Noc rips the Kings... (NEW! Poll added!!)

How do you feel about what Nocioni said?


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The Sacramento Kings identified Andres Nocioni as a player they wanted at the trade deadline. The Kings had other offers for Brad Miller and John Salmons, some that would have offered interesting pieces, but management wanted Nocioni. They liked his toughness, his style of play and viewed his addition as a means to change the culture and style of play in Sacramento. Nocioni does not seem to feel the same way. "If I can get something better, I will make the decision." Nocioni said toSpanish language publication Oléas translated byour friends at HoopsHype. "If Sacramento can improve, staying is no big deal. The thing is, here they are more focused on not losing money than on the team that's coming."

"(Sacramento) is the worst team and being here you find out why... There are many young guys that want to find their niche, but they are so far away... There's no chemistry or teamwork. I can't see how this team could be competitive in the near future in the West... The draft is going to save no one. I don't know, I'll see what happens this summer."

"Last year I lost all hope they would pass the ball to me (laughs). I just waited on the corner watching what happened. If the ball came, it came... It rarely did (laughs). It's the same thing in Sacramento. There's a lot of young people and a lot of individualistic play."

The Kings are poised to land the top overall pick in June 25th's NBA Draft. The Kings are also looking at roughly $14 million in possible cap space, and the prospect of hiring a new head coach. Nocioni is under contract through 2012, and has $28.5 million remaining on his deal. Anyone want to take odds on how long he stays in Sacramento now?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12044

Can't say that he's wrong about his observations, but I don't know if he's making the right move in going to the media at the moment. Maybe he really does want out and is just acting like he hasn't made up his mind.
 
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can't disagree one bit... Noc is a good team player. Alot of the euro guys are used to having to rely on everyone else and that a win is better than a good stat line...

that being said he points out that part of his beef is just with the american style of basketball, and he was frustrated in chi. It wasn't that long ago that the Kings were about the free flowing euro like game and with Petrie at the Helm im sure the next coach is HIS PICK(maloofs are done) and you'll see us getting back to that style of play. Coachie is there prepping the kids for that as we speak. PETRIE WILL BRING BACK THE GLORY DAYS OFFENSE! (he builds the team around it)

I'd be upset too being on this team right now. All these guys have some form of pride and losing hurts on all levels. Plus when half your team is going to be outa town after the season its tough to see light at the end of the tunnel.

The coaching is the key to this... We need to get that on lock down this offseason. Petrie's showing that he's begun the rebuild, so better talent is on the way. But the coaching is the key
 
Its true the Maloofs money is tight....but i would say atleast 60% of the nba is.

I have always loved Nocioni's game. he will be fine. no one likes losing.
 
He's in a ****ty situation, and it sounds like frustration overfilling his tank. He was a big part in the playoff push in Chicago, and all of a sudden he was phased out. He was no longer hard nosed defensive specialist with a solid 3 point shot, and he was buried on the bench. Then he gets traded to, lets face it, the worst team in the leauge, and of course he is not going to be happy. He is a winner in his career, and he just voiced his opinion. Should have kept his mouth shut, since people don't like hearing the truth, and this really does nobody any good.
 
I like the way he speaks his mind. He's like Bobby Jackson the way he tells it like it is. We are not going to change the losing culture around here if players are timid to call each other out.

There is a right way and wrong way to go about it, but I would say Noccioni is a guy we want in our rotation to foster an attitude of team work, passing, and hard-nosed play.

IMO, he's showed more leadership in 3 weeks than Kevin Martin in 3 years.
 
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He's telling the truth. With no organization or leadership from coaching/management, you're going to get streetball style me-first play from the kids because they don't know where the ball is supposed to go (if anywhere, thanks Natt.) He's right that a draft pick won't save this style of play (ahem, Rubio might!) unless coaching changes with it. We need a long term coaching solution. Give him a 3 yr deal, and actually see it through.

Truth be told, however, I'm tired of players complaining to the media. Keep it on the inside. I'm sure Karl Malone would always complain about how short John Stockton's shorts were, but you never heard it.
 
"The Truth Hurts" was never more true than in Noce's quotes to Olé. He hit the nail on the head. Somebody had to say it. Not out of line at all just the reality of the situation.

So many kids, so many individuals trying for exposure for next year. The business side of an NBA small market team running head long into the player-team situation is not a pleasant site. As an ex-CEO I can fully understand the Maloof's side of the situation, the double whammy of a totally tanked economy, their casino operations likely taking a huge hit, a rebuilding team struggling big time and a big bunch of "kids" trying to showcase rather than play team ball. As an ex-college basketball player I too can see how easy it is for the younger guys to want to showcase rather than buy into team play. A pretty ugly situation that Noce sees 20-20.

