OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)
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I wouldn't trade Bibby OR Peja for Iverson, let alone both.
On talent alone, AI is worth Peja and Bibby, but I simply wouldn't want him.
Of all the "superstar" players in the league Iverson is perhaps the toughest player to build a team around. You need guys that are unselfish. You need gritty defensive players and you need a big point guards that can make up for Iverson's deficiencies on defense. You could run him at the point, as Obie did this season, but I don't like that setup.
Iverson's assist numbers are deceiving and as tough as he is there has to be the fear that he could completely breakdown from the pounding he takes. No thanks.
On talent alone, AI is worth Peja and Bibby, but I simply wouldn't want him.
Of all the "superstar" players in the league Iverson is perhaps the toughest player to build a team around. You need guys that are unselfish. You need gritty defensive players and you need a big point guards that can make up for Iverson's deficiencies on defense. You could run him at the point, as Obie did this season, but I don't like that setup.
Iverson's assist numbers are deceiving and as tough as he is there has to be the fear that he could completely breakdown from the pounding he takes. No thanks.
Smallest lineup, but not a soft one. MUCH toguher than our current lineup, even while giving up the inches.
That said, Iverson is the ultimate anti-Kings style player, always have been. And I think Funky is right on when he mentions that he's the hardest superstar in the league to build around. If it were not for the one Lary Brown year in '01, there would be no blueprint at all. As it is, he appears simply incompatible with anybody else who needs to touch the ball. Its A.I.'s ball, and he's taking it home with him. So you need A.I. and the 11 roleplayers and scrappers, and hope that he alone can score enough points for you to win. Highly doubt he'll ever win a title. Just a built in flaw in his game, HUGE flaw in his game. Its designed wiht no concept of team at all. he's the guy nobody wants to play with in pickup ball.
That said, Iverson is the ultimate anti-Kings style player, always have been. And I think Funky is right on when he mentions that he's the hardest superstar in the league to build around. If it were not for the one Lary Brown year in '01, there would be no blueprint at all. As it is, he appears simply incompatible with anybody else who needs to touch the ball. Its A.I.'s ball, and he's taking it home with him. So you need A.I. and the 11 roleplayers and scrappers, and hope that he alone can score enough points for you to win. Highly doubt he'll ever win a title. Just a built in flaw in his game, HUGE flaw in his game. Its designed wiht no concept of team at all. he's the guy nobody wants to play with in pickup ball.
I originally posted something similiar in a different thread and then was informed that an offer sheet was accepted that changed the circumstances. This involves several S&T and if it were to happen it could(?) even set a record with the number of S&T done by one team in one off-season. (translation: still not a snowballs chance in hell of happening)
I would do a S&T using Mobley (no longer including Peja) with the Clippers for Marko Jaric. (the Clippers could absorb the little bit of extra salary). The Kings would get the needed defensive minded large PG that they could use (can also slip over to SG if problems with the youngsters arise) The Clippers would get their ~top-notch SG they covet and appearantly their PG future lies with Livingston. Problem is the Clippers could sign Mobley outright, but this way it avoids a potential problem with Jaric and secondly Sterling by all accounts is still cheap.
I would secondly do a S&T with Portland, them exchanging a resigned Shareef Abdur-Rahim for Corliss with the Kings using some of the trade exemptions realGM reports that team has. Portland does this because they stand to lose Shareef for possibly nothing otherwise and Corliss is a solid citizen who accepts whatever role he is given on a team, plus he is a true profesional and in that something they are sorely lacking. His salary is also just for the coming season and the one after. The Kings do this because they need some size and offensively he fits their system to a tee, including the ability to play around the basket. His defeciancies on the defensive end are partially covered by the other moves that are being proposed here (not as well as in the other scenerio that I proposed that turned out to be outdated). He also has the ability to slide over to the SF position depending on match ups or injuries. Shareef is willing to do this to come to a winning situation (hopefully) and that the Kings would be able to pay the most in comparision to other winning teams.
