bibby because, while of course he is not on Bibby's level offensively he has shown much better defensive skills. Also, Raef has a bloated contract yes, but he does have some usefull scoring skills that would help off the bench for us. Perkins looks like he could be real good in a year or two.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
You guys are out of your minds. Bibby has a couple bad games, and now this?
LoungeLizard
Starter
I woke up in the middle of the night and this came to me. There is a way to trade Jason Hart.
Outgoing: Jason Hart
Incoming: Yolanda Griffith
Hart would be a good fit in the WNBA and Griffith would give us a rebounding/inside presence we need off the bench. Plus, the Maloofs own the Monarchs, so they could make this happen.
Outgoing: Jason Hart
Incoming: Yolanda Griffith
Hart would be a good fit in the WNBA and Griffith would give us a rebounding/inside presence we need off the bench. Plus, the Maloofs own the Monarchs, so they could make this happen.
CaminoChaos
Bench
LoungeLizard said:
I doubt the Monarchs would do that. They already have Tisha and Lawson at the point.
Sacto=Slappo
G-League
Hart/Corliss for Bobby Jackson
Kingsroots
G-League
LPKingsFan said:
It's not the fact that he has had bad games since Artest came here, it's that he has never shown defensive capabilities and has become more of a sg than a true pg. Again, I like Bibbly as a player a lot... That being said, this is a trade post isn't it?
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14187655p-15014706c.html
Read the Heat are interested in him a couple times, that'd be a good move for both Delk and Miami.