Nothing much to do about it for the last 12 games except try to see who can really help next year. If they get Griffin in the draft then they have to trade for a veteran PG to run the team and take charge. But for now we all have to suck it up and agree with Noce.
 
Honestly, I am surprised that more quotes like this have not come out of the Kings' players... having a lame duck coach for half a season and shedding talent to save cash is a terrible situation to be in if your goal is to win games. I would be upset if I were in a similar situation; plus, being a vet on a rebuilding team can never be fun.
 
"If I can get something better, I will make the decision."

Everything else is uninteresting, but what does this mean? He can't opt out for 3 years after this summer. Is he going to demand a trade?
 
I don't blame Noc at all. In fact, I'm glad someone finally came out and said something like this, and I am dissapointed no one that was here before the trade deadline came out and said something. He is not in a good situation, and playing for the kings has to be extremely fustrating.

He's on a team with a pg that can't distribute the ball, AT ALL. The entire team is pretty selfish, and the only players who deserve more shots are Kevin, Spencer, JT, and probably Noc himself. Everyone else is just trying to pad their stats or playing for a contract. Garcia shoots too much, especially with a broken finger on his shooting hand. Beno forces up crap every game. Mccants... enough said. Solomon comes in the game and jacks it up from all over the court. These guys also never create for anyone else.

Right now our best, and most unselfish lineup would be BJax, Kevin, Noc, Jt, and Hawes. Those 5 guys play well together, and actually look for eachother on offense.

I don't blame Kevin, Jt, or Hawes for forcing shots, because they get ignored on offense repeatedly every game in spots on the floor where they should be getting the ball. In fact, I wish Kevin would force it more, and take 18-20 shots a game. When Kevin is passive it results in guys like Beno, Garcia, and Mccants forcing shots from all over the court. The team looks better when Kevin comes out aggresive and draws everyones attention, and then feeds JT and Hawes in the post. Too often Kevin has a great first quarter, sits a few minutes, and when he returns he doesn't get the ball because everyone is looking for their own shot. Same thing happens in the 2nd half. Kevin usually comes out agressive in the 3rd, sits a few minutes, and isn't heard from in the 4th. It seems like as soon as Kevin goes to the bench, everyone collectively thinks "its my turn now".

Of course it starts with Beno, the worst starting pg in the nba. Beno could help the situation by giving guys the ball when and where they should. But Beno is completely clueless out there. This is also why I don't want Garcia, Mccants, or Solomon around next year. I think all of them hurt the ball movement on offense, and are generally selfish players. Some may disagree about Garcia, but he constantly forces those pullup 20 footers, and loses the ball when attacking the paint.

If I was Noc I would be pissed to, and asking myself what the hell is going on around here? And I am suprised no one else, especially Natt, has come out and blasted the team for being selfish.
 
Don't see why people are actually happy about this. Guess what, Noc? You haven't made us any better. And way to bring the kids down with ya too, just as they're starting to play well again.

Au revoir mon ami. Never wanted him in the first place. Doesn't matter whether he's right or not, it's not his place to say it.

I'd bet there would be a horrible reaction had KT said the same.
 
We hardly knew ya Noc. Just when it seemed like everybody was starting to like you. Into the house KT built and redecorated by Salmons, you go. I think Artest used to live there also.

For a good team player he sure pooped on the organization quickly... only took about a month. Must be part of that unselfish "euro" style I keep hearing about.

However if people want to talk about passing, they need to start pointing to Kevin, too. Somehow people still don't think he gets enough shots and everytime this issue comes up it's everyone else's problem except his.
 
Clearly just trying to get out at this point. He is under contract until '12 and he definitely doesn't want to be there that long. Alienating his teammates like this and talking about the organization will basically make it so that the Kings have to trade him. Unfortunately, with that contract we might end up with another Kenny Thomas.

As a side note: What an *******... He acts like his atrocious shooting is not a part of the problem. He just got here and ALREADY he is fed up? He makes a contract that a player of his caliber should never have. Sack up and play ball.

-Side Note to Noc: Sacramento fans didn't want you here either. We want you out of here just as bad.
 
Don't see why people are actually happy about this. Guess what, Noc? You haven't made us any better. And way to bring the kids down with ya too, just as they're starting to play well again.

Au revoir mon ami. Never wanted him in the first place. Doesn't matter whether he's right or not, it's not his place to say it.

I'd bet there would be a horrible reaction had KT said the same.

Yeah I'm with you on this one. You wanna help us win? Then try hitting the rim on game-tying shots next time
 
Tell me again what the point was to bring a vet here? Reports were the Kings had offers for Nocioni around the deadline but instead decided to keep him. Great move.
 