The third S&T that I would do is with Milwaukee, them exchanging a resigned Dan Gadzuric (if necessary Zaza Pachulia) for Kenny Thomas. Milwaukee does this because with the drafting of Bogut and the max contract given to Redd and the max or near max given to Simmons, they would probably not be able to keep Gadzuric, Pachulia, Booth and Bogut as centers. By my account, it appears the are out of spending room with no exceptions left. I would take either of Milwaukee's FA centers they have, Gadzuric may now be more obtainable because Pachulia may cost less to keep. Milwaukee also only has Joe Smith for the PF slot and Thomas' near mid-level salary wouldn't be damning in the short term and now with Simmons signing that huge offer the long term contract may actually be an asset. The Kings would do it to get a young defensive minded back-up center signed up long term and to get out from Thomas' long term contract since it is questionable if he fits the teams needs. The size of Thomas wouldn't be as detrimental in the Eastern conferance.
This also assumes that the Kings sign Barnes to a minimum contract, and the resigning Mobley and Songalia to reasonable contracts.
If these were all done, the Kings lineup would be:
Mike Bibby PG
Marko Jaric PG/SG
Bobby Jackson PG/SG
Kevin Martin SG
Mo Evans SG
"Cisco" Garcia SG/SF
Peja Stojakovic SF
Matt Barnes SF
Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF
Darius Songalia PF
Brian Skinner PF/C
Brad Miller C/PF
Dan Gadzuric C (or Zaza Pachulia C if necessary)
Greg Ostertag C
This does not kill the Kings too bad (IMHO) salary wise especially with most of the players locked up long term (Peja would still have to be dealt with) and Ostertag and Jackson coming off the books in the amount of around 8 million the following year. It does allow a lot of options and variations of line-ups with improved defense in the PG, C and possibly the SG positions (depending on how the youngsters do).
I would do a S&T using Mobley (no longer including Peja) with the Clippers for Marko Jaric. (the Clippers could absorb the little bit of extra salary). The Kings would get the needed defensive minded large PG that they could use (can also slip over to SG if problems with the youngsters arise) The Clippers would get their ~top-notch SG they covet and appearantly their PG future lies with Livingston. Problem is the Clippers could sign Mobley outright, but this way it avoids a potential problem with Jaric and secondly Sterling by all accounts is still cheap.
I would secondly do a S&T with Portland, them exchanging a resigned Shareef Abdur-Rahim for Corliss with the Kings using some of the trade exemptions realGM reports that team has. Portland does this because they stand to lose Shareef for possibly nothing otherwise and Corliss is a solid citizen who accepts whatever role he is given on a team, plus he is a true profesional and in that something they are sorely lacking. His salary is also just for the coming season and the one after. The Kings do this because they need some size and offensively he fits their system to a tee, including the ability to play around the basket. His defeciancies on the defensive end are partially covered by the other moves that are being proposed here (not as well as in the other scenerio that I proposed that turned out to be outdated). He also has the ability to slide over to the SF position depending on match ups or injuries. Shareef is willing to do this to come to a winning situation (hopefully) and that the Kings would be able to pay the most in comparision to other winning teams.
The third S&T that I would do is with Milwaukee, them exchanging a resigned Dan Gadzuric (if necessary Zaza Pachulia) for Kenny Thomas. Milwaukee does this because with the drafting of Bogut and the max contract given to Redd and the max or near max given to Simmons, they would probably not be able to keep Gadzuric, Pachulia, Booth and Bogut as centers. By my account, it appears the are out of spending room with no exceptions left. I would take either of Milwaukee's FA centers they have, Gadzuric may now be more obtainable because Pachulia may cost less to keep. Milwaukee also only has Joe Smith for the PF slot and Thomas' near mid-level salary wouldn't be damning in the short term and now with Simmons signing that huge offer the long term contract may actually be an asset. The Kings would do it to get a young defensive minded back-up center signed up long term and to get out from Thomas' long term contract since it is questionable if he fits the teams needs. The size of Thomas wouldn't be as detrimental in the Eastern conferance.
This also assumes that the Kings sign Barnes to a minimum contract, and the resigning Mobley and Songalia to reasonable contracts.
