Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

[captain bill]

As for Chandler, I'm not sure what medical problems you're talking about. As far as I can tell, he's played in all 29 games so far and I believe he's playing tonight. Or are you thinking of Curry, whose heart condition convinced the Bulls to trade him to the Knicks?

Chandler doesn't put up great stats, but there are a couple things to keep in mind. 1) Games aren't played on paper and stats aren't everything. Chandler provides a lot of the things (size & athleticism up front, shotblocking, rebounding) that the Kings need. 2) He's still only 23. He's five years from his prime, providing some youth and hope for the future as well. 3) The Kings don't need another guy to put up big offensive numbers. If he can get a few points off putbacks, running the floor and open jumpers, that's fine with me. The Kings don't need more scoring. If he could put up 8-10 points, 10+ rebounds and 2 blocks or so a game, I think that would be good enough.

He had asthma a while back, was taken out of the lineup and put back in. And he is not providing anything this year. He's been turning in 0-4 pts over the last few weeks and maxed out around 6 rebounds- avging like 3. On the season he's doing better, but I wouldn't jump until he resumes his old form and his breathing problems are in the past. Guys never, ever improve after 23, and there is no big jump when you hit 28. 9 out of 10 guys have similar stats from 22 to 34. Any big changes are anomalies. Chandler will be a 10/10 player and an above average defender. Coming to the Kings would only be bad for him- he needs to be somewhere he fits in the system- a solid defensive team that doesn't rely on any scoring, only an option if he gets wide open underneath a la Ben Wallace in Detroit. As long as Adleman is in Sac, the system will not use Tyson properly. I don't want him here unless there is a serious movement to alter Kings basketball. So no to Tyson: not healthy, not consistent, not as much upside (KG he ain't) and won't be used properly in Sac.

 

[BMiller52]

Here's another one, I don't know if anybody will like it though. Something has to be done to make it better for Atlanta, say some picks to make up for losing them to phoenix?

New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jeff McInnis
6-4 PG from North Carolina
5.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.1 minutes

Marc Jackson
6-10 PF from Temple
5.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 13.7 minutes

Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
19.3 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 4.2 apg in 40.2 minutes

Incoming
Peja Stojakovic

6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.4 minutes
Al Harrington

6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.9 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 3.3 apg in 37.1 minutes

Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, -0.6 rpg, and -1.4 apg.


Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing



Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 9.8 minutes



Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.4 minutes

Incoming

Jeff McInnis
6-4 PG from North Carolina
5.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.1 minutes


Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
19.3 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 4.2 apg in 40.2 minutes

Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and +3.5 apg.


Atlanta Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.9 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 3.3 apg in 37.1 minutes

Incoming



Marc Jackson
6-10 PF from Temple
5.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 13.7 minutes

Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 9.8 minutes

Change in team outlook: -11.2 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and -2.1 apg.



Successful ScenarioDue to New Jersey and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New Jersey and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.



Trade IDEvery trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 2785890.

 

[captain bill]

Sorry, but I don't think anyone likes that trade. NJ gives up some very solid players and ends up with much of the same, and congestion at the F/G position- not enough incentive to do the deal. Atlanta has zero reason to do this, and Sac says no by virtue of GP's love for Peja- Jefferson is close enough in talent to Peja for Petrie to not even consider this.

 

[DaMan]

Here's another one, I don't know if anybody will like it though. Something has to be done to make it better for Atlanta, say some picks to make up for losing them to phoenix?

New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jeff McInnis
6-4 PG from North Carolina
5.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.1 minutes

Marc Jackson
6-10 PF from Temple
5.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 13.7 minutes

Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
19.3 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 4.2 apg in 40.2 minutes

Incoming
Peja Stojakovic

6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.4 minutes
Al Harrington

6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.9 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 3.3 apg in 37.1 minutes

Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, -0.6 rpg, and -1.4 apg.


Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing



Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 9.8 minutes



Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.4 minutes

Incoming

Jeff McInnis
6-4 PG from North Carolina
5.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.1 minutes


Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
19.3 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 4.2 apg in 40.2 minutes

Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and +3.5 apg.


Atlanta Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.9 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 3.3 apg in 37.1 minutes

Incoming



Marc Jackson
6-10 PF from Temple
5.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 13.7 minutes

Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 9.8 minutes

Change in team outlook: -11.2 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and -2.1 apg.



Successful ScenarioDue to New Jersey and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New Jersey and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.



Trade IDEvery trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 2785890.

These trades are getting outta hand, first bosh, then t-mac now jefferson. There is no way that Nets trade jefferson, for god sakes they are in a 8 game winning steak. Why would they try to break that by trading one of their major pieces, Makes no sense. The nets are only interseted in minor trades for a big man with a small contract, so they might want skinner, maybe thomas, or even sar if they reget not signing him before. The only way that Jefferson gets traded is for every teams dream, KG, which also has a zero chance of happening.

 

[BMiller52]

These trades are getting outta hand, first bosh, then t-mac now jefferson. There is no way that Nets trade jefferson, for god sakes they are in a 8 game winning steak. Why would they try to break that by trading one of their major pieces, Makes no sense. The nets are only interseted in minor trades for a big man with a small contract, so they might want skinner, maybe thomas, or even sar if they reget not signing him before. The only way that Jefferson gets traded is for every teams dream, KG, which also has a zero chance of happening.

Ummm what? RJ isn't as good of a player as TMac is. They need a starting PF-Al Harrinton fits that. They get back a starting SF that can knock down any open shot he gets too. This trade makes them a near championship calibre team, atleast a lot better than they already are. I didn't propose a bosh trade, I talked about tmac but didn't propose one, and NJ WOULD do this. I don't even know who is starting at PF for them and Al is a good player. Same with Peja. Both those guys would seriously benefit from kidd's passes and carter. I don't see why NJ turns this down.

 

[BMiller52]

Sorry, but I don't think anyone likes that trade. NJ gives up some very solid players and ends up with much of the same, and congestion at the F/G position- not enough incentive to do the deal. Atlanta has zero reason to do this, and Sac says no by virtue of GP's love for Peja- Jefferson is close enough in talent to Peja for Petrie to not even consider this.

Al Harrington is a PF/SF... They don't even get back a guard in the trade. How is that F/G congestion? Atlanta gets back 2 centers/pf's which they have like 1 of on that whole roster. Then I'd fix it so they got back some picks or something. Sac says yes because Mcinnis>Jason All heart no game and Jefferson owns peja. Jefferson is a decent passing SF and he's athletic, he's a good rebounder, decent defender, a decent shooter now, and he's a good slasher. He's exactly what we need for Peja. AND he's pretty young still.

Heck, Jason Kidd even said he wanted to go for a chip this season. They're not winning a championship as it is right now. You add a starting calibre PF and a former all star(Peja) who needs a change of scenery and they might have a chance. I mean think about it: Mcinnis and Jackson aren't even playing and they're basically open for trade, and Peja can probably replace RJ's scoring. Collins bringing interior D off the bench for Krstic or Harrington. Vaughn gets Mcinnis's minutes now anyways.

 

[Packt]

Ummm what? RJ isn't as good of a player as TMac is. They need a starting PF-Al Harrinton fits that. They get back a starting SF that can knock down any open shot he gets too. This trade makes them a near championship calibre team, atleast a lot better than they already are. I didn't propose a bosh trade, I talked about tmac but didn't propose one, and NJ WOULD do this. I don't even know who is starting at PF for them and Al is a good player. Same with Peja. Both those guys would seriously benefit from kidd's passes and carter. I don't see why NJ turns this down.

Harrington is basically a taller, slower, less athletic Jefferson. They want a big man to do big man things like rebound and defend the paint. Harrington doesn't fit that. They could probably use Peja, but not at the expense of RJ. Trading for Peja means you either give him RJ money, and in that case RJ would be the better value, or lose him. Not exactly an enticing scenario, IMO.

