Next trade: Sacramento/Orlando?

[SacKings4Life21]

Brick I have always thought you were a genius and it continues to show itself. How old are you? Could you somehow get Geoff's job? I have never disagreed with a thing you have said... which is ironic becuase everyone calls me crazy. You go glen co co.

 

[kingsfan101]

Like it, always have. Only additional item of interest could be flakeboy's (Fran Vasquez) rights.

Been suggesting variations of that since the beginning of the year, and still agree -- Orlando has a aneed, we have a need, we could turn the whole rebuilding thing around in a single trading season if we were able to pull this as well as an Artest deal off.

Another chip the Magics have is Reddick. He is not getting much PT there, and I believe, has already requested a trade once.

No, if we get him, I don't want us to keep him. However, he is a young guy who can shoot from outside. A team (like Denver) could use such guys, and we might be able to trade him in future for some additional help.

 

[venom_7]

The Magic fans are talking about getting Cisco in the deal, and thats when it becomes a bad trade. The thing that separates Brad from Bibby is that Brad is still useful. Unfortunately by the time the Kings become relevant again Brad will be either too old to contribute or retired. So I say we keep him for at least one more season and then try to ship him. Its obvious he had pledged himself to be better this season, and I see more of the same under Reggie next season. Orlando really doesn't have anything the Kings would want anyway.

 

[CruzDude]

Brad Miller can only help the rebuilding process by staying here

YEP!!! High post bigs like Brad are rare. The comparison to the Lakers forgets one thing: Kobe, arguably the best player in the NBA. Like him or hate him that is very close to being very true.

Brad, Kevin and Beno are the new core. We saw how well Beno and Salmons played when Bibby and Artest we out for many games. So the rebuild is with who they now have, one good one in the trade Williams and 3 expirings. If Hawes and young Shelden prove to be the backup bigs then the scoring and defense is the focus.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i say ship brads *** out when a good deal comes around (expirings/picks/youth). anybody see the housing bubble burst? thats the same thing w/ brad. he aint getting any younger and can only go down in value. hes helped his trade value by getting in shape and busting his hump in games. i say get it before he hurts himself or another step slower.

we don't need to keep brad as a mentor for hawes. if we really were serious, we'd bring vlade in as an assistant coach and let him learn from the real master of passing. dwight has ewing as a mentor/assistant coach, bynum has kareem as mentor/assistant coach. i believe ewing was there for yao also.

 

[SacKings7]

I say let's do it and get under the cap. How can rebuilding occur "too fast"? Just because we (can) have cap room now doesn't mean we have to use all of it this offseason..

 

[Sluggah]

the Palms and a 2nd rounder for Dwight Howard.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

the Palms and a 2nd rounder for Dwight Howard.

i second that

 

[ParniValjak]

i say ship brads *** out when a good deal comes around (expirings/picks/youth). anybody see the housing bubble burst? thats the same thing w/ brad. he aint getting any younger and can only go down in value. hes helped his trade value by getting in shape and busting his hump in games. i say get it before he hurts himself or another step slower.

we don't need to keep brad as a mentor for hawes. if we really were serious, we'd bring vlade in as an assistant coach and let him learn from the real master of passing. dwight has ewing as a mentor/assistant coach, bynum has kareem as mentor/assistant coach. i believe ewing was there for yao also.

Why do people still live this pipe dream of Vlade becoming as assistant coach?!

He is a GM of one of the best team in Europe. He gets paid a lot of money to do the job that he thoroughly enjoys doing. Its his dream job, now why exactly would he turn down that position to be an assistant coach in the NBA when he always had plans of living in europe once his NBA career is over?!

If you want a big man coach, then we should look somewhere else because Vlade sure as hell isn't downgrading in his career aspirations in retirement!

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Why do people still live this pipe dream of Vlade becoming as assistant coach?!

He is a GM of one of the best team in Europe. He gets paid a lot of money to do the job that he thoroughly enjoys doing. Its his dream job, now why exactly would he turn down that position to be an assistant coach in the NBA when he always had plans of living in europe once his NBA career is over?!

If you want a big man coach, then we should look somewhere else because Vlade sure as hell isn't downgrading in his career aspirations in retirement!

what pipe dream? i could care less about vlade coming to be an assistant coach. i used vlade as an example of mentor for our young hawes. we don't need to keep brad to mentor hawes. i was hoping we'd keep christie to mentor kevin but he was traded. did it stop kevin from reaching new heights? nope.

 

[Vlade4GM]

YEP!!! High post bigs like Brad are rare. The comparison to the Lakers forgets one thing: Kobe, arguably the best player in the NBA. Like him or hate him that is very close to being very true.