If these were all done, the Kings lineup would be:
Mike Bibby PG
Marko Jaric PG/SG
Bobby Jackson PG/SG
Kevin Martin SG
Mo Evans SG
"Cisco" Garcia SG/SF
Peja Stojakovic SF
Matt Barnes SF
Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF
Darius Songalia PF
Brian Skinner PF/C
Brad Miller C/PF
Dan Gadzuric C (or Zaza Pachulia C if necessary)
Greg Ostertag C
This does not kill the Kings too bad (IMHO) salary wise especially with most of the players locked up long term (Peja would still have to be dealt with) and Ostertag and Jackson coming off the books in the amount of around 8 million the following year. It does allow a lot of options and variations of line-ups with improved defense in the PG, C and possibly the SG positions (depending on how the youngsters do).
In a different thread, there was an arguement against why Milwaukee would do a S&T exchanging a resigned Gadzuric for Thomas. The arguement was that both Pachulia and Gadzuric can play the 4, so they could backup Joe Smith. That was a valid rebuttal. To counter, you sweeten the pot and kill two birds with one stone.
Now you offer Peja and Thomas for Mason and a resigned Pachulia. The Kings do this for several reasons. One, they get out of Peja's coming max deal. Two, they get a good defender in Mason which would help cover the shortcomings defensively in Bibby and Shareef as starters. Third, the get a good back-up center which will become a issue the next year or two. Of Milwaukee's two RFA centers, Pachulia should be the more obtainable one. Peja would spread the floor with his shooting and his defense isn't too shabby. Last year the rebounding numbers between Desmond and Peja weren't that horribly different. Mason averaged I believe (could be wrong) around 4.5 rpg. It would be a step back defensivly for them but a large step up in 3-point shooting. Mason wasn't that good of a long range shot.
The line-up now looks like:
Mike Bibby PG
Marko Jaric PG/SG
Bobby Jackson PG/SG
Kevin Martin SG
Mo Evans SG
"Cisco" Garcia SG/SF
Desmond Mason SF
Matt Barnes SF
Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF
Darius Songalia PF
Brian Skinner PF/C
Brad Miller C
Zaza Pachulia C
Greg Ostertag C
Now you offer Peja and Thomas for Mason and a resigned Pachulia. The Kings do this for several reasons. One, they get out of Peja's coming max deal. Two, they get a good defender in Mason which would help cover the shortcomings defensively in Bibby and Shareef as starters. Third, the get a good back-up center which will become a issue the next year or two. Of Milwaukee's two RFA centers, Pachulia should be the more obtainable one. Peja would spread the floor with his shooting and his defense isn't too shabby. Last year the rebounding numbers between Desmond and Peja weren't that horribly different. Mason averaged I believe (could be wrong) around 4.5 rpg. It would be a step back defensivly for them but a large step up in 3-point shooting. Mason wasn't that good of a long range shot.
The line-up now looks like:
Mike Bibby PG
Marko Jaric PG/SG
Bobby Jackson PG/SG
Kevin Martin SG
Mo Evans SG
"Cisco" Garcia SG/SF
Desmond Mason SF
Matt Barnes SF
Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF
Darius Songalia PF
Brian Skinner PF/C
Brad Miller C
Zaza Pachulia C
Greg Ostertag C
Not sure I beleive in Pachulia enough to trade Peja to bring him back. Gadzuric, and maybe we are talking. We lose talent, but gain athleticism and defense. But Pachulia might be just anot her guy, and then you have trade Peja (as well as Thomas) for Desmond Mason, which isn't the sort of thing I'd be too hyped about. I would hope we could do better, although who knows.
I think you are right with the questions. Pachulia didn't seem to get a lot of minutes and that is one of the reasons I thought he might be more obtainable. Big risk too say the least. On the other hand, Peja for Mason is giving while getting. They get offensive, the Kings get defense and vice versa. As far as Thomas goes, there has been a lot of sentiment expressed of just getting rid of his contract. Gadzuric is more of a known commodity and your rebuttal in the official thread agent thread on getting him was pretty good. Thomas for a possible true big (along with the chance he is just another joe near 7-footer) in one that maybe I would chance.
Mason is playing out of position at SF as it is. This is the same sort of deal where people started thinking of Sprewell as a SF just because the Knicks played him out of position so he and Houston could both start. And since I think Reef is best suited for the three, you now have two guys playing out of position.
If the Kings got ahold of Abdur-Rahim, I'd just as soon that if Peja is dealt, it is for frontcourt help. Chandler and change (Deng? Nocioni?) would be more up my alley.
Of course, this discussion is pretty much moot now, as the Bucks are going to overpay to make Simmons their SF starter.
