No Kings in Early All Star Voting

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EASTERN CONFERENCE 2012 NBA ALL-STAR BALLOTING

Guards: Derrick Rose (Chi) 640,476; Dwyane Wade (Mia) 637,912; Rajon Rondo (Bos) 253,969; Ray Allen (Bos) 174,934; Deron Williams (NJN) 89,128; Jose Calderon (Tor) 42,929; John Wall (Was) 38,025; Richard Hamilton (Chi) 36,418; Kyrie Irving (Cle) 27,713; Joe Johnson (Atl) 23,384.

Forwards: LeBron James (Mia) 640,789; Carmelo Anthony (NYK) 496,351; Amar’e Stoudemire (NYK) 178,797; Kevin Garnett (Bos) 173,161; Chris Bosh (Mia) 140,601; Paul Pierce (Bos) 94,071; Luol Deng (Chi) 85,086; Andrea Bargnani (Tor) 54,739; Carlos Boozer (Chi) 53,477; Hedo Turkoglu (Orl) 43,154.

Centers: Dwight Howard (Orl) 754,737; Joakim Noah (Chi) 75,038; Tyson Chandler (NYK) 61,774; Joel Anthony (Mia) 41,832; JaVale McGee (Was) 24,713; Al Horford (Atl) 23,546.

WESTERN CONFERENCE 2012 NBA ALL-STAR BALLOTING

Guards: Kobe Bryant (LAL) 690,613; Chris Paul (LAC) 540,173; Ricky Rubio (Min) 133,520; Steve Nash (Pho) 118,922; Russell Westbrook (OKC) 107,197; Kyle Lowry (Hou) 90,725; Monta Ellis (GS) 63,696; Manu Ginobili (SA) 50,765; Jason Kidd (Dal) 49,596; Chauncey Billups (LAC) 42,657.

Forwards: Kevin Durant (OKC) 633,538; Blake Griffin (LAC) 394,264; Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 231,832; Pau Gasol (LAL) 185,428; Kevin Love (Min) 143,814; LaMarcus Aldridge (Por) 118,268; Tim Duncan (SA) 81,783; Lamar Odom (Dal) 59,686; Metta World Peace (LAL) 39,006; Danilo Gallinari (Den) 34,438.

Centers: Andrew Bynum (LAL) 496,597; DeAndre Jordan (LAC) 134,961; Marc Gasol (Mem) 102,116; Nenê (Den) 94,167; Marcin Gortat (Pho) 62,631; Kendrick Perkins (OKC) 41,579.

Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/all-star-voting-results.shtml#ixzz1jH5Zd6VQ
 
Well of course not. We've got supposed Kings fans who would refuse to vote for our best guys for that honor, let alone the external perception. If we can somehow in the midst of this brutal road trip month string together some wins with more big performances from Reke and Cousins we may fially get some recognition, but of course it will be nowhere near what is required to make it of course. Our guys will always have to go in on coach's votes. And unfortunately for Cousins, who could easily be the best and most charismatic center in the West in a year or two, he both carries a national stigma and has to deal with the other best center in the West playing for the Lakers, who's fans once stuffed a ballot box so badly that they sent A.C. Green to the game instead of Mailman.

Its a process. Will take several years of winning and acheiving an Oklahoma City type status to get our top guys up the list.
 
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There are some real absurd numbers on that list.

How the heck does Ricky Rubio get 130,000+ votes, currently 3rd best guard in the West?!
What justifies Lamar Odom getting 60,000 votes?

Well, at least there's no one way up on the list this year that hasn't even played this season, like in previous years.

All-Star votes are hopelessly borked, but!
There actually is a small chance that Demarcus could sneak in... even THIS YEAR... as a coach selection All-Star -
there's not that much competition at the center spot in the West.

If the Kings expand their plays to include more pick-and-rolling like they may be starting to, and it leads to more easy buckets for DMC, he could easily average over 20, and if he stays on the court 30 minutes a game, his rebounding is almost guaranteed to be over 10....

