Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

[DaMan]

I agree, Martin won't be nowhere as good as Deng...BUT, if we give up our 2007 draft pick, we could push a "You now have two shots at potentially landing Greg Oden!" angle at them.

Our 2007 pick, if we make this trade, could very well be a lottery pick...Maybe the Bulls would be enticed with the gamble?

But with our luck, it would end up being the top pick, and Oden would be the next coming of Shaq, and the Bulls will win 5 more titles, and we'd continue to wallow away in mediocrity.

I changed my mind...

Here's my final call.

-Brad Miller
-Kevin Martin/Cisco Gracia (Interchangable, both work salary-wise...So whoever the Bulls want more...On a quick glance, it seems Cisco fits there lineup better if they trade Deng)
-2007 First Round Pick, Number 1 Protected, if it indeed gets protected, they also get 2008 second rounder as "compensation"...2008 pick would be completly unprotected.

For

-Tyson Chandler
-Luol Deng

That is a little bit to much for just tyson (if u look at his stats this year his done nothing) and deng. I would rather, do bricks trade idea and wait until the 07 draft and take my chance at getting Oden or getting somebody else because that draft is stacked.

 

[SLAB]

That is a little bit to much for just tyson (if u look at his stats this year his done nothing) and deng. I would rather, do bricks trade idea and wait until the 07 draft and take my chance at getting Oden or getting somebody else because that draft is stacked.

I just researched the 07 draft, and it seems some monsterously gifted HS kids are in it...And they even get their one year of college to better them...I'd change my protection to Top 5...

Anyways, Chandler may have done nothing this year, but he's only 23 years old...And he's already a good defensive player and rebounder...Imagine in 4 years if he develops at least a small offensive game and keeps improving defense/rebounding...I could see him easily being around 12/12/3 (points/rebounds/blocks) and I'd take that...Then you add Deng to the mix, who will only keep getting better...I think it's a very fair deal.

 

[DaMan]

Anyways, Chandler may have done nothing this year, but he's only 23 years old...And he's already a good defensive player and rebounder...Imagine in 4 years if he develops at least a small offensive game and keeps improving defense/rebounding...I could see him easily being around 12/12/3 (points/rebounds/blocks) and I'd take that...Then you add Deng to the mix, who will only keep getting better...I think it's a very fair deal.

But here lays the problem he is getting paid 60 million and what if he does not improve and like many other nba player he gets lazy, thats a big risk. And i really doubt that the bulls would also give up deng without giving up an unprotected draft pick.

 

[SLAB]

But here lays the problem he is getting paid 60 million and what if he does not improve and like many other nba player he gets lazy, thats a big risk. And i really doubt that the bulls would also give up deng without giving up an unprotected draft pick.

It's unprotected in 2008...I dunno if that'll do anything for em, but it's only unprotected for the one year.

And what could be lose by doing it? We have brad for four more years...He's not going to get any better...IF we get Chandler, and he stays as he is now, we have him for five years, AND improve defensivly/rebounding-wise in the process.

I'm willing to take the risk...Even if Tyson doesn't improve, we improve drastically on the defensive/rebounding side...I'm definatly for that.

 

[DaMan]

I'm willing to take the risk...Even if Tyson doesn't improve, we improve drastically on the defensive/rebounding side...I'm definatly for that.

I would rather have Brad miller then for a tyson that does not improve is way better. If u check the the stats, even dough he is having def problems, brad has been the better player and so far this year chandler has played like trash and also add that brad is making the least amount of money and has stayed heathy for the most part, does it for me. But like you i would like to take the risk but you are give up way to much for him. I would rather do brick's trade of shareef, peja, and hart for chandler, Nocioni, and allan.

 

[SacTownKid]

Makes sence, VF.

Onto a more serious thought...Tyson Chandler.

HE only played 4 minutes off the bench tonight for Chicago...Potential problems?

Can we swoop in on damaged goods? I wish...

Maybe...

Kings Get...

Tyson Chandler... 4.8 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.0 apg

Luol Deng... 13.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.7 apg

Bulls Get...