If the Kings got ahold of Abdur-Rahim, I'd just as soon that if Peja is dealt, it is for frontcourt help. Chandler and change (Deng? Nocioni?) would be more up my alley.
Of course, this discussion is pretty much moot now, as the Bucks are going to overpay to make Simmons their SF starter.
Heck, I'd even think hard about a Peja for Deng and Nocioni, without Chandler even in the mix. It works according to real gm! Of course, then you have to question whether you can get away with Nocioni at PF, and that's likely a no. Still, maybe he could recruite his countryman Oberto, and then we'd be set.
3 team deal
All sign and trades should be assumed.
Sacramento recieves NeNe Hilario
Denver recieves Kwame Brown and Cuttino Mobley
Washington recieves Voshon Leonard and Erik Daniels
we get what we want. Denver gets rid of leonards contract and get a shooting guard they want plus still keep a quality backup. Washington gets a veteran shooting guard to sure up their outside shooting and a decent backup pf.
Plus Any filler contracts to make the contracts meet.
All sign and trades should be assumed.
Sacramento recieves NeNe Hilario
Denver recieves Kwame Brown and Cuttino Mobley
Washington recieves Voshon Leonard and Erik Daniels
we get what we want. Denver gets rid of leonards contract and get a shooting guard they want plus still keep a quality backup. Washington gets a veteran shooting guard to sure up their outside shooting and a decent backup pf.
Plus Any filler contracts to make the contracts meet.
I don't think Denver is doing a three way to get Mobley. it really just comes down to how much dot hey value Nene vs. how much do they value Cat, with a dose of fiscal reality on thse side (the reality being that Nene is likely to be too expensive to keep as a third big man within a year or so). If they just wanted an extra big (or at least medium) body, they could get it from us in an expanded deal (Cat/Thomas for Nene/Lenard/Najera etc.).
But just any of this depends so much on the assessments of Nene. If Nene is a future star in our eyes, then we can add in more than Cat. If Nene is a future star in Denver's eyes, for them, then they probably say no to any deal for him. But hanging over all of it is that they are going to have a tough time keeping Nene, and the question of how much better of an offer are they going to get now or int he fuiture for him than a starting OG.
But just any of this depends so much on the assessments of Nene. If Nene is a future star in our eyes, then we can add in more than Cat. If Nene is a future star in Denver's eyes, for them, then they probably say no to any deal for him. But hanging over all of it is that they are going to have a tough time keeping Nene, and the question of how much better of an offer are they going to get now or int he fuiture for him than a starting OG.
I think it would be a great deal if GP could pull off a deal for Nene, I doubt that Mobley alone will satisfy Denver in order to get it done. My gut says that we will have to include one of our bigs(or so to speak), and/or a future pick. Either way I'd do it. I may be overestimating Nene though, he's never been great and we all know that potential doesn't always translate the way we would like it to.
Like Brick said it may come down to finances.
Camby and Martin make a combined 19 million, hard to believe they can afford to pay Nene market wages. Also, they make extend Anthony next year.
So, even if he doesn't come to the Kings I wouldn't be shocked to see him dealt.
Maybe, a Mobley/Thomas for Camby/Najera? Najera only has 2 years left on his deal and at least provides some toughness. Camby is injury prone but can block shots and rebound. Maybe Nene plays center and we can take a flyer on Camby.
Just throwing things out there!
Camby and Martin make a combined 19 million, hard to believe they can afford to pay Nene market wages. Also, they make extend Anthony next year.
So, even if he doesn't come to the Kings I wouldn't be shocked to see him dealt.
Maybe, a Mobley/Thomas for Camby/Najera? Najera only has 2 years left on his deal and at least provides some toughness. Camby is injury prone but can block shots and rebound. Maybe Nene plays center and we can take a flyer on Camby.
Just throwing things out there!
Some wild ramblings:
Peja, Skinner, Jackson, & a first-round pick for Elton Brand.
K. Thomas & Williamson for Tim Thomas.
Sign Barnes (FA) for minimum.
Retain Evans and House if reasonably priced.