Brad, Kevin and Beno are the new core. We saw how well Beno and Salmons played when Bibby and Artest we out for many games. So the rebuild is with who they now have, one good one in the trade Williams and 3 expirings. If Hawes and young Shelden prove to be the backup bigs then the scoring and defense is the focus.

That's because teams generally want their centers in the low post, but even so I don't think they're that rare. Miller is 31 years old and isn't likely to have better trade value than he does now, he isn't the core of anything.

 

[Bricklayer]

YEP!!! High post bigs like Brad are rare. The comparison to the Lakers forgets one thing: Kobe, arguably the best player in the NBA. Like him or hate him that is very close to being very true.

Brad, Kevin and Beno are the new core. We saw how well Beno and Salmons played when Bibby and Artest we out for many games. So the rebuild is with who they now have, one good one in the trade Williams and 3 expirings. If Hawes and young Shelden prove to be the backup bigs then the scoring and defense is the focus.

I think we main have to define "core" -- if you've got a soon to be 32 year old center as part of the "core" of your lottery team...you are doing something wrong. And Beno, as much as I think this was the right move to retain him, is still auditioning and will likely never be a high level starting PG. I think good enough for the time being, but Tony Parker is part of your core. Baron Davis. Chauncey Billups. Beno just fills the position.

 

[VF21]

I think MIller's contract will expire at exactly the right time. We'll be able to phase Hawes in as we're phasing Miller out. I don't see that trading him right now would help in the long run. You have to have some stagger to your roster. All rookies is just as bad as all old vets. Balance is what wins the most. Get a core and replace the aging vets with younger players and hope for the best.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think MIller's contract will expire at exactly the right time. We'll be able to phase Hawes in as we're phasing Miller out. I don't see that trading him right now would help in the long run. You have to have some stagger to your roster. All rookies is just as bad as all old vets. Balance is what wins the most. Get a core and replace the aging vets with younger players and hope for the best.

Now you're just making stuff up.

And Miller's contract is strangling us every bit as much as KT and SAr's/ Between the three they eat nearly half our cap for the next three years. if you can get that gone, you get it gone. We have more than enoguh young guys who really ain't that young (Salmons, Cisco, Martin etc.) so that its never going to be an all rookie affair. let alone the old men up front along wiht old man Miller.

 

[VF21]

Making stuff up? Nope.

Miller is a veteran presence who is contributing. KT and SAR are doing NOTHING to earn their salaries. Right now I do not see the urgency to dump Miller. Give him another year and he's a large expiring contract AND Hawes (who is ONLY 19, remember) has more time to develop his game.

You can feel free to disagree with me, which I know you have no problem doing, but I didn't make up a freaking thing.

 

[nbrans]

At this point it's really simple to me. Would I rather have Jose Calderon, Monta Ellis or Josh Smith on the team next year or Brad Miller? I'd take Calderon, Ellis or Smith. Young stars who are evolving into superstars. And that's the type of player we could sign with the cap room from shedidng Brad.

Now, I don't know if Otis Smith will be down with this trade because it would constrain their roster (and especially their bench). But at this point Brad for expirings isn't very complicated to me. If it's available you do it.

 

[kupman]

Beno may be part of the new core...maybe not. I think you have to at least give him a full season as the starting PG to know what he may really be able to do. The guy is a first rounder and finally getting his chance. Time will only tell what he makes of that chance.

Same goes with Hawes. What will he be like on 3-4 years when he starts and is getting 35+ minutes? Not sure....but he sure looks great right now for a guy that is 2 years from being able to legally buy beer.

 

[VF21]

At this point it's really simple to me. Would I rather have Jose Calderon, Monta Ellis or Josh Smith on the team next year or Brad Miller? I'd take Calderon, Ellis or Smith. Young stars who are evolving into superstars. And that's the type of player we could sign with the cap room from shedidng Brad.

Now, I don't know if Otis Smith will be down with this trade because it would constrain their roster (and especially their bench). But at this point Brad for expirings isn't very complicated to me. If it's available you do it.

Oh please. Monta Ellis is not going to be on the open market.

 

[nbrans]

Oh please. Monta Ellis is not going to be on the open market.

How do you know? He's a restricted agent, and Golden State's payroll next year is at $47 million and they have to re-sign BOTH Biedrins and Ellis, and round out their bench (they only have six players under contract). Sure, maybe they'll match, but Biedrins will probably take first priority. Throw enough money at Ellis and you could potentially force GS's hand.

 

[Smills91]

How do you know? He's a restricted agent, and Golden State's payroll next year is at $47 million and they have to re-sign BOTH Biedrins and Ellis, and round out their bench (they only have six players under contract). Sure, maybe they'll match, but Biedrins will probably take first priority. Throw enough money at Ellis and you could potentially force GS's hand.

