OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

[ParniValjak]

Harpring would be good. Chandler would be good. Etan Thomas would be good. The question is, how do we realistically get them?

Kenny Thomas might interest Wizards

Would be stoked if we could get Harpring as a 2/3 off the bench. Maybe Corliss and a pick or a 3 or 4 team trade

No chance of getting Chandler. More chance of me winning the lotto than us getting Chandler.

 

[King4Life]

Kenny Thomas might interest Wizards

Would be stoked if we could get Harpring as a 2/3 off the bench. Maybe Corliss and a pick or a 3 or 4 team trade

No chance of getting Chandler. More chance of me winning the lotto than us getting Chandler.

If the Wizards have any interest in Kenny Thomas, the Kings could try to get Brendon Haywood. He brings some things the Kings don't have ...size, rebounding, shotblocking ...

 

[captain bill]

Harpring would be good. Chandler would be good. Etan Thomas would be good. The question is, how do we realistically get them?

look up (other than the chandler part) people posting lots of (semi) viable possibilities.

 

[mbkings10]

If the Wizards have any interest in Kenny Thomas, the Kings could try to get Brendon Haywood. He brings some things the Kings don't have ...size, rebounding, shotblocking ...

Washington is in need for bigs, I don't see them trading their biggest player for a tweener.

 

[Catalyst]

VERY few teams will have any interest in Kenny Thomas. He's overpaid, his contract lasts forever and he's undersized. His skills are good, but at best he's a bench PF.

The only reason Sacramento took on Kenny's contract is so they could get rid of Webber's. Getting another team to accept Thomas' deal is going to require a great deal of .... well, I don't know know anything that would make someone accept him a trade.

He's darn close to unmovable unless he's coupled with a bunch of talent -- say someone like Peja. In other words, you're not going to see anyone take on Kenny Thomas unless they have brain damage. Except maybe the Knicks....

 

[Kings113]

I doubt KT is coming off the bench... he'll be traded somewhere. One of the teams Bill mentioned could fit.

 

[captain bill]

VERY few teams will have any interest in Kenny Thomas. He's overpaid, his contract lasts forever and he's undersized. His skills are good, but at best he's a bench PF.

The only reason Sacramento took on Kenny's contract is so they could get rid of Webber's. Getting another team to accept Thomas' deal is going to require a great deal of .... well, I don't know know anything that would make someone accept him a trade.

He's darn close to unmovable unless he's coupled with a bunch of talent -- say someone like Peja. In other words, you're not going to see anyone take on Kenny Thomas unless they have brain damage. Except maybe the Knicks....

he's only a bench player here because we've been spoiled rotten with Cwebb. KT is better then probably half of the starters in this league. EC isa perfect fit for him, but not out here in the west.

 

[Bricklayer]

he's only a bench player here because we've been spoiled rotten with Cwebb. KT is better then probably half of the starters in this league.

Not nearly half -- I've done the Western Conference comparisons several times this offseason, and KT finishes somewhere about 12th or 13th out of 15 out here. He's probably ahead of PJ Brown and Juwann Howard (but now with Stromile signed, who knows), and depnding on how you feel about bump and thump in Seattle may be ahead there too.

He of course would fare better in the East, and he IS one of the Top 30 starting type PFs in the league. He can start for bad teams, and there are teams out there who have nobody better. But not that that many, and not half the league.

If it weren't for that damn contract, I would think there would be a reasonable chance to move him to a place like Washington, or Boston, or out here to the Knicks, or maybe even Chicago and see what we could get back. But with his deal, who knows if ANY of those teams would actually want him. I'm sure he'll take his $35 mil and go skipping to the bank, but in some ways its too bad because his contract and attitude artificially hold his value down to various teams. As a willing bencher with a reasonable deal, think he could be useful to a fair number of teams, although undersized PFs aren't nromally a great thing to bring off the bench. As a guy determined to start with a bad and overlong deal...

