I think that pretty much sums up the whole situation.
These three players don't compliment eachother very well. In a lot of ways having a Reef/Miller combo is the same thing as a Webber/Miller combo. Both pairings don't really compliment eachother because talents/weaknesses are basically the same. The way this team is built right now it desperately needs a player that can be a force in the paint. Of course as long as Rick Adelman is the coach that isn't going to happen. A few things need to change around here for sure. What direction is up to Petrie, but one thing is for sure, he sees the same problems we do. At least I hope he does.
These three players don't compliment eachother very well. In a lot of ways having a Reef/Miller combo is the same thing as a Webber/Miller combo. Both pairings don't really compliment eachother because talents/weaknesses are basically the same. The way this team is built right now it desperately needs a player that can be a force in the paint. Of course as long as Rick Adelman is the coach that isn't going to happen. A few things need to change around here for sure. What direction is up to Petrie, but one thing is for sure, he sees the same problems we do. At least I hope he does.
The only reason sar has avg only 15 points is because he was only taking 11 shot per game in the beinning of the season. But in the past few games the team has made a point to give shareef the ball more (which should happened long ago look at the guys FG avg i think its second best in the nba), if this keeps occuring i expect him to avg around 18 to 20 points. And i have to agree brad has to be second to go after peja, We need a shot blocker/ rebounder like a Wilcox and maybe even a blout from boston to cover shareef bad D.
Also way do we trade sar, he is our best offs player and he carrys this team for steches when nobody else scores so just image what would happen if we traded him for a more def minded player. To me trading brad for def minded makes more sense.
Also way do we trade sar, he is our best offs player and he carrys this team for steches when nobody else scores so just image what would happen if we traded him for a more def minded player. To me trading brad for def minded makes more sense.
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Sorry we still sucked before reef shoot more, heck sar kept us in the game against S.A.(he played solid D on duncan too) and the Cats. It was missed free throws that killed us in the S.A. And It was brads bad D on Brezc making look like an all-star (sorry for the mispelling), Peja passing the ball in the last few seconds of the shot clock to teammates and being to scared to shoot, and bibby's shooting 8 of 23 that killed us against the cats. So i wonder how shooting above .500 hurts the team.
The more Shareef get the ball the more we lose? Shareef is the 2nd highest shooting percentage in the entire NBA. If anyone on the team is going to give you points when they get the ball, Shareef will.
If you want to point fingers, then start with our rooten core. I agree that Brad Miller is tradeable but it all depends on what you get for him. Once he is traded, then Rick Adelman will have to make significant changes to the offense. My bet is that Peja, Kenny Thomas and one more player will be traded first. I don't see Petrie trading two starters at once. I'm not sure he has ever done that before.
If you want to point fingers, then start with our rooten core. I agree that Brad Miller is tradeable but it all depends on what you get for him. Once he is traded, then Rick Adelman will have to make significant changes to the offense. My bet is that Peja, Kenny Thomas and one more player will be traded first. I don't see Petrie trading two starters at once. I'm not sure he has ever done that before.
Great post...I've been thinking this for a while now. bibby needs to go too, but thats another thread and less of an issue. Your frontline players are supposed to anchor your defense! In an ideal world everyone on the team would play great one-on-one defense and would not need any help. However, you can have guards that get beat off the dribble if there is a big man or men clogging the paint and blocking or altering shots. Having a good shot blocking center or power forward would make up for your guards' defensive defficiencies.
As much as I like Miller...there is no denying his shortcomings and he needs to go. I wouldn't even want him playing power-forward alongside a great center...i'd rather have an inexpensive/younger/defensive PF like haslem or murphy.
With all this being said...its gonna be hard for us to address some of our other problems...like our coach or princeton offensive, with petrie/adelman/carril being such good pals.
As much as I like Miller...there is no denying his shortcomings and he needs to go. I wouldn't even want him playing power-forward alongside a great center...i'd rather have an inexpensive/younger/defensive PF like haslem or murphy.
With all this being said...its gonna be hard for us to address some of our other problems...like our coach or princeton offensive, with petrie/adelman/carril being such good pals.
The thing with Brad is that he has the skill set to flourish in the Princeton offense, but with the makeup of the Kings now and the possibility of a coaching change, the Princeton offesne may be a thing of the past in a few months. The problem though is what do we realistically get in return for him? Brining in someone like Magloire or Jeff Foster isn't bad, but without that other superstar on the front line we won't be much better if at all.
He doesn't need to go. He needs help down low. Like CWebb with a good knee. Miller can clog the middle IF, and a big IF, the other forwards rotate to help on the weak side. He is slow of foot so consistent rotation by others helps that. Then again if our guards could stay in front of their counterparts, we wouldn't need this thread.
SOMEBODY needs to go. Not sure who. But this lineup never was tenable, and still isn't. If you pair Miller with Jermaine O'Neal, then his deficiencies are covered up somewhhat. If you pair Reef with Ben Wallace, then Ben takes care of all of the diryt work and Reef gets his shots. If you put Peja in Miami,,,etc. etc. etc. But you just can't have them all oout there together. it has absolutely no chance of ever working at any sort of high level. All of this magical "team defense" talk where all of our poor defenders rotate precisely and is in perfect postion is fantasy talk. Every good, let alone great, defensive team needs to have a stopper or two, and NEEDS an interior shotblocker. This isn't college or high school. Guys aren't going to consistently miss unless yoou MAKE them miss.
