Miller Breakdown
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Andriod_KiNg
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He got blocked various times and when the other team got the rebound , he would foul them for no reason , i mean Brand blocked him twice this one play and Brand gets the board , Miller just pushed him to the ground ... he needs to relax , aslo he was yelling at the refs couple of times cause he thought he got fouled on block shots..
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
It was more than just on blocked shots. Brad was getting pushed, held, hacked, and bumped with no fouls called at all. He finally got fed up. His problem is that he does let his temper take over and then just hacks or pushes the opponent right in front of the ref. Then he wonders why calls are going against him. 
Bballkingsrock
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Also, when one foul doesn't get called he gets anger management. 
Padrino
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i think this is a rather appropriate thread. it kinda targets a common trend for b-52 these days. his "breakdown," so to speak, has been a coupla weeks running. he's playing ok, but he's not playing with the level of focus and confidence that we've seen in the past. i sure hope he gets outta this funk soon. we're gonna need him, head on straight and in the game.
I just rewatched the game, something I generally do if I can because doing the PBP gives me tunnel vision and I don't always see everything.
I owe Brad Miller a bit of an apology. He wasn't just fouled and not getting the calls. He was pushed, shoved, trampled on, dug in the ribs, smacked in the head, etc. and sometimes by more than one Clipper at a time.
He still should not have lost his temper but after watching the game again I at least can begin to understand his frustration. In addition, I have to give him credit. He calmed down, he pulled himself together with the help of comments by his teammates and he made some key plays down the stretch, while still being totally mugged by the Clippers as the officials apparently all suffered from "broken whistle" syndrome.
Right now, however, this puts the Kings in a poor position. Teams know that Miller can be rattled so they'll see just how much they can get away with. And officials, aware that Miller tends to be quick to get frustrated and in their faces, aren't going to give him the calls. IMHO if officials called the games better, we wouldn't be having this problem. But if officials called the games better a lot of teams would be playing differently. Teams like Utah have gotten away with stuff for years...it's not going to change to suit our center so, for better or worse, he's going to have to be the one to change.
I owe Brad Miller a bit of an apology. He wasn't just fouled and not getting the calls. He was pushed, shoved, trampled on, dug in the ribs, smacked in the head, etc. and sometimes by more than one Clipper at a time.
He still should not have lost his temper but after watching the game again I at least can begin to understand his frustration. In addition, I have to give him credit. He calmed down, he pulled himself together with the help of comments by his teammates and he made some key plays down the stretch, while still being totally mugged by the Clippers as the officials apparently all suffered from "broken whistle" syndrome.
Right now, however, this puts the Kings in a poor position. Teams know that Miller can be rattled so they'll see just how much they can get away with. And officials, aware that Miller tends to be quick to get frustrated and in their faces, aren't going to give him the calls. IMHO if officials called the games better, we wouldn't be having this problem. But if officials called the games better a lot of teams would be playing differently. Teams like Utah have gotten away with stuff for years...it's not going to change to suit our center so, for better or worse, he's going to have to be the one to change.
One more thing - in the after-game show, Webber was interviewed. The first question in the locker room was, "How do you think the officiating was tonight?" His reply was, "What? Are you trying to get me fined?"
He then added something about it being very frustrating, especially for Brad who was getting pounded all night...
He then added something about it being very frustrating, especially for Brad who was getting pounded all night...
Well, I think you obviously missed the point.
Webber, with that comment, was making it very clear he thought the officiating was very bad. He was also commiserating with Brad, who seemed to suffer the most. I quoted him as further evidence that Brad did, in fact, have some reason for all the frustration.
Webber, with that comment, was making it very clear he thought the officiating was very bad. He was also commiserating with Brad, who seemed to suffer the most. I quoted him as further evidence that Brad did, in fact, have some reason for all the frustration.
Folsom Al
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Chinks in Our Armor ...
I really wonder how the NBA reviews the officiating. We've already been there, done that, got that t-shirt ... I think I can count on one-hand and one finger the number of times they've announced making bad calls in a game. We all hear that they go over tapes and review "the calls" ... we just never hear about it.
Just doesn't seem right (NBA Overall) ... officials are ignoring/not acknowledging obvious fouls because of the personality of a player.
Regardless of the caliber or NAME of the player ... a foul is a foul is a foul !!!
Hang in there Brad ...
VF21 said:
I really wonder how the NBA reviews the officiating. We've already been there, done that, got that t-shirt ... I think I can count on one-hand and one finger the number of times they've announced making bad calls in a game. We all hear that they go over tapes and review "the calls" ... we just never hear about it.
Just doesn't seem right (NBA Overall) ... officials are ignoring/not acknowledging obvious fouls because of the personality of a player.
Regardless of the caliber or NAME of the player ... a foul is a foul is a foul !!!
Hang in there Brad ...
