ok, seriously - not to be a downer or..

[jeffjcalweb]

point fingers at one player, but what the heck happened to brad miller this series? don't give me a load of $#!$ about matchups cuz he was lined up against rasha and nazaar, not duncan.

game 6 stats:

18 mins, 1-6 fg, 4 rebs, 1 assist, 3 TO's and 3 pts.

his series numbers were something like 10pts, 3 assists, 3 rebs/game.

throw in his defensive play throughout the season being his worst since coming to sacto tells me something must be wrong, or its time to re-evaluate him as a 'core' player.

 

[Rome]

no no you got it all wrong. He's untouchable and has to be one of our core players because he can "spread the floor". Didn't you see his Dirk like shots....

 

[QueensFan]

point fingers at one player, but what the heck happened to brad miller this series? don't give me a load of $#!$ about matchups cuz he was lined up against rasha and nazaar, not duncan.

game 6 stats:

18 mins, 1-6 fg, 4 rebs, 1 assist, 3 TO's and 3 pts.

his series numbers were something like 10pts, 3 assists, 3 rebs/game.

throw in his defensive play throughout the season being his worst since coming to sacto tells me something must be wrong, or its time to re-evaluate him as a 'core' player.

Yeah, wow, what a lousy series from him.

But to be honest, I'm even more disappointed by Bibby in this series. I had much higher expectations of him - I was expecting 30 a night from him - and he just didn't seem to deliver the big shots when the Kings needed them.

 

[SacTownKing4Life]

Yeah, wow, what a lousy series from him.

But to be honest, I'm even more disappointed by Bibby in this series. I had much higher expectations of him - I was expecting 30 a night from him - and he just didn't seem to deliver the big shots when the Kings needed them.

30 a night against the Spurs, isn't that a high expectation when he averaged approx 21pts/game during the season in general?

 

[QueensFan]

30 a night against the Spurs, isn't that a high expectation when he averaged approx 21pts/game during the season in general?

This isn't "during the season in general."

Bibby earned his reputation in the playoffs, and I think he averaged close to 30 a game this year vs. Tony Parker who isn't a good defender. So no, I don't think it was unreasonable. But more importantly, he didn't bring the spark that I expected out of him. That's why I'm disappointed.

 

[angjo_2005]

"no no you got it all wrong. He's untouchable and has to be one of our core players because he can "spread the floor". Didn't you see his Dirk like shots.... "


Miller a "core" player, you got to be joking me... First of his not as athletic as DIRK... Dirk is a more consistent player, and has better post up games than Brad.. BRAD cnt jump, Brad cnt rebound, and defenitly not block shots... WOW, center huh.... seriously get rid of him....

 

[VF21]

And so it begins...

 

[hoops4kings]

Brad was just overall horrible in this series sans 1 game. I don't know if this team can stand a chance in the playoffs with a player like Brad who doesn't play a lick of post defense. If his shot is off, he's a liability in the biggest way on the court.

His rebounding and aggressiveness are real cause for concern for Kings fans next year.

 

[jeffjcalweb]

And so it begins...

what begins? even you can't logically defend brad's horrific performance in the playoffs. i'm not saying throw him out of town he sucks, i'm just saying its time to make a change. continued evolution from the CW, Vlade, B-Jax era of which brad really shined in. like peja, brad was a major receipent of CW and Vlade, those days are gone. Brad has had 2 seasons to step-up - you think he's proven to be a franchise player worth building around? not with this team, sorry.

 

[QueensFan]

And so it begins...

What begins? You don't think it's legitimate to break down the series and talk about who played well and who didn't?

 

[BLNINJA #81]

what begins? even you can't logically defend brad's horrific performance in the playoffs. i'm not saying throw him out of town he sucks, i'm just saying its time to make a change. continued evolution from the CW, Vlade, B-Jax era of which brad really shined in. like peja, brad was a major receipent of CW and Vlade, those days are gone. Brad has had 2 seasons to step-up - you think he's proven to be a franchise player worth building around? not with this team, sorry.

And you are 100% right. It's time for the leftovers of the past to go and build a new future. Right now that only includes Ron and Bonzi.

 

[Team Dime]

And so it begins...

Just curious, do you find it right to dissect what's right and what's wrong with this team; which includes giving out both personal blame and criticism for the players?

Granted, the Kings lost to a #1 seed, the defending champs, but Miller was better off not even showing up.

 

[natedizzle]

And you are 100% right. It's time for the leftovers of the past to go and build a new future. Right now that only includes Ron and Bonzi.

Don't forget K-mart and Cisco

 

[jeffjcalweb]

And you are 100% right. It's time for the leftovers of the past to go and build a new future. Right now that only includes Ron and Bonzi.

i'd add bibby to the list, along with Kevin Martin (i'll never use K-mart) and Garcia. Martin and Garcia showed enough to keep them in the mix, not as 'core' or franchise players, but they do provide some skill and athelticism that was severly lacking last year.

bibby
artest
bonzi
martin
garcia

everyone else is fair game. SAR is borderline, he doesn't cost much and had a good season, can't really find too much to fault at the MLE and what he provides.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

SAR is here at the right price. I say he stays. Bibby I feel is borderline. He's no longer a real PG.

 

[kingsfannPDX]

i'm not saying throw him out of town he sucks

ehh, it might not be a bad idea

 

[Team Dime]

SAR is here at the right price. I say he stays. Bibby I feel is borderline. He's no longer a real PG.

How is that? Lot's of PG's can't play D. I think Adelmans' design has been to have the ball go through Miller instead of having Bibby distribute.

