More Williams Joerger drama
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It's better than a knee jerk reaction. I think the franchise needs to think about what they want to do before they end up putting their foot in their mouth, which they were prone to do.
Bosnian Diehard
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I agree completely. In what organization is there this type of conflict between two high-powered leaders of the franchise, and no action is taken? Vlade/Vivek are now in a spot where even taking no action states which side theyre are on. No action leans towards them not siding with Joerger; firing whoever leaked the initial story shows a clear stance, that the Kings are completely behind Joerger.
So any logical person would consider the following factors:
• we are lucky to even have coach like Joerger considering our history of been uncompletely unfair to coaches, and to generally being a very poorly run franchise
• Joerger has us playing our best basketball in years, coming when we were a consesus bottom two or three team coming into this season
• our goal the last couple years has been: develop talent and find a star player. Goal accomplished under Joerger, players have developed well under him and Fox looks to be a future star
• having Williams leak a story for his personal gain shows he cares more about his own power than the team’s performance and credibility
Now if Vivek and/or Vlade can’t CLEARLY see Joerger is obviously who we should align behind, then I don’t know what to think about this franchise and it’s future. I’ve already been tested heavily with extreme mismanagement of this franchise the past several years. I can’t imagine what I would do if next year we start the year without Joerger and Williams still has a job here.
burekijogurt
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who is the source for this one? Joerger?
If this leak came from Joerger I would fire them both if I were Vlade. Its one thing to play politics withinn the organization, ita another to use the outside world to do so.
If this leak came from Joerger I would fire them both if I were Vlade. Its one thing to play politics withinn the organization, ita another to use the outside world to do so.
Kingsfan23
All-Star
Joerger comes before Vlade IMO. I think Vivek would see it like that even if he didn’t want another round of coach before GM
Livinthedream
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I agree. I think what the franchise wanted to do is take care of the conflict in-house. It was behind us until today.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
The smart move would be for Vivek to resolve before 5 PM PT and start of TNT coverage tonight's Kings-Clips game. Fire Williams and be done with it. No distractions, no drama, no dragging out any further. Otherwise, TNT will exploit it as more evidence "laughing stock" Kings.
The Hammer
All-Star
I would disagree. It starts in this case at #3, Williams. Vlade and Vivek have flaws, but they are not toxic. Toxicity is active sabotage, which is Williams game.
Livinthedream
All-Star
No. Says it's blown out of proportion. Says Williams has no power to fire Joeger so it's a non issue.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
I will counter your disagree with a respectfully disagree
This all starts with the man in charge...Vivek. This same crap was occurring before Vlade and Williams were here. What’s the common denominator (s)?
The Hammer
All-Star
Once again Bruski with the pro journalism here.
He was the gold standard source of info throughout the entire arena and relocation drama. Glad to see his finger is still on the pulse. Trust no one but Bruski.
The Hammer
All-Star
Sure, it's happening under Vivek, I would simply disicriminate between toxicity/active sabotage, and clumsy or incompetent. I don't see the former from Vivek or Vlade. I see a little of the latter in Vivek, but see he has also dramatically improved in that regard. Vlade has for the most part been doing a great job and under the massive scrutiny his position engenders, imo has performed very well.I will counter your disagree with a respectfully disagree
This all starts with the man in charge...Vivek. This same crap was occurring before Vlade and Williams were here. What’s the common denominator (s)?
The problem again as I see it is active sabotage by Williams, and the mistake by Vivek and Vlade in this situation was not firing him immediately, but perhaps didn't have enough intel to do so, I can't say. I do wish they would fire him now however.
Very hard to see how he makes it to the end of the week though.
Bit messy, but hopefully they will learn from this.
Assistant GMs are a dime a dozen. You don't need a big name. You can go with competence and be just fine.
kingsfan1984
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William's wants to be fired so he can go home and collect a paycheck. Why else leak this? That said, he should have been disciplined in some manner if not fired to put him in his place. Joerger doing what vlade should have done here honestly. Embarrassed him in some manner to send a message where he stands after the crap he pulled
Reverend
Bench
My guess is Williams has dirt on the FO and ownership group that they don’t want getting out or made into a bigger issue than it is currently, so Vlade figures the best way to project stability is to brush off the claims as rumors. No other reason you let this fester for weeks without any type of resolution
kingsfan1984
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Would just like to say I appreciate the non drama and professionalism of one Ken Cantaneli (spelling)
63royals
Bench
So ... office empire building.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I personally think rambling, nonsensical conspiracy theories should be encouraged.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
They Certainly make me feel better about my posts
kingsfan1984
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this is somehow connected to a Seattle ownership group looking to foment discontent in this franchise so they can have another attempt to purchase
Well that's certainly a different take... There's an ironclad contract between the Kings and the city of Sacramento re the Golden 1 Center. Even if the team is sold to different owners, they're bound to that contract.
Suicide King
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I have been wanting to get back into my creative writing....
kingsfan101
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If Vivek/Vlade are reasonably sure that Williams is the leak, he needs to go. No two ways about it. You just can't undermine the coach publically.
That said, as an organization we need to answer several tough questions. If Williams is a day to day operations guy, what is Vlade's/Peja's role? Is this common among other FOs in the league? Some folks have rightly asked, if not Dave, then who? While fair, we also need to ask, if not Williams, then who?
While Williams transgressions should (likely will) get him the axe, we need to have some well respected nuts and bolts guys in the FO. I'm sure all FOs have such guys, and Williams probably was ours. If we fire him, we should be ready with a plan to replace him.
That said, as an organization we need to answer several tough questions. If Williams is a day to day operations guy, what is Vlade's/Peja's role? Is this common among other FOs in the league? Some folks have rightly asked, if not Dave, then who? While fair, we also need to ask, if not Williams, then who?
While Williams transgressions should (likely will) get him the axe, we need to have some well respected nuts and bolts guys in the FO. I'm sure all FOs have such guys, and Williams probably was ours. If we fire him, we should be ready with a plan to replace him.
