Now that we have SAR, should we have traded Bobby?

[kingkung]

Not to put a damper on the excitement brewing over Mr. Abdur-Rahim, but I've been quietly wondering... had we known that Shareef was available to bolster our starting lineup, would Petrie have traded away Bobby Jackson for a starting SG?

Unfortunately, my gut instinct tells me "no." I feel that Petrie traded Bobby because our starting lineup was too weak, with gaping holes in the SG and PF spots. But now that Abdur-Rahim is our power forward, adding to our scoring versatility, I feel that we could have plugged in Martin as a 5th wheel, and kept Bobby as an incredibly valuable substitute. Not like Bonzi and Shareef do the same things, but I feel that, with Shareef, our starting lineup would be superb no matter what, and having Bobby off the bench would have been more beneficial. This is just a gut reaction, and may change momentarily.

 

[tyrant]

bobby's time was up. now that we have martin developing along with bonzi, garcia, peja, kenny, and now rahim we have so many guys that are versatile and can fill in spaces.

 

[Bricklayer]

Bonzi Wells was the better of the two moves -- he is now our only starter who is a good rebounder and defender for his position.


Bobby was getting old. Bonzi of course can make anyone, anytime, look like an *** for acquiring him. But regardless of the SAR move, getting Bonzi was a step in the right direction assuming he keeps his wits about him.

 

[Kings113]

With Bonzi out there, and Mo the previous option to sign for SG, yes we would of got Bonzi regardless. I certainly wouldn't of minded if Mo did get that spot though.

Bobby as awesome as he is, became un-reliable and too much of a risk, sadly.

 

[Kings2805]

The way I look at it is that we traded Bobby J for Bonzi Wells, and replaced Ostertag with Shareef. On top of that we received Hart for only a 2nd round pick, and Sampson who shows potential in his limited PT. Geoff Petrie is genius, and if the Kings do really well this year, which I believe we will, look for Petrie to gather his 3rd Executive of the Year Award. We are movin on up, and Phoenix will not be as good without Q and JJ. That is over 400 of their NBA record 700+ 3's they had. They will not be as potent, and the Kings have already passed them up.

 

[Bricklayer]

The way I look at it is that we traded Bobby J for Bonzi Wells, and replaced Ostertag with Shareef. On top of that we received Hart for only a 2nd round pick, and Sampson who shows potential in his limited PT. Geoff Petrie is genius, and if the Kings do really well this year, which I believe we will, look for Petrie to gather his 3rd Executive of the Year Award. We are movin on up, and Phoenix will not be as good without Q and JJ. That is over 400 of their NBA record 700+ 3's they had. They will not be as potent, and the Kings have already passed them up.

This is the closer to the score so far:

Bobby --> Hart
Tag --> Sampson
Mobley --> Bonzi
Evans --> Garcia
House --> Price
---------> SAR

 

[kingkung]

Who's Price?

Mark? Brent? Peerless?

This is the closer to the score so far:

Bobby --> Hart
Tag --> Sampson
Mobley --> Bonzi
Evans --> Garcia
House --> Price
---------> SAR

 

[Mad D]

Who's Price?

Mark? Brent? Peerless?

http://www.hoopshype.com/players/ronnie_price.htm?nav=page

Ronnie

 

[Kings2805]

Umm right...If I wanted I could of easily of matched what guy we lost at what position, and replaced him with the new guy. Bobby got us Bonzi, Shareef we got with MLE, and 2nd round pick got us Hart. I figured people we would see what I was trying to get at, but I guess not.

 

[Bricklayer]

Umm right...If I wanted I could of easily of matched what guy we lost at what position, and replaced him with the new guy. Bobby got us Bonzi, Shareef we got with MLE, and 2nd round pick got us Hart. I figured people we would see what I was trying to get at, but I guess not.

Perhaps it would have been clearer if you hadn't said that we replaced Tag with Reef immediately after saying we traded Bobby for Bonzi straight up.

 

[kingkung]

Umm right...If I wanted I could of easily of matched what guy we lost at what position, and replaced him with the new guy. Bobby got us Bonzi, Shareef we got with MLE, and 2nd round pick got us Hart. I figured people we would see what I was trying to get at, but I guess not.

Brick was just matching the improvements by position, instead of the actual trades. Both make sense.