Going into the All-Star break, it would be hard for the coaches to overlook those stats.
Then once he gets some national exposure (and his personality may play very well in the light-hearted, have-fun atmosphere of All-Star weekend) I could see him becoming a perennial AllStar very soon.

If he keeps playing like he has recently, and the Kings make a deliberate effort to give him easy buckets and rebounds (don't have teammates snatching them from him when uncontested, etc), this could happen WAY quicker than Kings fans realize, due to the coach's selection.

Fans and media might not be recognizing Demarcus, but I guarantee you, coaches are.
Plus, the NBA likes to throw a bone to smaller markets and/or downtrodden teams once in a while, and a coach's selection for an up-and-coming AllStar center is just the kind of thing I can see them doing earlier than people expect.
It doesn't "cost" the league much (it's just one spot of 12 for a pageant game), but it gains a lot of credit/credibility/goodwill if they do.
 
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IfAt1st said:
There are some real absurd numbers on that list.

How the heck does Ricky Rubio get 130,000+ votes, currently 3rd best guard in the West?!
What justifies Lamar Odom getting 60,000 votes?

Well, at least there's no one way up on the list this year that hasn't even played this season, like in previous years.

All-Star votes are hopelessly borked, but!
There actually is a small chance that Demarcus could sneak in... even THIS YEAR... as a coach selection All-Star -
there's not that much competition at the center spot in the West.

If the Kings expand their plays to include more pick-and-rolling like they may be starting to, and it leads to more easy buckets for DMC, he could easily average over 20, and if he stays on the court 30 minutes a game, his rebounding is almost guaranteed to be over 10....

Going into the All-Star break, it would be hard for the coaches to overlook those stats.
Then once he gets some national exposure (and his personality may play very well in the light-hearted, have-fun atmosphere of All-Star weekend) I could see him becoming a perennial AllStar very soon.

If he keeps playing like he has recently, and the Kings make a deliberate effort to give him easy buckets and rebounds (don't have teammates snatching them from him when uncontested, etc), this could happen WAY quicker than Kings fans realize, due to the coach's selection.

Fans and media might not be recognizing Demarcus, but I guarantee you, coaches are.
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Looks like the have about 750,000 votes. They probably only have a few arena's and some internet voting counted.

Odds are Bynum gets in as the starter. That leaves DMC competing with Jefferson, Gortat, Dalembert,Marc Gasol and Jordan for the backup.
 
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If DMC keep playing the way he has been, he is easily one of the top 4 centers in the West this year, and I think you could argue he is the 2nd best. If Bynum gets injured, he may be the best. Which is ridiculous when you realize he is 3 years younger than his youngest competition (Bynum) and 5 years younger than the other guys at this level(Jefferson and Gasol).

We are a very lucky team. A center like this comes into the league once a decade. No one that is currently playing was anywhere near DMC's level at this age.
 
rhythmless said:
Enough that the Anti Rubio bunch have been oddly quiet. You know, when they liked to throw lots of snide comments during the 20-5-5 marketing campaign.
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You mean the ones who said he was never coming and just a bunch of youtube videos? Naw, they wont admit they were way wrong.
 
Section 101 said:
You mean the ones who said he was never coming and just a bunch of youtube videos? Naw, they wont admit they were way wrong.
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And if you continue to walk around waving your Rubio flag and taunting people, they're unlikely to ever listen to you.

This site has had WAAAAAAY too much "I was right and you were wrong, nyah, nyah, nyah" junk going on lately. Seriously. People need to grow up and knock it off.
 
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And if you continue to walk around waving your Rubio flag and taunting people, they're unlikely to ever listen to you.