 

[kingsofnba]

if the kings sign SAR, then they need to trade either Thomas or Corliss... taken that thomas and his massive $35mil contract, he will be very hard to move... it will probably be corliss on the move...

couple of trade possibilities are:

with the pacers... corliss for scot pollard... this will give the kings a energy/hustle guy to backup miller and he is in the last year of his contract... the pacers barely use pollard and rick carliles has a history with corliss... he was the coach of the pistons the year corliss won the 6th man of the year award.... with the unpredictable artest and dale davis and croshere possibly gone, the pacers will need backup help at the SF/PF...

another trade possiblity is with the nets... they were desperatly searching for a PF, but let SAR go... so they are still in the hunt for a starting PF... if the kings could send Thomas and maybe Songaila to the nets for Jason Collins and maybe ron mercer.... the nets would get a proven double-double guy in the eastern conference in thomas and a reliable backup in songaila.... the kings get a big, shot blocking defensive wide body to backup miller and a swing man to backup SF/SG, plus mercer is in the last year of his contract.... plus the kings would get rid of thomas massive contract

 

[Kings113]

Corliss for James Jones! Yeah, it's probably unlikely (RFA), but he'd be my absolute ideal choice for back-up SF next to Harpring. Barnes and others behind them.

I would never waste Songaila on Collins... the Wizards are the better pool. I dig Mercer though, would be an energy/instant offense guy off the bench.

Hart/Price/Martin/Garcia/Jones or Barnes or Harpring/E. Thomas/Skinner or Elson or KT/Sampson = goood

 

[thesanityannex]

if the kings sign SAR, then they need to trade either Thomas or Corliss... taken that thomas and his massive $35mil contract, he will be very hard to move... it will probably be corliss on the move...

couple of trade possibilities are:

with the pacers... corliss for scot pollard... this will give the kings a energy/hustle guy to backup miller and he is in the last year of his contract... the pacers barely use pollard and rick carliles has a history with corliss... he was the coach of the pistons the year corliss won the 6th man of the year award.... with the unpredictable artest and dale davis and croshere possibly gone, the pacers will need backup help at the SF/PF...

another trade possiblity is with the nets... they were desperatly searching for a PF, but let SAR go... so they are still in the hunt for a starting PF... if the kings could send Thomas and maybe Songaila to the nets for Jason Collins and maybe ron mercer.... the nets would get a proven double-double guy in the eastern conference in thomas and a reliable backup in songaila.... the kings get a big, shot blocking defensive wide body to backup miller and a swing man to backup SF/SG, plus mercer is in the last year of his contract.... plus the kings would get rid of thomas massive contract

That means we have SAR at PF, no thanks. I'd like him as SF.

 

[CaminoChaos]

if the kings sign SAR, then they need to trade either Thomas or Corliss... taken that thomas and his massive $35mil contract, he will be very hard to move... it will probably be corliss on the move...

couple of trade possibilities are:

with the pacers... corliss for scot pollard... this will give the kings a energy/hustle guy to backup miller and he is in the last year of his contract... the pacers barely use pollard and rick carliles has a history with corliss... he was the coach of the pistons the year corliss won the 6th man of the year award.... with the unpredictable artest and dale davis and croshere possibly gone, the pacers will need backup help at the SF/PF...

another trade possiblity is with the nets... they were desperatly searching for a PF, but let SAR go... so they are still in the hunt for a starting PF... if the kings could send Thomas and maybe Songaila to the nets for Jason Collins and maybe ron mercer.... the nets would get a proven double-double guy in the eastern conference in thomas and a reliable backup in songaila.... the kings get a big, shot blocking defensive wide body to backup miller and a swing man to backup SF/SG, plus mercer is in the last year of his contract.... plus the kings would get rid of thomas massive contract

1. I think Corliss and Thomas are more productive than Pollard. Also I see Skinner as a very capable back up to Miller.

2. Nets already picked up Marc Jackson. I just don't think anybody wants Thomas.

 

[DocHolliday]

Would using our one time Amnesty on someone like Thomas, and going and picking up some worthwhile backup talent for less be an option?