I hope y'all are right about Bonzi, but I saw Bobby play at the Capital Christian Center (with the Beijing team), and let me tell you, even though it was an exhibition, he looks to be in tip-top shape and healthy as ever. He played 48 minutes (the entire game) and scored 46 points. I think having Bibby, Peja, Abdur-Rahim, and Miller starting, with Bobby providing the second wind would have been pretty awesome.

 

[captain bill]

Bonzi Wells was the better of the two moves -- he is now our only starter who is a good rebounder and defender for his position.


Bobby was getting old. Bonzi of course can make anyone, anytime, look like an *** for acquiring him. But regardless of the SAR move, getting Bonzi was a step in the right direction assuming he keeps his wits about him.

Definitely agree. I also don't see how SAR is related to the Bonzi and Bobby trade- all three players play different positions and do different things for us. I don't see the logic here.

 

[jacobdrj]

Geoff Petrie is genius, and if the Kings do really well this year, which I believe we will, look for Petrie to gather his 3rd Executive of the Year Award.

Actualy, this just makes him look lucky, not smart. But, there is a saying; I would rather be lucky than good any day!

 

[Kings2805]

Excluding Mobley via FA with Clippers, we have lost 2 players this year Bobby J and Ostertag, is this correct? The 2 major players we got are Bonzi and SAR. I wasn't connecting the trades what so ever, I was saying you could pretty much say we replaced Ostertag with Shareef, and Bobby with Bonzi. That was the point I was trying to make.

 

[Bricklayer]

This is the closer to the score so far:

Bobby --> Hart
Tag --> Sampson
Mobley --> Bonzi
Evans --> Garcia
House --> Price
---------> SAR

Actually, I should probably edit this as it seems very likely now that:
Bobby --> Hart
Tag --> Sampson
Mobley --> Bonzi
Evans --> Garcia
House --> Price
Songalia --> SAR

 

[funkykingston]

The bottom line with Bobby was that he wasn't coming back after this season. Given his age and injury history, I can't see the Kings ponying up to re-sign him. This was a move to get value for BJax before he either (1) left as a FA or (2) physically broke down again.

If Wells has a great season, there is a bit less worry about re-signing him since he's four years younger and significantly more durable.

 

[FrenchCanadianKING]

No, trading Bobby for Bonzi was a great move because:

A) Bobby is 32, sadly enough he's entering Doug Christie territory. His skills are only going to go downhill from here.

B) When's the last time he's been healthy for us again? Sure he's a great backup, starter material, sparkplug off the bench, always plays his heart out and all but bottom line is that he can't help us win some games if he's not suiting up. WHich has been something Bobby has shown us that he has a hard time doing in the past 3 seasons

Age+Injury is a deadly combination. Petrie made the right trade

 

[Kings113]

Excluding Mobley via FA with Clippers, we have lost 2 players this year Bobby J and Ostertag, is this correct? The 2 major players we got are Bonzi and SAR. I wasn't connecting the trades what so ever, I was saying you could pretty much say we replaced Ostertag with Shareef, and Bobby with Bonzi. That was the point I was trying to make.

Since getting Hart, it's been shown House won't be back. Daniels I doubt will be back, though he's improved himself overall, so who knows. Evans is still a question mark, and Songaila as well.

 

[funkykingston]

Since getting Hart, it's been shown House won't be back.

It's a little hard to imagine that House would return. Especially since Charlotte considered House expendable because of how much they liked Hart.

 

[Kev.in]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand what the Abdur-Rahim trade has to do with the decision on Bobby Jackson. I've seen it mentioned a few other times, in a few other places as well and I've thought about but haven't "gotten it".

As far back as Feburary/March, the writing was on the wall. Bobby's been a goner for a while, it was just a matter of time before a deal came up that let us get something useful for him. We could've traded for or signed whoever was out there. Shareef, KG, Antoine Walker, whoever. Bobby was being shopped, regardless.

 

[Gary]

Well, as it stands our bench is KT, Williamson, Skinner, Hart, Martin, Sampson, Garcia, and Price..

NOT BAD!

 

[tyrant]

Well, as it stands our bench is KT, Williamson, Skinner, Hart, Martin, Sampson, Garcia, and Price..

NOT BAD!

not bad at all; just bring back the black jerseys and we'll be ready to go.