Brad Miller... 14.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.3 apg

Kevin Martin... 7.2 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.2 apg

Future First Round Pick?? (Not this year)

Change in Team Outlook: -3.3 pts, +2.8 rpg, -3.8 apg

We do it because: Kings get an extremly young, athletic, defensive-minded center with loads of potential...All of a sudden makes our front-line at least semi-respectable on the defensive side of the court...We lose an offensive piece, but you don't need 5 offensive parts on the floor all at once...With Luol Deng we get a super sixth man when Peja is healthy, and definatly someone who can easily step into Peja's spot when he walks at the end of the year...And Peja now becomes easily expendible (Peja/SAR/Corliss/our next 5 years worth of draft picks for KG) . We brng in youth, and with years those two will be keepers...Plus you can play Chandler and Skinner at the PF/C spots and have one helluva hustling/defending, albiet offensivly horrible, tandem diving around the court.

PG: Mike Bibby/Jason Hart/Ronnie Price
SG: Bonzi Wells/Cisco Garcia
SF: Peja/Luol Deng/Corliss Williamson
PF: SAR/Kenny Thomas/Jamal Sampson
C: Tyson Chandler/Brian Skinner/Jamal Sampson

They do it because: They want to push for a playoff run now...Right now they have a pretty bad offense with no "The man." Well Brad sure as hell doesn't solve that problem, but he IS sure as hell head and shoulders (and body and legs and etc) above Chandler offensivly...Losing Deng hurts, but it's made better by getting a youngster with Kevin, and a future draft pick...The team still stays young, but possibly improves for the now in the process.

PG: Chris Duhon/Jannero Pargo
SG: Kirk Hinrich/Ben Gordon/
SF: Andres Nocioni/Kevin Martin?
PF: Mike Sweetney/Darius Songaila/Othella Harrington
C: Brad Miller/???

Just one, and a fairly major one. The guy is one of the most foul prone players I have ever seen. Wouldn't mind having him with Brad in our frontline, but he gives foul prone a whole new meaning.

 

[Gary]

Gerald Wallace

Gerald Wallace................ I didn't get NBA LP this year, but going by stats WOW! 14ppg 7rpg 2bpg 2spg. We were talking defense prior to this year how nice would it have been to start Martin at SG, and keeping Wallace at SF. Trading Peja for a PF, and maybe moving Bibby and starting Bobby Jackson at PG (if we hadn't traded him).

PG-Bobby J
SG-Martin
SF-Wallace
PF-whoever we get for Peja
C-Miller

When I talk about moving Bibby, and Peja maybe move them both together for a high caliber guy that can play some D.

 

[BMiller52]

Gerald Wallace................ I didn't get NBA LP this year, but going by stats WOW! 14ppg 7rpg 2bpg 2spg. We were talking defense prior to this year how nice would it have been to start Martin at SG, and keeping Wallace at SF. Trading Peja for a PF, and maybe moving Bibby and starting Bobby Jackson at PG (if we hadn't traded him).

PG-Bobby J
SG-Martin
SF-Wallace
PF-whoever we get for Peja
C-Miller

When I talk about moving Bibby, and Peja maybe move them both together for a high caliber guy that can play some D.

Who do you think we could've gotten for Bibby+Peja last year? Jermaine O'neal maybe?

 

[SacTownKid]

Who do you think we could've gotten for Bibby+Peja last year? Jermaine O'neal maybe?

Not a chance.

 

[Gary]

Not a chance.

Why not? We got Webber for Richmond. We are talking Petrie here, he is the miracle worker. Peja 2 years ago (25ppg 7rpg peja) was worth a hell of a lot. I still think both together packaged could fetch a decent young forward.

 

[Bricklayer]

Why not? We got Webber for Richmond. We are talking Petrie here, he is the miracle worker. Peja 2 years ago (25ppg 7rpg peja) was worth a hell of a lot. I still think both together packaged could fetch a decent young forward.

Webber for Richmond depended on the team on the other side seeing little hope and being unhappy with their guy. You just really can't pluck top players off of top teams. Gotta find struggling teams, dissatisified teams.

 

[AleksandarN]

Webber for Richmond depended on the team on the other side seeing little hope and being unhappy with their guy. You just really can't pluck top players off of top teams. Gotta find struggling teams, dissatisified teams.