 

[DaMan]

Ummm what? RJ isn't as good of a player as TMac is. They need a starting PF-Al Harrinton fits that. They get back a starting SF that can knock down any open shot he gets too. This trade makes them a near championship calibre team, atleast a lot better than they already are. I didn't propose a bosh trade, I talked about tmac but didn't propose one, and NJ WOULD do this. I don't even know who is starting at PF for them and Al is a good player. Same with Peja. Both those guys would seriously benefit from kidd's passes and carter. I don't see why NJ turns this down.

Sorry, didn't see that the nets were getting both peja and Al, then hell yea nj would do that trade. This would be perfect trade just depending on if the two guys the hawks are getting have near to expiring contracts. If so the the hawks would do it. I think that is a reasonaly trade.

 

[BMiller52]

Sorry, didn't see that the nets were getting both peja and Al, then hell yea nj would do that trade. This would be perfect trade just depending on if the two guys the hawks are getting have near to expiring contracts. If so the the hawks would do it. I think that is a reasonaly trade.

They both have short contracts. I think that if we sent them a pick(lottery protected this year, top 5 next, 0 protection in 08) they'd pull the trigger.

 

[DaMan]

They both have short contracts. I think that if we sent them a pick(lottery protected this year, top 5 next, 0 protection in 08) they'd pull the trigger.

Agreed, here is a website that might interest some people.

http://www.probasketballnews.com/amico_0103.html

 

[uopmatt]

What are you talking about....

[ Atlanta has zero reason to do this, and Sac says no by virtue of GP's love for Peja- Jefferson is close enough in talent to Peja for Petrie to not even consider this.[/quote]

I agree that Atlanta has no reason to make this trade unless they are getting some picks but how can you say that Peja and Jefferson are close in talent. Have you looked at their numbers lately or watched any games. By no means am I a New Jersey fan but they would have to be smoking some good stuff to ever think about trading Jefferson for Peja. Jefferson is a young, athletic, can rebound, pass, and create his own shot with high efficiencency. Although, if the Nets are stupid enough to make that deal I would do it in a heart beat.

 

[BMiller52]

[ Atlanta has zero reason to do this, and Sac says no by virtue of GP's love for Peja- Jefferson is close enough in talent to Peja for Petrie to not even consider this.

I agree that Atlanta has no reason to make this trade unless they are getting some picks but how can you say that Peja and Jefferson are close in talent. Have you looked at their numbers lately or watched any games. By no means am I a New Jersey fan but they would have to be smoking some good stuff to ever think about trading Jefferson for Peja. Jefferson is a young, athletic, can rebound, pass, and create his own shot with high efficiencency. Although, if the Nets are stupid enough to make that deal I would do it in a heart beat.

They get back al harrington too who would start at pf for them.

 

[SLAB]

---Kings Trade---

Peja Stojakovic: 17.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.3 apg

Jason Hart: 3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.2 apg

Plus a pick...

---Knicks Trade---

Quentin Richardson: 7.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.5 apg

Nate Robinson: 8.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.6 apg

Jackie Butler: 3.9 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.4 apg

---Change in Team Outlook---

-0.6 ppg, +3.4 rpg, +/- 0.0 apg

Kings do it because: Get a sparkplug Bobby Jackson-esq player with Nate Robinson...A chrage off the bench would be very nice...Now we shift Bonzi to the 3, and Q becomes our designated shooter. We also get a nice young big with Jackie Butler...Potentially maybe throw in a pick to NY to offset the youth they give up to us, though...Send Butler to the DL, as we know he'd get absolutly no minutes, maybe?

Lineup

PG: Bibby/Robinson/Price
SG: Richardson/Martin
SF: Bonzi/Cisco/Williamson
PF: SAR/Thomas/Williamson
C: Miller/Skinner/Butler/Sampson

Knicks do it because: They hope that Peja can return to his old-form. Maybe a change of scenery is all they need...And they don't need to worry about him at the end of the year, because we all know New York throws money around like it's nothing...