 

[whozit]

Sampson is a huge question mark. And other than him, the Kings have 6-9 Skinner backing up the Center position. Other than that, great! The other positions are covered.

 

[bye_bye_bjax24]

Clearly, the next move is to find a new home for Kenny K9 Thomas. SAR is going to play 35 minutes, Peja will play 40 minutes....nothing but scraps left over for a guy making 6.1 million and scheduled to be paid over 35 million. It would not surprise me if his agent is on the phone with GP Monday morning requesting a trade.

The fact is K9 could be a valuable contributor off the bench in spot duty, but not the kind of contribution we need. Remember the "Bench Mob" a few years back.....with Pollard and Keon Clark and Jon Barry and B-Jax....that team provided defensive spark when the first unit was lethargic....or just trading baskets with the opponent.

We have the makings of a solid defensive second unit w/ Hart and Cisco in the backcourt (good length and quickness and help down defense against the post)...Skinner as someone who will clog the middle a little bit....Sampson could potentially add something --- a shot block and some boards and follow jams.

But I can envision K9 getting lost in the mix. Although in his time with us so far, he did show himself to be somewhat of an opportunistic player out there....but was totally nonexistent in the playoffs, and given his salary, iffy attitude, and defensive shortcomings, highly expendable.

Ideally GP will swing something before season so the new guys have a training camp together to get acquainted....but it may be the right deal to get us the 4/5 power player we need may not present itself until the season gets underway....and teams that disappoint are willing to maneuver and take a chance on a 6'7" PF with a bloated contract.

 

[sActOwnGal]

As much as I love Bobby as a player and a person, his career was on the decline. I mean with Bonzi and now Shareef with the kings, the bench is a lot deeper if things stay put. Kenny Thomas, Corliss, and Skinner could normally be starters in a lot of NBA teams but we have them coming off the bench. We also have two young talent Coming off the bench in Kevin and Francisco which will most likely give us the boost of energy that Bobby gave us. If you look at the roster now compared to the end of the season, our bench and starting 5 are some of the best in the league. We can't say the same about it when it was the end of the season.

 

[Kings113]

Clearly, the next move is to find a new home for Kenny K9 Thomas. SAR is going to play 35 minutes, Peja will play 40 minutes....nothing but scraps left over for a guy making 6.1 million and scheduled to be paid over 35 million. It would not surprise me if his agent is on the phone with GP Monday morning requesting a trade.

The fact is K9 could be a valuable contributor off the bench in spot duty, but not the kind of contribution we need. Remember the "Bench Mob" a few years back.....with Pollard and Keon Clark and Jon Barry and B-Jax....that team provided defensive spark when the first unit was lethargic....or just trading baskets with the opponent.

We have the makings of a solid defensive second unit w/ Hart and Cisco in the backcourt (good length and quickness and help down defense against the post)...Skinner as someone who will clog the middle a little bit....Sampson could potentially add something --- a shot block and some boards and follow jams.

But I can envision K9 getting lost in the mix. Although in his time with us so far, he did show himself to be somewhat of an opportunistic player out there....but was totally nonexistent in the playoffs, and given his salary, iffy attitude, and defensive shortcomings, highly expendable.

Ideally GP will swing something before season so the new guys have a training camp together to get acquainted....but it may be the right deal to get us the 4/5 power player we need may not present itself until the season gets underway....and teams that disappoint are willing to maneuver and take a chance on a 6'7" PF with a bloated contract.

I agree, I ultimately see KT gone with his situation now. I don't know about the "okay with being in active rotation" comment though.

 

[SacTownKid]

I agree, I ultimately see KT gone with his situation now. I don't know about the "okay with being in active rotation" comment though.

Well, I agreed with Kenny's statement that he should have started over Darius, but realistically he ain't winning any time over Reef. I hope we wants to stay b/c he would be one awesome player off the bench.

 

[bibbyweb]

I think that aleast someone from the Webber trade will be traded. Also it would be pretty nice if we can get Mutombo

 

[D-Mass]

I think that aleast someone from the Webber trade will be traded. Also it would be pretty nice if we can get Mutombo

Mutombo has verbally agreed to re-sign with the Rockets

 

[Kings10Bibby]

isn't mutumbo on the decline?