Like our team

 

[BMiller52]

Webber for Richmond depended on the team on the other side seeing little hope and being unhappy with their guy. You just really can't pluck top players off of top teams. Gotta find struggling teams, dissatisified teams.

who could we have gotten?

 

[Gary]

I like the whole idea of trading Peja, and Bibby. They are what is weak about this team. We have a guy that says he is the new leader but is not vocal after making the initial statement. He still pines away with his nail clippers when he is on the bench. Does nothign to try to be the "leader" he said he would be.

I know what you are saying though, Brick. Lightning does not strike twice in the same spot

 

[Padrino]

I like the whole idea of trading Peja, and Bibby. They are what is weak about this team. We have a guy that says he is the new leader but is not vocal after making the initial statement. He still pines away with his nail clippers when he is on the bench. Does nothign to try to be the "leader" he said he would be.

I know what you are saying though, Brick. Lightning does not strike twice in the same spot

so i guess that rules out trading with washington (webber), toronto (christie), indiana (miller), LA [clippers] (mobley), memphis (bibby, wells), and philadelphia (crap).

and memphis doesn't count as lightning striking the same place twice because the grizzlies franchise was in vancouver when we traded for bibby.

and i'm not even sure you can count philly as lightning striking, so we can still hold out for dalembert or iguodala.

 

[PFFFT!!]

I think Peja is looking for revenge here. Hes probably making himself untradeworthy by these injuries and playing subpar when he is healthy so he signs with another team next season and leaves the Kings empty handed. I wouldn't doubt that one bit. We're screwed.

 

[piksi]

I think Peja is looking for revenge here. Hes probably making himself untradeworthy by these injuries and playing subpar when he is healthy so he signs with another team next season and leaves the Kings empty handed. I wouldn't doubt that one bit. We're screwed.

wow

 

[FullAB]

I think Peja is looking for revenge here. Hes probably making himself untradeworthy by these injuries and playing subpar when he is healthy so he signs with another team next season and leaves the Kings empty handed. I wouldn't doubt that one bit. We're screwed.

umm......ok......

 

[VF21]

I think Peja is looking for revenge here. Hes probably making himself untradeworthy by these injuries and playing subpar when he is healthy so he signs with another team next season and leaves the Kings empty handed. I wouldn't doubt that one bit. We're screwed.

Lord.

If anything, he would be shooting himself in the foot or back as far as snagging a mega contract goes in free agency.

His trade value notwithstanding, people would be more willing to get him as part of a deal than they would be to pay him big bucks and a long-term contract based on this, his contract year.

All this drama that we seem to ascribe to Peja is ridiculous. He's not the devil incarnate. He's a young man who came here to play basketball for a lot of money. There is no reason to believe that he would purposefully fake injuries, especially when he's looking for a new contract.

If he wanted out, he could simply retire. It's not like he's going to have to go on welfare or anything.

 

[SacTownKid]

Why not? We got Webber for Richmond. We are talking Petrie here, he is the miracle worker. Peja 2 years ago (25ppg 7rpg peja) was worth a hell of a lot. I still think both together packaged could fetch a decent young forward.

As Brick said you have to find the right situation, one in which the organization is not high on their superstar player and are looking to move him. We have to look at the teams stuggling this year. The last deal involved 2 struggling teams helping eachother out, but the question is who could we even do a trade with. And the other question of who is a "superstar" in todays game if the idea is that to be successful you have to have one. I don't see too many of them out there.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Stars on underachieving teams, in no particular order:

1. Boston (Pierce)
2. New York (Marbury)
3. Toronto (Bosh? longshot)
4. Chicago (Deng? Hinrich? They're young, so it's tough)
5. Houston (T-Mac)
6. Orlando (Francis)
7. Seattle (Allen/Lewis)
8. Portland (Randolph)

A few notes:
I didn't include teams such as Charlotte or Atlanta, who are young and rebuilding around young players, so not much is expected. And they aren't likely to trade away a young nucleus they're building around.

Exceptions were the Bulls and Toronto. The Bulls because 1.They've already been interested in Peja, 2. Have tons of young talent and cap space, and I see them making moves to consolidate this summer. 3. As they made the playoffs last year, I feel they're underachieving this year

As for Tonroto, they're really hopeless and have two good PFs. If they're convinced he'll walk, they may--emphasis on the may--be willing to look at offers for Bosh. We'll see.