Lineup

PG: Marbury/Hart/
SG: Crawford/
SF: Peja/Ariza
PF: Lee/Rose/Taylor
C: Curry/Frye/Davis

Eh...After looking at it, I see no way in the world that New York goes for it...They'd be even more of a mess after this trade than boefore it.

So nevermind.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Would Detroit bite?

Detroit Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
3.7 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 3.4 apg in 13.4 minutes

Darko Milicic
7-0 C from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
1.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.2 minutes
Incoming

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
6.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.2 minutes

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.2 apg in 12.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +4.8 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and -1.0 apg.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
6.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.2 minutes

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.2 apg in 12.6 minutes
Incoming

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
3.7 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 3.4 apg in 13.4 minutes

Darko Milicic
7-0 C from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
1.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -4.8 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and +1.0 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Detroit and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Detroit and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

[VF21]

The question isn't if Detroit would bite. The question, IMHO, is just how good ARE Geoff Petrie's Jedi mind tricks?

 

[BigWaxer]

Detriot has only lost 4 games. I think it's pretty safe to assume they won't be in the mix for any trades.

 

[BMiller52]

---Kings Trade---

Peja Stojakovic: 17.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.3 apg

Jason Hart: 3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.2 apg

Plus a pick...

---Knicks Trade---

Quentin Richardson: 7.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.5 apg

Nate Robinson: 8.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.6 apg

Jackie Butler: 3.9 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.4 apg

---Change in Team Outlook---

-0.6 ppg, +3.4 rpg, +/- 0.0 apg

Kings do it because: Get a sparkplug Bobby Jackson-esq player with Nate Robinson...A chrage off the bench would be very nice...Now we shift Bonzi to the 3, and Q becomes our designated shooter. We also get a nice young big with Jackie Butler...Potentially maybe throw in a pick to NY to offset the youth they give up to us, though...Send Butler to the DL, as we know he'd get absolutly no minutes, maybe?

Lineup

PG: Bibby/Robinson/Price
SG: Richardson/Martin
SF: Bonzi/Cisco/Williamson
PF: SAR/Thomas/Williamson
C: Miller/Skinner/Butler/Sampson

Knicks do it because: They hope that Peja can return to his old-form. Maybe a change of scenery is all they need...And they don't need to worry about him at the end of the year, because we all know New York throws money around like it's nothing...

Lineup

PG: Marbury/Hart/
SG: Crawford/
SF: Peja/Ariza
PF: Lee/Rose/Taylor
C: Curry/Frye/Davis

Eh...After looking at it, I see no way in the world that New York goes for it...They'd be even more of a mess after this trade than boefore it.

So nevermind.

We get killed in that trade.

 

[Bricklayer]

Detriot has only lost 4 games. I think it's pretty safe to assume they won't be in the mix for any trades.

Not so sure about that -- just doubt Kenny would whet their appetite. But they could use some punch off the bench. Not that this wouldn't be a terrible risk (albeit one that could still have you come out smelling roses) but if you went Peja for Darko and Arroyo I bet they bite and waltz on to the title. (Ironic that somebody else thought of Darko and Arroyo as the same thought occurred to me just this morning.)

Their starters? Absolutely not. But Darko...as he languishes for year 3 and isn't contributing anything I think he could go at anytime if they could get a guaranteed championship in return.

 

[BMiller52]

Not so sure about that -- just doubt Kenny would whet their appetite. But they could use some punch off the bench. Not that this wouldn't be a terrible risk (albeit one that could still have you come out smelling roses) but if you went Peja for Darko and Arroyo I bet they bite and waltz on to the title. (Ironic that somebody else thought of Darko and Arroyo as the same thought occurred to me just this morning.)

Their starters? Absolutely not. But Darko...as he languishes for year 3 and isn't contributing anything I think he could go at anytime if they could get a guaranteed championship in return.