Use up to the MLE to sign Eddie Griffin, whose stock has plummeted, but he gets out of jail on July 20. (FA)
Kings Lineup:
PG: Bibby, House
SG: Evans, Martin, Garcia
SF: T. Thomas, Barnes
PF: Brand, Griffin
C: Miller, Ostertag
Got to love the defense from Brand, Griffin, & Ostertag. Always a shotblocker on the floor. Take a chance on Griffin getting his head together, he could still be something special. Thomas replaces Peja's long-range bombing and has a huge expiring contract. Not only are we competitive this season, but...
We've cleared out the contracts of Skinner, Williamson and Kenny. Tim's $14M comes off the books. Projected 2006/2007 salaries are roughly $48M, that includes Bibby, Miller, Brand, Barnes, Martin, Garcia, Evans, House, Griffin. That will be close to the salary cap, probably a little over, with the only glaring need at SF. One of the young SGs may have matured to the point they could be traded for something valuable by that time.
But in any case, a core of Bibby, Brand, and Miller is something I'd like to keep together for a long time.
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P.S. This scenario also assumes we aren't able to swing a sign-and-trade with Mobley for anything.
Peja, Skinner, Jackson, & a first-round pick for Elton Brand.
K. Thomas & Williamson for Tim Thomas.
Sign Barnes (FA) for minimum.
Retain Evans and House if reasonably priced.
Use up to the MLE to sign Eddie Griffin, whose stock has plummeted, but he gets out of jail on July 20. (FA)
Kings Lineup:
PG: Bibby, House
SG: Evans, Martin, Garcia
SF: T. Thomas, Barnes
PF: Brand, Griffin
C: Miller, Ostertag
Got to love the defense from Brand, Griffin, & Ostertag. Always a shotblocker on the floor. Take a chance on Griffin getting his head together, he could still be something special. Thomas replaces Peja's long-range bombing and has a huge expiring contract. Not only are we competitive this season, but...
We've cleared out the contracts of Skinner, Williamson and Kenny. Tim's $14M comes off the books. Projected 2006/2007 salaries are roughly $48M, that includes Bibby, Miller, Brand, Barnes, Martin, Garcia, Evans, House, Griffin. That will be close to the salary cap, probably a little over, with the only glaring need at SF. One of the young SGs may have matured to the point they could be traded for something valuable by that time.
But in any case, a core of Bibby, Brand, and Miller is something I'd like to keep together for a long time.
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P.S. This scenario also assumes we aren't able to swing a sign-and-trade with Mobley for anything.
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Super complicated three way trade to try and sorta make the Nene thing happen. The salaries basically match up.
Teams involved are the Kings, Nuggets and Rockets.
Kings send Bobby Jackson and a signed Cuttino Mobley (starting salary $6.5 m per) to the Nuggets and Brian Skinner to the Rockets. Nuggets send Nene to the Kings and Earl Boykins, Voshon Lenard and Eduardo Najera to the Rockets. Rockets send Mike James and Clarence Weatherspoon to the Kings and Bob Sura to the Nuggets.
Kings pick up:
Nene
Mike James
Clarence Weatherspoon
Kings lose:
Bobby Jackson
Cuttino Mobley
Brian Skinner
Nuggets pick up:
Cuttino Mobley
Bobby Jackson
Bob Sura
Nuggets lose:
Nene
Eduardo Najera
Earl Boykins
Voshon Lenard
Rockets lose:
Mike James
Bob Sura
Clarence Weatherspoon
Rockets pick up:
Earl Boykins
Brian Skinner
Eduardo Najera
Voshon Lenard
Why the Kings do the deal: you get Nene. You lose Bobby Jackson, which sucks, but you get Bobby Jackson-lite in Mike James, a shooter and defender off the bench. You lose Brian Skinner, who is expendable with Nene coming on board. Once Clarence Weatherspoon comes off the books you use that money to sign Nene to a long term contract.
Why the Nuggets do the deal: you get your shooting guard in Cuttino Mobley and an instant offense 6th man in Bobby Jackson. You also gain Bob Sura for depth.
Why the Rockets do the deal: you get some badly needed interior toughness in Brian Skinner and Eduardo Najera and a true point guard in Earl Boykins.