While a lot of the things he says are true, I think it's too soon for some one who just arrived in Sacramento to start saying stuff like that. He should be a little more optimistic about the future of the franchise. He sounds as if there is no hope at all.
 
get a pen and paper

write 1000 times

argentina is not in europe

Argentina is not in Europe. But Andres Nocioni played in Europe between 1999-2004. That's five seasons in Europe prior to coming to the NBA. Wouldn't he qualify as a Euro player after five seasons there?
 
I don't blame Noc at all. In fact, I'm glad someone finally came out and said something like this, and I am dissapointed no one that was here before the trade deadline came out and said something. He is not in a good situation, and playing for the kings has to be extremely fustrating.

He's on a team with a pg that can't distribute the ball, AT ALL. The entire team is pretty selfish, and the only players who deserve more shots are Kevin, Spencer, JT, and probably Noc himself. Everyone else is just trying to pad their stats or playing for a contract.

Again, the core is all there is to build around. And the "stat padding" we all know is true. Deja Vu all over again re 97-98 season when Mitch was pissed and disarray was major. Then, GP bailed it out with JWill, CWebb, Vlade added to a small core. JWill was the stimulation and CWebb and Vlade the production. Now we need the stimulate PG who will run the team and direct traffic and get on those not moving. A vet for sure. But who??
 
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12044

Can't say that he's wrong about his observations, but I don't know if he's making the right move in going to the media at the moment. Maybe he really does want out and is just acting like he hasn't made up his mind.

This is very heavy. I'm not quite sure what to think. I do agree, I just don't know if it was the correct time to say anything.

One can clearly see his frustration. Not only do we suck, but we are a small market and no one wants to play here. He moved from Chicago to here.

He wants to win now. He has offically become a part of a long rebuilding process and his mind is still in "win now" mode.
 
Argentina is not in Europe. But Andres Nocioni played in Europe between 1999-2004. That's five seasons in Europe prior to coming to the NBA. Wouldn't he qualify as a Euro player after five seasons there?

No, he's not a Euro. He's from Argentina (I'd bet some people actually think that alone qualifies for being a Euro). Since "Euro" is short for European, he's still not a Euro. He's been in the NBA four or five years, does that make him American? Will you call Childress a Euro after he's been in Greece a few years? Didn't think so.
 
I long for the Adelman years and that team. I'm sure there were issues all the time, but it stayed in the locker room where it should stay. This is like listening to people bickering at the table next to you in a restaurant the whole time you're there. :rolleyes: Almost guaranteed to never resolve anything.

To call this "leadership" is BS. If a player wants to say these things, say them to the faces of your coaches and teammates, not to some reporter. That would actually take some real honesty and courage, though.
 
No, he's not a Euro. He's from Argentina (I'd bet some people actually think that alone qualifies for being a Euro). Since "Euro" is short for European, he's still not a Euro. He's been in the NBA four or five years, does that make him American? Will you call Childress a Euro after he's been in Greece a few years? Didn't think so.

What????

Thanks for the geography lesson. I don't think anyone here is as stupid as you think they are. Obviously, Noc developed in to an nba player during his 5+ years in europe, and many of his argentinian teamates play in europe to. That is the style of basketball he grew up playing, and was surrounded by before jumping to the nba. Most players improve most between the ages of 18-26. Guess what? Thats when Noc was in europe. In the offseason he plays with a lot of guys who play in europe. He has a european game, and in fact has played more games in europe than Nowitzki.
 
Again, this is our season in a nutshell: One of our best players and pieces of our future has complained openly about our team and the thread turns into what kind of geographical style of play he has.

That's just great.

:rolleyes:


;)
 
Again, this is our season in a nutshell: One of our best players and pieces of our future has complained openly about our team and the thread turns into what kind of geographical style of play he has.

I, for one, commend Kingsfans.com for being above your basic fan forums and using opportunities such as these for "teachable moments." Other places would have devolved into name-calling and general idiocy.

Yes, he is from Argentina, and yes, Argentina IS NOT in Europe. Furthermore, I am willing to contend that Argentinians play a different style of basketball than your traditional "Euro" game. Think about it for a sec. Would you call Ginobli "a soft Euro?" I wouldn't. There's an edge to their game that's absent in other places.
True, he shouldn't have said anything, but he did. How does the team respond? How will he respond? Will Natt toss him at the end of the bench, or will he take him aside (my plan on what he should do) and say, "Shut yer yap, and let your game do the talking. These kids need someone to follow." Of course, it's easy to ignore your coach when you know you have 11 more games with the guy.
 
What????