 

[reyes13]

I agree...for 13mil you have to wonder about Bibby. Yeah he logged major minutes this season, but his best season was with CWebb and Vlade. Same with Miller. Our supposed core three (Miller, Peja, Bibby) really have shown that they aren't leaders by getting eliminated twice in the 1st round...yet Miller and Bibby are the highest paid on the roster.

 

[Amory]

And so it begins...

Yes.........TDOS!!!!

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

No, you're not a downer at all. It's just the harsh reality.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

Yes.........TDOS!!!!

Is TDOS the dam offseason? Not sure what it stands for exactly.

 

[GoGoGadget]

The Dreaded Off-Season.

 

[GameBall]

Brad is the new Peja. He just looks like he doesn't want to play basketball. He is 7 feet tall and his rebounding is terrible. He is a defensive turnstile. I would trade him for a role player type of big man right now (i.e. just there to rebound and block shots, not necessarily be a scorer except for garbage points). I say trade him to Portland for Joel Pryzbilla or to Houston for Dikembe Mutombo or even to Indiana for Jeff Foster.

 

[QueensFan]

Brad is the new Peja. He just looks like he doesn't want to play basketball. He is 7 feet tall and his rebounding is terrible. He is a defensive turnstile. I would trade him for a role player type of big man right now (i.e. just there to rebound and block shots, not necessarily be a scorer except for garbage points). I say trade him to Portland for Joel Pryzbilla or to Houston for Dikembe Mutombo or even to Indiana for Jeff Foster.

The ESPN guys were even making fun of him for being such a lousy shot blocker.

 

[sdballer]

Brad is the new Peja. He just looks like he doesn't want to play basketball. He is 7 feet tall and his rebounding is terrible. He is a defensive turnstile. I would trade him for a role player type of big man right now (i.e. just there to rebound and block shots, not necessarily be a scorer except for garbage points). I say trade him to Portland for Joel Pryzbilla or to Houston for Dikembe Mutombo or even to Indiana for Jeff Foster.

How about Miller/Thomas to Indiana for Foster/Croshere/Johnson/Granger? I know you lose a top center but you get a very good post defender/rebounder, good outside shooting, a serviceable backup PG and a very good young prospect. Indiana gets rid of a couple of contracts, gets a center so they can move O'Neal back to PF.

 

[KingCookie]

Man, I can't do this yet. See you Monday.

 

[Burrito06]

This isn't "during the season in general."

Bibby earned his reputation in the playoffs, and I think he averaged close to 30 a game this year vs. Tony Parker who isn't a good defender. So no, I don't think it was unreasonable. But more importantly, he didn't bring the spark that I expected out of him. That's why I'm disappointed.

Parker wasn't guarding him one on one. Their center could help parker make Mike change directions. Brad not hitting his shot really helped the Spurs concentrate more on Mike, Bonzi and Ron. The floor wasn't as open as it has been all year.

 

[Burrito06]

SAR is here at the right price. I say he stays. Bibby I feel is borderline. He's no longer a real PG.

Bibby can run an offense. He did it in Vancouver with little help. The thing that has hindered his play making ability is the fact that we run the highpost offense. Everything runs through Brad. I see this offense as being dead in Sac next year. If Rick is still here, I think that we will become a low post team who is going to pound you.

 

[Nazman]

Brad is the new Peja. He just looks like he doesn't want to play basketball. He is 7 feet tall and his rebounding is terrible. He is a defensive turnstile. I would trade him for a role player type of big man right now (i.e. just there to rebound and block shots, not necessarily be a scorer except for garbage points). I say trade him to Portland for Joel Pryzbilla or to Houston for Dikembe Mutombo or even to Indiana for Jeff Foster.

Funny you should make that comparison. Peja disappeared after Kingball shifted focus to the Brad and Bibby show. Not to say that Peja didn't have his weaknesses. They were all well documented. But he was also a part of an amazing run after Chris Webber got hurt. Because he was a part of the mix.

Brad disappeared (so to speak...and again the reference to Peja is perfect) after Kingball became the Artest/Bonzi extravaganza (Slim, everyone does get to have an opinion, i hope).

I have never been a huge Miller fan although i have enjoyed what he brought to the floor when he was more a focus for the team. He provided many memorable moments.

My sense is that he was essentially displaced. Your identity changes. And he was never the 'give me the ball' type of player so once the offense shifted to BW/RA he sort of faded from view.

I saw Artest literally take the ball out of Bibby's hand's last night. Kingball shifted focus. And it looks like it cost Brad Miller.

Somebody always pays for somebody else's glory. At least it would seem logical in this case.

It's not that Brad doesn't have the weaknesses that have become so glaring now that he is not the cog in the wheel. Just keep in mind, however, he used to be the focal point of the offense.

Why should it be such a surpise that he disappeared. No, he wasn't pouting which may or may not have been Peja's situation, but he is the victim, in a manner of speaking, of a focal shift in Sacramento.

Ron has been a great boost to the ballclub as has been Bonzi. They are fierceless warriors. All i am saying is that they all have their weaknesses. And Brad's biggest weakness is not that he isn't a warrior, but that he is more likely going to give himself over to whatever is the Agenda.

I am unsure about the Bonzi/Artest bandwagon. And Brad clearly has weaknesses. But hey let's hold up on the crucifixion of Brad Miller. Not all who wander are lost...

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

... Brad disappeared (so to speak...and again the reference to Peja is perfect) after Kingball became the Artest/Bonzi extravaganza (Slim, everyone does get to have an opinion, i hope).

Why the **** am I getting called into this?