[Game] Nuggets at Kings, 12-16

[1234kings]

tyreke probably checked out early knowing this blowout which includes a denver nuggets dunking contest as well.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Tyrekes knee thing is very strange

 

[Bricklayer]

I wonder if this game will skew those stats that Bricklayer put together trying to convince us that the starting 5 is good.

Oddly 10 minutes of action, with apparently a hobbled Reke, isn't going to do that no. Was the worst first quarter they've had. Also the only minutes they had in the game. The majority of this blowout is elsewhere.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

More of a scorer or defender?

I always figured him for more of a scorer, but I don't really know anything about his D.

 

[spudfan]

I don't know what to make of TRob, you expect a lot more from a #5 pick. I have no doubt we are not using him properly, but I would still expect to see more out of someone who most had predicted as the consensus #2.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I don't know what to make of TRob, you expect a lot more from a #5 pick. I have no doubt we are not using him properly, but I would still expect to see more out of someone who most had predicted as the consensus #2.

You probably have to give TRob a bit of a break. He's used to playing against college competition and being coached by real coaches.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

its funny that the Kings garbage time lineup is also a lineup that Smart often uses in the 2nd and 4th quarter of close games.................

 

[Bricklayer]

He's used to playing against college competition

This is the concern. Its really beyond a concern. Its not even like he's showing flashes or look at that talent sort of stuff. The only thing I can say about him if you asked me what can he build on is...good athlete. Which is a good, but hell, that's how you describe a project, not a supposedly polished #5 pick.

 

[spudfan]

You probably have to give TRob a bit of a break. He's used to playing against college competition and being coached by real coaches.

Yea, I am not passing judgement on him yet. He rarely looks more than just another body out there, though. Had a few nice streaks with some good come from behind blocks but besides that just a medium sized person on the court.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

is anything entertaining going to happen this season?

 

[HereWeBoogie]

that improved Kings defense sure does look great lately. i cant remember the last time the other team didnt score over 100

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Mozgov is a garbage time big for Denver. He'd be our 3rd big.

I'd like to see us make a little push for Calderon. He's been on the block for a while, and is a very good game manager / ball mover.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

This is the concern. Its really beyond a concern. Its not even like he's showing flashes or look at that talent sort of stuff. The only thing I can say about him if you asked me what can he build on is...good athlete. Which is a good, but hell, that's how you describe a project, not a supposedly polished #5 pick.

ya, and we could have had Lillard...............

 

[1234kings]

could have really used some of those threes earlier in the game.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Thanks Jimmer for making the Final score not look as bad as the game was..........

 

[1234kings]

wow.... shooting at 34% ...

 

[Henkel]

It's depressing to watch a really well coached team just beat our brains out. Not that Denver doesn't have superior talent, but even their scrubs now how to execute the offense. On the other hand were still a team without any kind of identity.

 

[1234kings]

Thanks Jimmer for making the Final score not look as bad as the game was..........

I feel bad for him, he should be traded and let other teams take advantage of his shooting abilities.

 

[spudfan]

This is the concern. Its really beyond a concern. Its not even like he's showing flashes or look at that talent sort of stuff. The only thing I can say about him if you asked me what can he build on is...good athlete. Which is a good, but hell, that's how you describe a project, not a supposedly polished #5 pick.

It also further highlights concerns we have about management. If we wanted to draft someone who was only going to get rebounds and play a little bit of defense with little to no regard for the offensive end Drummond made a LOT more sense. Better athlete, better size and more potential as a defensive stopper. TRob isn't being featured in any offensive sets so it is easy to consider the pick a waste from what we could have had in trades/projects.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

This is the concern.

To be honest, the second part of the sentence was the dig I was trying to get in.

 

[Bricklayer]

It also further highlights concerns we have about management. If we wanted to draft someone who was only going to get rebounds and play a little bit of defense with little to no regard for the offensive end Drummond made a LOT more sense. Better athlete, better size and more potential as a defensive stopper. TRob isn't being featured in any offensive sets so it is easy to consider the pick a waste from what we could have had in trades/projects.

What offensive sets to feature him in though? Can't post big guys. The jumper is highly erratic right now (I still think somehow developing a consistent midrange jumepr could be his key into dependability). His one thing is trying to drive from far outside, but half the time once he hits the big guys inside he turns it over or throws us something wild. There's just nothing much to run a play for, and the size is determing so much. If I was actually going to run a play for him I think I might actually treat him like a SF or SG actually. Try to set a back pick and have him fly to the rim off the ball for an alley oop. But you only get so many of those a game.

 

[mac]

What offensive sets to feature him in though? Can't post big guys. The jumper is highly erratic right now (I still think somehow developing a consistent midrange jumepr could be his key into dependability). His one thing is trying to drive from far outside, but half the time once he hits the big guys inside he turns it over or throws us something wild. There's just nothing much to run a play for, and the size is determing so much. If I was actually going to run a play for him I think I might actually treat him like a SF or SG actually. Try to set a back pick and have him fly to the rim off the ball for an alley oop. But you only get so many of those a game.