It'd be fun just to do it, and put the Warriors in a financial stranglehold for years to come. It's be a smart play nonetheless.

 

[Kingster]

That's not actually true. Younger players DO look to the vets for guidance and wisdom and tricks of the trade. It's part of the process. You learn how to do something in practice and then you go out and try it during a game. You don't try your first half-hook in the middle of the 4th quarter of a critical game.

A successful team is a blend of youth and experience.

From what I've seen, Hawes has more moves to teach Brad than vice-versa. This slow as she goes approach is death. All you get are lower draft picks, which creates a nice little team down the line, but nothing special. The cord has been cut. Now it's time to take the patient off life support and end it.

 

[kingsfan101]

How do you know? He's a restricted agent, and Golden State's payroll next year is at $47 million and they have to re-sign BOTH Biedrins and Ellis, and round out their bench (they only have six players under contract). Sure, maybe they'll match, but Biedrins will probably take first priority. Throw enough money at Ellis and you could potentially force GS's hand.

Where do you get all this info? The sticky thread on our board doesn't have current information. hoopshype etc. are also sometimes out of date, or not very reliable. From time to time, I try to look up info on some players, and have to settle with hoopshype numbers. Is there a better site?

 

[nbrans]

Where do you get all this info? The sticky thread on our board doesn't have current information. hoopshype etc. are also sometimes out of date, or not very reliable. From time to time, I try to look up info on some players, and have to settle with hoopshype numbers. Is there a better site?

I was going by Hoopshype, which, yes, can be inaccurate but is at least in the ballpark.

 

[kingsfan101]

I was going by Hoopshype, which, yes, can be inaccurate but is at least in the ballpark.

Thanks. Was just hoping for something better.

Guess sacbee could have a site at least for Kings' players!

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Now you're just making stuff up.

And Miller's contract is strangling us every bit as much as KT and SAr's/ Between the three they eat nearly half our cap for the next three years. if you can get that gone, you get it gone. We have more than enoguh young guys who really ain't that young (Salmons, Cisco, Martin etc.) so that its never going to be an all rookie affair. let alone the old men up front along wiht old man Miller.

Preach it!

Hawes = a nobody and will always be a nobody
Miller = having a season that noone thought he would have... if we dont trade him now, we watch 13mil of our cap go bye bye while he might as well be fishing. Ok ok I buy the whole mentoring thing a little bit. But we have noone to mentor, so trade the old man.

 

[Eskimo]

Brad Miller can only help the rebuilding process by staying here

We need Brad Miller, he is the key to our offence.

 

[SCKingsfan]

The whole "we should have traded Brad Miller now because he's playing so well and getting old so fast" is ridiculous. The only team likely to pick up Brad at this point in his career is a team that does so because they are looking to make a run right now. If there was team looking for what he offers this year, and was willing to give us something, i'm sure he'd be gone. And the fact is that they are just as likely to do so next year, or the next, almost regardless of the relative +/- on his point and rebound production (assuming he does not fall off ridiculously). It's not his althleticism that gives him market value anyway, and if he's fairly injury free in the next couple of years, he'll go as easily as he might have this year. If we are realisitcally thinking toward 2010, I don't see any big hurry with him. Watching him play as a king in the meantime is not a problem for me, assuming Hawes gets the increasing minutes he deserves on the floor.

 

[VF21]

From what I've seen, Hawes has more moves to teach Brad than vice-versa. This slow as she goes approach is death. All you get are lower draft picks, which creates a nice little team down the line, but nothing special. The cord has been cut. Now it's time to take the patient off life support and end it.

You are completely and totally missing my point.

1. Brad is going to be a HUGE expiring contract in 2009-2010.
2. Spencer Hawes is 19 years old.
3. Brad is playing great ball, giving Hawes time to learn the ropes without being shoved into the whole starting scenario too quickly.
4. You don't reward a player who has totally rededicated himself to the game and your team by trading him away for chump change. (You can argue the rationale of this but the reality is it's not gonna happen.)
5. If 2010 is indeed the year Petrie has been planning for, we lose nothing by keeping Miller around.

 

[VF21]

Where do you get all this info? The sticky thread on our board doesn't have current information. hoopshype etc. are also sometimes out of date, or not very reliable. From time to time, I try to look up info on some players, and have to settle with hoopshype numbers. Is there a better site?

Oops.



Thanks. We'll try and get that stuff updated so the links are more current.

 

[KCKingsCountry]

You are completely and totally missing my point.

1. Brad is going to be a HUGE expiring contract in 2009-2010.
5. If 2010 is indeed the year Petrie has been planning for, we lose nothing by keeping Miller around.

If you look at it, Miller, KT, and SAR can get us a superstar bc of those big expiring contracts. We just need to get a core of young guys.