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well bibby has no D either so expect guards to burn him all day long. shareef can't rotate and he is smaller than miller, we are in trouble. which again proves my point that shareef is a terrible defender and terrible help defender when bibby constantly gets killed.
this would be solved if we brought in a guard like dimitrios diamantidis. a 6'5 greek pg who is noted as the best defender in europe. the man held tony parker to 4 points on 2 occasions. can score to boot.
petrie will insist on keeping horrible players like jason hart though. and waiting for them to "develope". which never happens.
this would be solved if we brought in a guard like dimitrios diamantidis. a 6'5 greek pg who is noted as the best defender in europe. the man held tony parker to 4 points on 2 occasions. can score to boot.
petrie will insist on keeping horrible players like jason hart though. and waiting for them to "develope". which never happens.
I would like to trade our entire frontcourt, bench and all, but it ain't gonna happen. Brad has sucked more than Reef but the room for improvement between Brad and a possible replacement is much less than between Reef and a replacement. Reef is great for packaging with someone more pricey like Bibby. Peja, we can just deal straight up for somebody.
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i disagree that brad has sucked worse. brad has kept the team together at times when everyone else including reef has sucked to all ends. brad has just lowered his game lately to the substandard that everyone else was at. brad also dosen't shoot as much so his ppg are down. reef is told to shoot so his ppg stats are up. reef is still soft, no D and isn't the answer for this team. i agree reef(what a goofy name) should be moved and i'd be happy to see bibby moved. he has no d and never will. give me a defensive pg and a defensive pf. brad is the glue, at this point. just as vlade was. you keep the glue and build around it. peja i don't care about but who do you get for him? dunleavy? i'd do that. dunleavy hustles and wants to learn.
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So because he can't rotate, and is smaller than Miller, Shareef must be a terrible defender. Wow, that really makes sense 
How does Reef have more blocks per game than our defensive stopper Brad Miller? What about Brad's awesome rebounding numbers? How is Miller the glue? To be the "glue" means you hold the team together, is that what Miller is doing right now? Is that why we have such a good record, because Miller is the glue?
How does Reef have more blocks per game than our defensive stopper Brad Miller? What about Brad's awesome rebounding numbers? How is Miller the glue? To be the "glue" means you hold the team together, is that what Miller is doing right now? Is that why we have such a good record, because Miller is the glue?Brad is not only worse offensively but defensively as well (as hard as it is to imagine) from previous years. His assists are inflated because no other big man on our team has the skills or experience to run the sets like he can.
Reef having more blocks than Miller isn't very impressive. But, yeah, he's a better defender than Brad... as is almost every other starting big man in the league. But then of that same group, how many are better defenders than Reef? A lot. The margin between Miller and Reef isn't wide enough to warrant keeping Reef, imo. I don't care who gets traded between them but realistically, Reef is just much easier to move.
Reef having more blocks than Miller isn't very impressive. But, yeah, he's a better defender than Brad... as is almost every other starting big man in the league. But then of that same group, how many are better defenders than Reef? A lot. The margin between Miller and Reef isn't wide enough to warrant keeping Reef, imo. I don't care who gets traded between them but realistically, Reef is just much easier to move.
You know who I think should’ve went....no one.
I think Petrie was way too eager to completely screw up the team. 2 years ago, we still had SOME potential, now we have none. Even if we were down from our near championship, at least we were still competing for a division title.
The truth is...we have NO bench. What happened? That used to be our strong point...Jackson, Turkgolu, House, Songaila, even Barnes. All of them had great potential, and their gone. Now we have a few good guys, Thomas and Skinner, but they’re barely played. And Martin and Garcia don’t compare to the players we used to have.
I can’t believe how these players can be passed around like chess pieces. I still haven’t gotten over my team separating. The Kings aren’t the same, they aren’t fun anymore. I’d have to be dead to miss a game before....now, the game is on at this second, and I’m not even watching it. This team used to be my life, and I still love them and watch them when I feel like it, but they’ll never be the same.
But you know what....I hope they do trade Bibby/Miller, since their the ONLY players on this team that I really care about anymore. Then I can start over, root for a new team, and hope that I can experience the excitement and hope that I experienced from 2002-2004. Even the fans have changed. Where has all the support gone? I think Sacramento is slowly turning into another Philly...when will the boos start?
I think Petrie was way too eager to completely screw up the team. 2 years ago, we still had SOME potential, now we have none. Even if we were down from our near championship, at least we were still competing for a division title.
The truth is...we have NO bench. What happened? That used to be our strong point...Jackson, Turkgolu, House, Songaila, even Barnes. All of them had great potential, and their gone. Now we have a few good guys, Thomas and Skinner, but they’re barely played. And Martin and Garcia don’t compare to the players we used to have.
I can’t believe how these players can be passed around like chess pieces. I still haven’t gotten over my team separating. The Kings aren’t the same, they aren’t fun anymore. I’d have to be dead to miss a game before....now, the game is on at this second, and I’m not even watching it. This team used to be my life, and I still love them and watch them when I feel like it, but they’ll never be the same.
But you know what....I hope they do trade Bibby/Miller, since their the ONLY players on this team that I really care about anymore. Then I can start over, root for a new team, and hope that I can experience the excitement and hope that I experienced from 2002-2004. Even the fans have changed. Where has all the support gone? I think Sacramento is slowly turning into another Philly...when will the boos start?
I agree, sure some of the players could have went, but we threw away way to many. But there is nothing we can do so i will continue to watch every game, and support them even tho they are down right now, alot of teams go thru this, and im sticking by all of the players no matter how bad they suck, the are kings untill they are not.