This site has had WAAAAAAY too much "I was right and you were wrong, nyah, nyah, nyah" junk going on lately. Seriously. People need to grow up and knock it off.
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This site also has too much "x kings player is going to be an all star and average 20-10" irrespective of how many people actually do it or how plausible it actually is. This site also throws a lot of excuses for their guys "plantar faciitis" "he's only 20" "it's only his first/second/third/fourth season" "not being able to jump will prevent ankle injuries(lol on that one right?)" "he's got all sta talent" "ball handlers are overrated" "curry is older" "you can't judge someone after 10/20/50/100 games" "DMc shoots 40% because no one punches him in the face after going 4-15" and on and on.

We have guys with all star talent. Guess what? So does everyone else. Not putting it all together is far more likely than putting it together. There are plenty of hyped guys who end up as just another basketball player. We currently have many of those guys. In fact, that's all we have. We have a guard who cannot dictate a game yet cannot shoot a wide open shot. We have a center who can't get out of his own way and almost takes away as much as he gives at times. When everyone annoints these flawed players as messiahs, yes, I would like for them to at least realize they jump the gun too quickly.

And iirc, much of the "eating crow" comments came from mods for a while. You want people to grow up? So do I.
 
rhythmless said:
This site also has too much "x kings player is going to be an all star and average 20-10" irrespective of how many people actually do it or how plausible it actually is. This site also throws a lot of excuses for their guys "plantar faciitis" "he's only 20" "it's only his first/second/third/fourth season" "not being able to jump will prevent ankle injuries(lol on that one right?)" "he's got all sta talent" "ball handlers are overrated" "curry is older" "you can't judge someone after 10/20/50/100 games" "DMc shoots 40% because no one punches him in the face after going 4-15" and on and on.

We have guys with all star talent. Guess what? So does everyone else. Not putting it all together is far more likely than putting it together. There are plenty of hyped guys who end up as just another basketball player. We currently have many of those guys. In fact, that's all we have. We have a guard who cannot dictate a game yet cannot shoot a wide open shot. We have a center who can't get out of his own way and almost takes away as much as he gives at times. When everyone annoints these flawed players as messiahs, yes, I would like for them to at least realize they jump the gun too quickly.

And iirc, much of the "eating crow" comments came from mods for a while. You want people to grow up? So do I.
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Wow. Where to begin? First, most of the talk around future stars is based upon Reke and Cousins, which they will be. Most teams don't have young talent with the ceilings of those two. Look at Reke's stats since Smart took over. He's dominated games on both ends. Look at Cousins play of late. He's dominated games as well. Ther isn't another center in the league with Cousins' potential or talent. So no, not every team has budding all star talent like Reke and Cousins. Not even close.

Secondly, aside from your last exaggerated excuse in your first paragraph, most of the time those topics have been discussed they are legit excuses.

No one has said anyone besides Cousins will be a 20/10 guy, which he will. Please tell me any other player on our team someone said would be a 20/10 guy.

Plantar fasciitis is real, is extremely painful, and is definitely a legit excuse. So is being 20, when others suggest you shouldn't be playing as most 20 yr olds do. Again, Reke/Cousins are far better than most their age in this league, same as Thornton. The problems appear when people suggest Reke will never be as good as ______, when _____ is a 7 year veteran, and Reke is only 20 or 21. Age/inexperience isn't an excuse. It'a reality, we're the youngest team in the league.

Not being able to jump prevents ankle injuries? Who said that? You're taking it out of context. To suggest Reke might not sprain his ankle as much because he's not a high flyer would be correct. To suggest Cousins might not have to deal with knee and ankle injuries because he's a ground bound player would also be correct.