 

[Kings113]

Thomas and mention of amnesty = not good.

 

[DocHolliday]

Thomas and mention of amnesty = not good.

I'm just thinking if we do in fact get SAR. Is it worth having kenny thomas sitting around for 6.5 to over 8 for the next few years.

 

[Kings113]

He would definitely be traded, or come off the bench (apparently said he'd accept being involved in the regular/active rotation).

 

[uolj]

I'm just thinking if we do in fact get SAR. Is it worth having kenny thomas sitting around for 6.5 to over 8 for the next few years.

It would be better than having him playing for another team while still paying him. (Remember that if you waive a guy with the amnesty clause, you still must pay the contract and it still counts against the salary cap).

 

[VF21]

It would be better than having him playing for another team while still paying him. (Remember that if you waive a guy with the amnesty clause, you still must pay the contract and it still counts against the salary cap).

Exactly.

I don't think people realize that most of us don't dislike Kenny Thomas; we just don't think he's a good fit for our team at the PF and we would rather the money for his contract be spent on someone else.

That doesn't mean we're advocating waiving him and still having to PAY his salary. That would make zero sense whatsoever.

 

[DocHolliday]

OK OK see I misunderstood the amnesty. I thought you had a one time, you can waive the person and contract is null and void, and you don't owe anything. Ok, nevermind. Now that's clear to me.

 

[kingsofnba]

1. I think Corliss and Thomas are more productive than Pollard. Also I see Skinner as a very capable back up to Miller.

2. Nets already picked up Marc Jackson. I just don't think anybody wants Thomas.

1) the point of picking up pollard is because he is in the last year of his contract, meaning he would come off the salary cap next summer... corliss has 2 years remaining at $6mil and $6.5mil... skinner would back up PF and Thomas would either be traded or back up peja at SF... pollard would be an adequate defensive backup C...

2) Marc Jackson is by no means a starting PF... he is a good backup C/PF, but not starter qulaity and the nets know that... thomas on the other hand has proven to be a very capable starting PF in the eastern conference, where he averaged a double-double 2 years ago for philly... i'm hoping the nets remember how well he did as a 76er, since he played in the same division as the nets before...

don't forget the object of these proposed trades is to get some defense and rebounding and add some salary cap flexibility for the coming years

 

[VF21]

I don't think Indiana is in any hurry to trade Scot Pollard back to the Kings. Even though the team and the fans have come to appreciate Samurai Scot, I hear they're still a tad upset about the whole Miller deal. To the point where it's highly likely no one in the Pacers organization will take calls from California.

 

[SoupIsGood]

We break Scot out to play against Shaq four times a season, and that's about it. We'd deal him for the right price, such as a nice back-up PF (who is actually a PF, not a SF playing PF). Skinner sure would be nice.

We'll probably just let his contract expire, though.

 

[macadocious]

Proposed Boston Sac Trade that would work

Sacramento Trade BreakdownOutgoingCorliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutesKenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutesPeja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutesIncomingMark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutesPaul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutesChange in team outlook: -11.2 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and +1.2 apg.
Boston Trade BreakdownOutgoingMark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutesPaul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutesIncomingCorliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutesKenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutesPeja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutesChange in team outlook: +11.2 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

Successful ScenarioDue to Sacramento and Boston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Boston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

[macadocious]

trade pieces

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Trade=

Peja, KT, Corlis

for

Paul Pierce and Mark Blount

 

[VF21]

We have a very lengthy ongoing trade thread. I'm moving this there...