And the city of sacramento would bite geoff petrie's head off if he did that

 

[SLAB]

We get killed in that trade.

How in God's name do we get killed?!

We get...

1: A backup spark-plug of a point guard.
2: A designated shooter, which is pretty much all Peja is now, except we won't try to force Q to be the centerpiece of our offense.
3: A 20/21 year old big with potential.

We give up...

1: Pretty much a shooter (and nothing more) that seems to wreak havok to our offense, and is probably gone after the year.
2: The worst backup PG in the game.

Hmmm...Explain, please?

 

[Bricklayer]

And the city of sacramento would bite geoff petrie's head off if he did that

Most likely.

And it might well be warranted.

Or, if Darko lives up to his former promise, it becomes like the drafting of Peja himself -- a masterstroke.

Would require some big ole brass cahones to pull the trigger though.

 

[BMiller52]

How in God's name do we get killed?!

We get...

1: A backup spark-plug of a point guard.
2: A designated shooter, which is pretty much all Peja is now, except we won't try to force Q to be the centerpiece of our offense.
3: A 20/21 year old big with potential.

We give up...

1: Pretty much a shooter (and nothing more) that seems to wreak havok to our offense, and is probably gone after the year.
2: The worst backup PG in the game.

Hmmm...Explain, please?

QRich has back problems and he's not as good as peja. Nate is going to be a good backup in his career, that's it. Now if they put Ariza in and we threw a 2nd rounder their way I'd do it. Not to mention we give up a pick in that trade.

 

[SLAB]

QRich has back problems and he's not as good as peja. Nate is going to be a good backup in his career, that's it. Now if they put Ariza in and we threw a 2nd rounder their way I'd do it. Not to mention we give up a pick in that trade.

As of right now, Peja isn't that good...His shooting is going down, and not to mention he's been oft-injured this year as well.

Nate is a good backup NOW! He's only recently been moved to the starting 5, and he's been averaging like 8 points...And imagine...A fan favorite, undersized, super-athletic, backup PG coming off the bench? Does that sound familiar to you? I think so.

And not to mention the youth we bring in...

Peja = 28 yrs.
Hart = 27 yrs.

Q = 25 yrs.
Robinson = 21 yrs.
Butler = 20 yrs.

Youth = good....Especially when you should be thinking about the future...This team isn't winning as is...Why not do a shakeup that brings in youth and potential needed pieces.

 

[Bricklayer]

Richardson a) has his own injury issues; b) has a big contract; and c) has the basketbal IQ of a flatworm.

Nate's cool though and has some Bobbyesque potential.

Still one of those deals which has "spiraling down into the lottery" written all over it.

 

[Kings113]

Nate's so great and fun, he plays big and is versatile.

 

[nbrans]

Richardson a) has his own injury issues; b) has a big contract; and c) has the basketbal IQ of a flatworm.

Nate's cool though and has some Bobbyesque potential.

Still one of those deals which has "spiraling down into the lottery" written all over it.

I agree with the spiraling down into the lottery part. Nate has some Bobbyesque offensive potential, but forget about him coming in for defense.

 

[Kings113]

Acutally Nate's a good man-man defender, and obviously very quick, athletic, and is strong. Just off hand, he played Allen Iverson very well in most of the 2nd half in a double OT win, in late November I think. Which had his awesome game-winning corner three, over AI, at the buzzer. In the post-ups where it's trouble, of course.

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/naterobinson.asp - a bit outdated to a degree, but it's something.

 

[thesanityannex]

Anyone have ESPN Insider.


Chad Ford has mentioned a possible Peja/Kenny for Odom trade. Don't know if there is much to it since I can't read the damn article. Can someone post it???

 

[Kings113]

Odom/Wells would make for a fun wing combo... I'd dig and do that trade.

 

[CaminoChaos]

Anyone have ESPN Insider.


Chad Ford has mentioned a possible Peja/Kenny for Odom trade. Don't know if there is much to it since I can't read the damn article. Can someone post it???

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