And for Houston, I know T-Mac isn't really available. But who knows. They could get fed up with his injuries and decide to build solely around Yao. Let Geoff convince them Bibby and Peja would look real good with Yao.

 

[VF21]

If Houston gets fed up with T-Mac and his injuries, I would expect the LAST team to take a chance on him to be the Kings. We turn healthy players into ambulance fodder. I shudder to think what might happen to McGrady before he even stepped off the plane.

 

[thesanityannex]

Any way to get Martin, Garcia, and KG playing together?????



That would be one of the lankiest, athletic three to take the court together.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Any way to get Martin, Garcia, and KG playing together?????



That would be one of the lankiest, athletic three to take the court together.

I will once again propose my Peja/Bonzi/SAR for KG deal. Good luck.

 

[AleksandarN]

Any way to get Martin, Garcia, and KG playing together?????



That would be one of the lankiest, athletic three to take the court together.

Yah, sure trade them to Minny. There is no way we could get KG.

 

[AleksandarN]

I will once again propose my Peja/Bonzi/SAR for KG deal. Good luck.

Sure, after you kidnap McHale's family.

 

[SacTownKid]

Stars on underachieving teams, in no particular order:

1. Boston (Pierce)
2. New York (Marbury)
3. Toronto (Bosh? longshot)
4. Chicago (Deng? Hinrich? They're young, so it's tough)
5. Houston (T-Mac)
6. Orlando (Francis)
7. Seattle (Allen/Lewis)
8. Portland (Randolph)

A few notes:
I didn't include teams such as Charlotte or Atlanta, who are young and rebuilding around young players, so not much is expected. And they aren't likely to trade away a young nucleus they're building around.

Exceptions were the Bulls and Toronto. The Bulls because 1.They've already been interested in Peja, 2. Have tons of young talent and cap space, and I see them making moves to consolidate this summer. 3. As they made the playoffs last year, I feel they're underachieving this year

As for Tonroto, they're really hopeless and have two good PFs. If they're convinced he'll walk, they may--emphasis on the may--be willing to look at offers for Bosh. We'll see.

And for Houston, I know T-Mac isn't really available. But who knows. They could get fed up with his injuries and decide to build solely around Yao. Let Geoff convince them Bibby and Peja would look real good with Yao.

That is one sad list when you really think about it. Pierce is the one player I could see being moved if Ainge has any sense.

 

[LPKingsFan]

How desperate are the Raps?

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
11.2 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.3 apg in 25.4 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
1.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.5 minutes

Chris Bosh
6-10 PF from Georgia Tech
22.5 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 38.5 minutes
Incoming

Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
15.1 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 3.2 apg in 34.4 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
16.5 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.2 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
16.3 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 3.2 apg in 34.8 minutes

Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +14.7 ppg, +8.4 rpg, and +4.1 apg.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
15.1 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 3.2 apg in 34.4 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
16.5 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.2 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
16.3 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 3.2 apg in 34.8 minutes

Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.6 minutes
Incoming

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
11.2 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.3 apg in 25.4 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
1.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.5 minutes

Chris Bosh
6-10 PF from Georgia Tech
22.5 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 38.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: -14.7 ppg, -8.4 rpg, and -4.1 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Toronto and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Toronto and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

[Warhawk]

Anyone see this today?

Nash acknowledges that the Blazers will probably wind up packaging some of their young players in a trade for veteran help to hasten the team's improvement. He notes that the team can neither afford to play all of them nor pay all of them when their rookie contracts expire. Their two most promising wing players appear to be Travis Outlaw, a shooter who is one of the league's most explosive leapers, and Viktor Khryapa, a poor man's Andrei Kirilenko. "Where we're short right now is we could use another effective big man, preferably a power forward,'' says Nash, noting that Randolph has no legitimate backup.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/ian_thomsen/01/19/thomsen.0120/2.html

Anything the Blazers have worth getting excited about for a veteran PF (we have a couple of those, don't we)?

 

[nbrans]

Outlaw has loads and loads of potential. Everytime he steps on the court he just looks tantalizing. If the Blazers wanted KT and would part with Outlaw and change, if I were Petrie I don't know if I could say "yes" fast enough.