 

[macadocious]

Proposed Boston Sac Trade that would work

Peja, Corliss and KT for Paul Pierce and Mark Blount

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Sacramento Trade BreakdownOutgoingCorliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutesKenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutesPeja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutesIncomingMark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutesPaul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutesChange in team outlook: -11.2 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and +1.2 apg.
Boston Trade BreakdownOutgoingMark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutesPaul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutesIncomingCorliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutesKenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutesPeja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutesChange in team outlook: +11.2 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

Successful ScenarioDue to Sacramento and Boston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Boston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

[SacTownKid]

Proposed Boston Sac Trade that would work

Peja, Corliss and KT for Paul Pierce and Mark Blount

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Sacramento Trade BreakdownOutgoingCorliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutesKenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutesPeja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutesIncomingMark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutesPaul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutesChange in team outlook: -11.2 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and +1.2 apg.
Boston Trade BreakdownOutgoingMark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutesPaul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutesIncomingCorliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutesKenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutesPeja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutesChange in team outlook: +11.2 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

Successful ScenarioDue to Sacramento and Boston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Boston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

I don't know. I kind of like the balance the team has right now. Good amount of inside and outside play. I don't think I would pass up on it though.

 

[kingsofnba]

KT and Corliss for PJ Brown and Casey Jacobson

another trade that may make sense for both teams is a Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson for PJ Brown and a resigned Casey Jacobson (at a reasonable price)...

the hornets need some younger players to replace PJ Brown and still need to fill a lot of holes... Thomas is only 28years old and can start at PF for the hornets and Corliss can possibly start at SF for the hornets...

PJ Brown gives the kings a big, tough defensive backup PF/C... he is still one of the toughest SOB's in the NBA... he is wasting away in New Orleans and the Hornets are rebuilding... PJ Brown has only two years left on his contract at $8mil per year, while KT still has 5years, $35mil left... saving the kings approx $20mil over KT's contract... we all know how much GP values 3pt shooting, so Jacobson would be a great backup at SF... he's a great long range shooter...

kings will be more defensive and balanced off the bench...

PF SAR/ PJ Brown
SF Peja/ Jacobson
C Miller/ Skinner / Sampson
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price

 

[sactown_draftpick]

dont kare really jus get rid of the 6'6 pf/sf. Williamson is too short 4 the west i rather see him be the first of the 3 players we aquire in the webber deal to b traded
kenny thomas is at least better than williamson and could b a spark off the bench cant say the same for williamson

 

[King4Life]

another trade that may make sense for both teams is a Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson for PJ Brown and a resigned Casey Jacobson (at a reasonable price)...

the hornets need some younger players to replace PJ Brown and still need to fill a lot of holes... Thomas is only 28years old and can start at PF for the hornets and Corliss can possibly start at SF for the hornets...

PJ Brown gives the kings a big, tough defensive backup PF/C... he is still one of the toughest SOB's in the NBA... he is wasting away in New Orleans and the Hornets are rebuilding... PJ Brown has only two years left on his contract at $8mil per year, while KT still has 5years, $35mil left... saving the kings approx $20mil over KT's contract... we all know how much GP values 3pt shooting, so Jacobson would be a great backup at SF... he's a great long range shooter...

kings will be more defensive and balanced off the bench...

PF SAR/ PJ Brown
SF Peja/ Jacobson
C Miller/ Skinner / Sampson
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price

I'm all for getting PJ Brown if we could get rid of KT's contract.

Imagine if the Kings could package either Peja or SAR along with KT and others for PJ Brown and Jamaal Magloire...

C-Jamaal Magloire
PF-Brad Miller/PJ Brown
SF-SAR or Peja
SG-Bonzi Wells/Martin/Garcia
PG-Bibby/Hart/Price

I know I'm dreaming ...but getting back to the point, as many have stated, the Kings don't have a true PF or C. Until the Kings get either a PF or C who brings offense in the post or rebounds and defends the paint well, the Kings will not go far in the playoffs. Getting SAR is a good move for offense and trade bait, but the C and PF positions are still weak in key areas of the game.