You're other examples don't mean much without context. I will say, the judging players on 10/20/50 games or whatever, usually comes up when people act as if youth/inexperience isn't a cause of some of the crap we see on the court, when it is. Or when someone suggest a guy 50 games into his career, will have similar composure to a 5 year vet. Most people say 10/20/50 games isn't an excuse, when comparing our youngest guys to seasoned vets. So it actually is a very valid excuse, and really is the reality of the league. Vet teams win for a reason.
 
rhythmless said:
This site also has too much "x kings player is going to be an all star and average 20-10" irrespective of how many people actually do it or how plausible it actually is. This site also throws a lot of excuses for their guys "plantar faciitis" "he's only 20" "it's only his first/second/third/fourth season" "not being able to jump will prevent ankle injuries(lol on that one right?)" "he's got all sta talent" "ball handlers are overrated" "curry is older" "you can't judge someone after 10/20/50/100 games" "DMc shoots 40% because no one punches him in the face after going 4-15" and on and on.

We have guys with all star talent. Guess what? So does everyone else. Not putting it all together is far more likely than putting it together. There are plenty of hyped guys who end up as just another basketball player. We currently have many of those guys. In fact, that's all we have. We have a guard who cannot dictate a game yet cannot shoot a wide open shot. We have a center who can't get out of his own way and almost takes away as much as he gives at times. When everyone annoints these flawed players as messiahs, yes, I would like for them to at least realize they jump the gun too quickly.

And iirc, much of the "eating crow" comments came from mods for a while. You want people to grow up? So do I.
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Cut that out. If you are really this angry all the time buy one of those blow up punching bags that always pops right back up. Or you could try:

In any case there's always something new and exciting to complain about, but you are kind of late to the party on the Reke and DeMarcus thing. They have been well on their way ever since Smart took over. Reke in fact is no averahing 25-6-5 since the coaching change. DeMarcus it turns out was sick tonight, so I'll mulligan him after playing some dominant ball. Feel free however to now switch over to complainging about Jimmer and Salmons, as those are both sore spots that have not resolved yet. There is also probably still traffic on I-5 out by the arena, and I'm pretty sure the peanut vendors in section 202 are rude and in need of chastizing.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Cut that out. If you are really this angry all the time buy one of those blow up punching bags that always pops right back up. Or you could try:

In any case there's always something new and exciting to complain about, but you are kind of late to the party on the Reke and DeMarcus thing. They have been well on their way ever since Smart took over. Reke in fact is no averahing 25-6-5 since the coaching change. DeMarcus it turns out was sick tonight, so I'll mulligan him after playing some dominant ball. Feel free however to now switch over to complainging about Jimmer and Salmons, as those are both sore spots that have not resolved yet. There is also probably still traffic on I-5 out by the arena, and I'm pretty sure the peanut vendors in section 202 are rude and in need of chastizing.
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Thanks for the pennies worth of psychotherapy. I'll keep that in mind.

I was listing examples of actual excuses, which sort of have to be in the past, unless the shrinks couch that you have obtained is also a time machine. Except for the last one on cousin's shot selection, that was just an addition.

Some people seem to only project roses and all stars and HOF titles with sneers at players on other teams. This is ok with the establishment. I seek to bring a balance. As long as people can bring about asinine predictions and proclamations I see no reason why equally asinine talk on the other end must be censored.

There's enough flak on Jimmer from others. As for salmons, pretty much everyone called that out as horrible from the get go, me included.

Or am I supposed to say how Jimmer is the next Rick Barry?

Popular players get all star votes. A pretty spaniard with unselfish play and pretty passes and rockstar status around the world will get votes. Averaging 14 assists as a team while pounding the ball and being in the bottom of the standings will not get you all star votes. Unless you can dunk the crap out of the ball. Scowling does not get you in. As far as I'm concerned, all star shouldnt even be in the thought process. Our guys dont deserve it yet. Win and you will get there.
 
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rhythmless said:
Popular players get all star votes. A pretty spaniard with unselfish play and pretty passes and rockstar status around the world will get votes. Averaging 14 assists as a team while pounding the ball and being in the bottom of the standings will not get you all star votes. Unless you can dunk the crap out of the ball. Scowling does not get you in. As far as I'm concerned, all star shouldnt even be in the thought process. Our guys dont deserve it yet. Win and you will get there.
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Yep.
 
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