Thanks for the geography lesson. I don't think anyone here is as stupid as you think they are. Obviously, Noc developed in to an nba player during his 5+ years in europe, and many of his argentinian teamates play in europe to. That is the style of basketball he grew up playing, and was surrounded by before jumping to the nba. Most players improve most between the ages of 18-26. Guess what? Thats when Noc was in europe. In the offseason he plays with a lot of guys who play in europe. He has a european game, and in fact has played more games in europe than Nowitzki.


I wasn't talking to you. I was quoting someone else. And if no one is as "stupid" (as you put it) as "I think they are", why did they think Argentina is in Europe? Playing a few years in Europe does not make you a Euro. In fact, that is, in my opinion, a downright ignorant thing to say.

Many Argentines play in Europe because it is the best league in the world outside of the NBA. Not to turn into Euros! And the rest of your argument is moot. Doesn't matter where he played. Not a Euro. Is Jennings a Euro because he is spending a year developing in Europe? No, that would be a ridiculous thing to say.

Your comparison to Nowitzki is irrelevant, since a) Nowitzki has played most of his career in the NBA, and b) it doesn't make one bit of difference where you play ball when deciding nationality.

I would guess that Nocioni didn't just become a scrappy player when he moved to Europe, I'd imagine the majority of your style would be in place by the time you're 18, from then on you just improve. So again, he doesn't necessarily have a Euro style. The problem with this "Euro" term, is that American fans generally lump everyone not from the US in to "Euro style". Do people realise that Europe and South America are nowhere near eachother? How would their styles be the same? Only difference is that leagues outside the US aren't as athletic, and we all know why that really is.

Anyway, didn't mean to get so off-track. But if you're going to try and get away with insisting on calling an Argentine a Euro, I'm going to tell you how wrong you are. Won't drag this any further off topic.
 
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Again, this is our season in a nutshell: One of our best players and pieces of our future has complained openly about our team and the thread turns into what kind of geographical style of play he has.

That's just great.

:rolleyes:


;)

Season in a nutshell: some fans actually believe a 28 year old on a terrible contract, who wants no part of our future, is really an integral part of the future. :rolleyes:
 
Everything he said was true, of course, but what's the point of complaining about the press about the lack of chemistry? If you've given up, you might talk to the press about it. If you're hoping to make it better, you don't.

Sounds like Geoff has problems that hard workers like BJax and Nocioni won't cure, but rather will only underline.
 
Its funny how often this happens -- it seems that European (and Argentina is pretty close to Europe, right? :p) players have a tremendous number of these incidents when talking to their own language papers back overseas. All of the politically/sports correct language used everywhere else -- "we just have to keep working hard", "its a young team on the rise" etc. etc. gets thrown out the window, and they seem to say things to their home country media that are just off the wall brutally honest. Gripes that if you said them to the New York Times or something would just be eye opening. Still have not figured out whether that is because the players somehow feel "safe" talking to the non-English media, as if somehow its not going to make it back across the language barrier, if it is because these media outlets are largely tabloid in nature and really going fishing for sensationalistic quotes, take things out of context, put a spin on etc. etc., or if its because the players are put up on a pedastal in their home countries and they feel like they have to make excuses for why they are not dominating in the NBA.

As for the actual complaints:

1) well, yes
2) how exactly does he know anything about our fiscal attitude? He's been here 1 month during which time we have made no fiscal decisions. Is he just guessing from the trades?? Has he been told something? Does he have no concept of the free salary cap room to sign a free agent tactic?
3) disjointed and selfish play would be inevitable in a team with a 50% turnover rate at the trade deadline, would it not? What did he expect?
4) if I hear one more person say that our .418 shooting flopping 90lb weakling of an OG should get even more shots to chunk up I'm going to scream. If I hear one more person try to except from a selfishness label a player who shoots/flops 10 times for every assist he racks up I am going to scream even louder.
5) Nocioni may be a "winner"...in Europe. I have always thought, and still do, that he could be part of a winner in the NBA, but he's never won anything here. His Chicago teams barely made the playoffs in the East, and he came over from another lottery team (another young lottery team at that).
6) I was unaware of the opt out clauses -- is his "if I can get something better" actually a threat that he might use them? :eek: Never in a million years would I have guessed that.
7) maybe this interview is his way of doing just that -- after his play thus far you could easily have seen him being kept as sort of the veteran mentor to a young team, but after you blast them all in the paper/online whatever, kind of shoots your leadership right in the foot. Our players are stupid and selfish enough as is, now you call them on it in public, isn't anytway they are going to listen to you.
8) in the end, maybe its just the losing. Hence the comment about the draft. Like Bobby, an instinctual competitor and unable to reconcile himself to the strategic realities and life cycle of the NBA.
 
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