Updated depth Charts:
Kings:
Bibby, Mike James
Kevin Martin, Evans, Garcia
Peja, Corliss
Nene, Kenny Thomas, Weatherspoon
Miller, Ostertag
Nuggets:
Miller, Bobby Jackson
Mobley, Bob Sura
Carmelo Anthony,
Kenyon Martin
Marcus Camby
Rockets:
Earl Boykins, David Wesley
Jon Barry, Voshon Lenard
Tracy McGrady, Najera
Swift (if they sign him), Juwan Howard
Yao, Skinner
Thoughts?
Teams involved are the Kings, Nuggets and Rockets.
Kings send Bobby Jackson and a signed Cuttino Mobley (starting salary $6.5 m per) to the Nuggets and Brian Skinner to the Rockets. Nuggets send Nene to the Kings and Earl Boykins, Voshon Lenard and Eduardo Najera to the Rockets. Rockets send Mike James and Clarence Weatherspoon to the Kings and Bob Sura to the Nuggets.
Kings pick up:
Nene
Mike James
Clarence Weatherspoon
Kings lose:
Bobby Jackson
Cuttino Mobley
Brian Skinner
Nuggets pick up:
Cuttino Mobley
Bobby Jackson
Bob Sura
Nuggets lose:
Nene
Eduardo Najera
Earl Boykins
Voshon Lenard
Rockets lose:
Mike James
Bob Sura
Clarence Weatherspoon
Rockets pick up:
Earl Boykins
Brian Skinner
Eduardo Najera
Voshon Lenard
Why the Kings do the deal: you get Nene. You lose Bobby Jackson, which sucks, but you get Bobby Jackson-lite in Mike James, a shooter and defender off the bench. You lose Brian Skinner, who is expendable with Nene coming on board. Once Clarence Weatherspoon comes off the books you use that money to sign Nene to a long term contract.
Why the Nuggets do the deal: you get your shooting guard in Cuttino Mobley and an instant offense 6th man in Bobby Jackson. You also gain Bob Sura for depth.
Why the Rockets do the deal: you get some badly needed interior toughness in Brian Skinner and Eduardo Najera and a true point guard in Earl Boykins.
Updated depth Charts:
Kings:
Bibby, Mike James
Kevin Martin, Evans, Garcia
Peja, Corliss
Nene, Kenny Thomas, Weatherspoon
Miller, Ostertag
Nuggets:
Miller, Bobby Jackson
Mobley, Bob Sura
Carmelo Anthony,
Kenyon Martin
Marcus Camby
Rockets:
Earl Boykins, David Wesley
Jon Barry, Voshon Lenard
Tracy McGrady, Najera
Swift (if they sign him), Juwan Howard
Yao, Skinner
Thoughts?
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I don't think the Rockets want to part with Mike James. I wouldn't. And losing James and Sura leaves them with a gaping PG hole that Boykins just doesn't fill.
But hey, it gets us Nene so I'm cool with it.
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I don't think the Rockets want to part with Mike James. I wouldn't. And losing James and Sura leaves them with a gaping PG hole that Boykins just doesn't fill.
But hey, it gets us Nene so I'm cool with it.
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Kings pick up:
Nene
Mike James
Clarence Weatherspoon
Kings lose:
Bobby Jackson
Cuttino Mobley
Brian Skinner
Nuggets pick up:
Cuttino Mobley
Bobby Jackson
Bob Sura
Nuggets lose:
Nene
Andre Miller
Rockets lose:
Mike James
Bob Sura
Clarence Weatherspoon
Rockets pick up:
Andre Miller
Brian Skinner
Depth charts:
Kings:
Bibby, Mike James
Kevin Martin, Evans, Garcia
Peja, Corliss
Nene, Kenny Thomas, Weatherspoon
Miller, Ostertag
Nuggets:
Bobby Jackson, Earl Boykins
Mobley, Bob Sura
Carmelo Anthony,
Kenyon Martin
Marcus Camby
Rockets:
Andre Miller, David Wesley
Jon Barry
Tracy McGrady
Swift (if they sign him), Juwan Howard
Yao, Skinner
Hmmm.... Now I'm not sure if the Nuggets would do this deal. But it still gets us Nene! And Mike James.
I think what happens with Nene depends on what Denver wants to do with Camby. He's been good for them but he's not getting any younger, and has been injury prone. Camby is 31 and has four or five years left on his contract. Nene is still only 23. Would you give up a player knowing you might need him in the not too distant future?
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