My biggest issue is that he doesn't box out. If you're an undersized rebounder you simply have to box your man out or you're going to be damn near useless in this league. Maybe it was because the game was already over, but Anthony Randolph went right around him for a ton of offensive boards and putbacks.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i like t-rob. but i definitly dont think he was a good choice for us

 

[spudfan]

What offensive sets to feature him in though? Can't post big guys. The jumper is highly erratic right now (I still think somehow developing a consistent midrange jumepr could be his key into dependability). His one thing is trying to drive from far outside, but half the time once he hits the big guys inside he turns it over or throws us something wild. There's just nothing much to run a play for, and the size is determing so much. If I was actually going to run a play for him I think I might actually treat him like a SF or SG actually. Try to set a back pick and have him fly to the rim off the ball for an alley oop. But you only get so many of those a game.

Those are the things that I was thinking off. Having him cutting and running off of screens. That is all I think he really should be doing now, getting feeds from Cousins and Tyreke when they draw the attention. I think all of this might be above Smart's pay grade however, which is why we haven't seen much of it. When I said featured it was the wrong word. As Cousins/Reke will be the two featured and when they draw the attention he could be option 2a/b in the form of the cutter. He cuts and waits for the drop off while one of the other guys is camping out at the three point line. He has the potential to be the guy we drop the ball off to and goes in for the easy score. As it is now the spacing is usually horrendous which eliminates any chance for him to be that guy. With the amount of attention Cousins and Tyreke draw near the basket there should be more than just a few times per game he can come flying in to finish it when they draw the double.

Typing this though I realize how silly it is as TRob normally only plays with the bench which doesn't draw the attention needed for him to play the role above. I would love to see him matched up with JT or Cousins and being the first guy they kick it too when defenses rotate. The swapping of entire lineups really screws up offensive flow in my mind. Having Trob, Hayes, Johnson, Thomas and Thornton out there at the same time is just setting them up for failure.

 

[The_Jamal]

I don't know what to make of TRob, you expect a lot more from a #5 pick. I have no doubt we are not using him properly, but I would still expect to see more out of someone who most had predicted as the consensus #2.

Bigs need time to develop people. We're 20 games into his career on an incredibly inconsistent team, coach, and he's only getting 15 minutes a game to play. Yea, Lilard and Davis and a few other rooks are playing well, but they also are getting tremendous playing time and are feature players on their teams. One of my biggest beefs with Smart is the dude is absolutely destroying the development of Jimmer, IT, Trob, and all our young guys with his inability to nail down a rotation

 

[sdballer]

Bigs need time to develop people. We're 20 games into his career on an incredibly inconsistent team, coach, and he's only getting 15 minutes a game to play. Yea, Lilard and Davis and a few other rooks are playing well, but they also are getting tremendous playing time and are feature players on their teams. One of my biggest beefs with Smart is the dude is absolutely destroying the development of Jimmer, IT, Trob, and all our young guys with his inability to nail down a rotation

I agree to an extent but he's older than your usual project big and I'm concerned what exactly he is showing the ability to develop in to. But yes Smart is killing our youngs development.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

speaking of this subject, it doesnt sound like T-Rob is too fond of Smart

Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones
T-Rob on if the was told why he dind't play in 1st half: "I don’t know. I don’t ask him for anything really anyways."

 

[King Baller]

This is the concern. Its really beyond a concern. Its not even like he's showing flashes or look at that talent sort of stuff. The only thing I can say about him if you asked me what can he build on is...good athlete. Which is a good, but hell, that's how you describe a project, not a supposedly polished #5 pick.

Lets call him Gerald Wallace II.

KB

 

[ParniValjak]

What offensive sets to feature him in though? Can't post big guys. The jumper is highly erratic right now (I still think somehow developing a consistent midrange jumepr could be his key into dependability). His one thing is trying to drive from far outside, but half the time once he hits the big guys inside he turns it over or throws us something wild. There's just nothing much to run a play for, and the size is determing so much. If I was actually going to run a play for him I think I might actually treat him like a SF or SG actually. Try to set a back pick and have him fly to the rim off the ball for an alley oop. But you only get so many of those a game.

I never liked the pick and was keen for us to trade it for Lowry BUT now that we have this guy on the roster its time to lock him in the gym with a shooting coach and get him to develop a spot up 3pt shot. He would have more chance to succeed in this league as a athletic SF that can stretch the defence and be a defensive role player at SF than he will as a PF.

He just gets overpowered in there, has poor technique and is just not very good. It's almost mission impossible to turn him into a SF but from all the reports he is a worker so if he can develop that spot up 3 and focus on defensive side of the ball he just might become a useful player. Granted he still would not be your typical pick 5 talent but at least he could become a valuable piece on a good team.

If James Johnson can turn himself into a SF (albeit one that can't shoot) there is no reason why T-Rob can't. Its just about his only saving grace in this league and it just happens to be the sort of player we are in desperate need of.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I never liked the pick and was keen for us to trade it for Lowry BUT now that we have this guy on the roster its time to lock him in the gym with a shooting coach and get him to develop a spot up 3pt shot. He would have more chance to succeed in this league as a athletic SF that can stretch the defence and be a defensive role player at SF than he will as a PF.

agree on the Lowry part, and the comment that he could be more successful as a small forward, IF he could get a consistent outside shot. he's got decent shooting mechanics, i think he could be able to get a pretty good 3 point shot if he focused on it.