KP
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Good points Al and VF, My main point is he did not get thrown out of the game, and when things tightend up at the end he did make big plays to help us win(contrary to what others have said). Add that to the fact that he really was getting no calls when he should have. He needs to take it down a notch and stop complaining but I think he will. Even the game last night was an example of that, He lost control but then he shut up and got it together when we needed him.Folsom Al said:
Diabeticwonder
Bench
Plain and simple....he has to stop the complaining. The more he does it the worse treatment he will get from officials and other teams will get in his head more and more.
keflanag
Bench
Diabeticwonder said:
This is so true, but it is also what I hate about the officials in the NBA. If players are complaining too much, T 'em up. But, I hate the fact that referees show favoritism. I is ridiculous that in professional sports, a ref's call can be biased. It shouldn't matter at all what a players reaction is that game or any other game. If it is a foul ... call it. If it's not ... don't. A ref should be able to separate his own emotions from the game.
keflanag said:
I think NBA officiating is by far the poorest in pro sports and the most subject to player favoritism. Shaq has a reputation as unstoppable and is allowed to ram his shoulder into a defender anytime. The Kings have a reputation as being soft, so they get killed when they go to the basket and rarely get the calls.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Brad actually has been this way his whole career, not just this year.
Purple Reign
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Bricklayer says this in his grades versus the Clippers:
Miller ( D- ) -- How about a "D" for dumb? Was tempted to go with the "F" for flipped out or ****ed up, but after he got done totally losing his cool and playing like an idiot he made some nice plays down the stretch, including a big rebound and conversion off a missed FT with about 3 minutes to go. Missed his first few jumpers and then just flat out refused to shoot therafter. Worse yet, totally and selfishly lost his cool in the third quarter. Bitched about every non-call. Quit running down court on defense to instead whine to the refs. Forced up dumb shots, made dumb petulant fouls, and then topped it off by getting a technical right in the middle of a big Clippers run where we were struggling to break their momentum. Enough already Brad. Even while not being dumb tonight was being routinely abused by the Clips big men. Is it just me, or did Brad seem more...manly for us out there last year? Just seems to get outmuscled and outfought in there a lot more than I remembered from last year.
I am a Brad Miller fan, just like I am a fan of every member of this team. But what is up with this guy. One thing I like about Kingsfans.com is that ya'll tell it like it is. I am sick and tired of hearing our commentators make excuses for this behavior. And i hate to say it, but if this was Chris Webber acting like this Grant, G-Man, Jerry, Mike Lamb, etc would be cruicifying Chris. But no not the "B-52 Bomber". "He is just frustrated", "he is emotional". No he is acting like a GD fool, that has gained the reputation around the league and officials as a chronic complainer of calls. Did you see how Elton Brand was laughing at him, after Miller commited the hard foul. Brand knows and so does everybody else that Miller is ripe for the picking.
He has got to check himself. Everybody gets fouled, and everybody complains every now and then. But unlike Vlade Divac, who everybody knows complains but will put a arm around you and love you. Brad looks and acts like he is going to kill somebody. Not only that he lets his anger affect his game in a negative sense. We need Brad Miller to be a rebounding, 15-18 foot jump shooting fool. Not a Get a "T", commit a flagrant foul, always on the bench pouting knucklehead.
Miller ( D- ) -- How about a "D" for dumb? Was tempted to go with the "F" for flipped out or ****ed up, but after he got done totally losing his cool and playing like an idiot he made some nice plays down the stretch, including a big rebound and conversion off a missed FT with about 3 minutes to go. Missed his first few jumpers and then just flat out refused to shoot therafter. Worse yet, totally and selfishly lost his cool in the third quarter. Bitched about every non-call. Quit running down court on defense to instead whine to the refs. Forced up dumb shots, made dumb petulant fouls, and then topped it off by getting a technical right in the middle of a big Clippers run where we were struggling to break their momentum. Enough already Brad. Even while not being dumb tonight was being routinely abused by the Clips big men. Is it just me, or did Brad seem more...manly for us out there last year? Just seems to get outmuscled and outfought in there a lot more than I remembered from last year.
I am a Brad Miller fan, just like I am a fan of every member of this team. But what is up with this guy. One thing I like about Kingsfans.com is that ya'll tell it like it is. I am sick and tired of hearing our commentators make excuses for this behavior. And i hate to say it, but if this was Chris Webber acting like this Grant, G-Man, Jerry, Mike Lamb, etc would be cruicifying Chris. But no not the "B-52 Bomber". "He is just frustrated", "he is emotional". No he is acting like a GD fool, that has gained the reputation around the league and officials as a chronic complainer of calls. Did you see how Elton Brand was laughing at him, after Miller commited the hard foul. Brand knows and so does everybody else that Miller is ripe for the picking.
He has got to check himself. Everybody gets fouled, and everybody complains every now and then. But unlike Vlade Divac, who everybody knows complains but will put a arm around you and love you. Brad looks and acts like he is going to kill somebody. Not only that he lets his anger affect his game in a negative sense. We need Brad Miller to be a rebounding, 15-18 foot jump shooting fool. Not a Get a "T", commit a flagrant foul, always on the bench pouting knucklehead.
iheartBrad
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can we all stop being mean to my Brad now...the horrible game is over..the kings got the win...i really don't think Brad will give that much of a repeat performance in tonights game
though i agree with a lot of things people have said in the various threads
there is really on so much (as a Brad homer) i can take..heh
though i agree with a lot of things people have said in the various threads
there is really on so much (as a Brad homer) i can take..heh
kingsgurl87
Bench
Purple Reign said:
lol.he does have that "I'm gonna kill u look" but for some reason, his pouting and stuff doesn't really bother me....maybe cuz I'm used to it, but it really never has bothered me...
I think Brad often is a victim of referee bias. By that I mean I don't know how many times I've seen him have inside position on someone with a classic box out but because he can't outjump the guy behind him he is victimized by the over the back non-call. And, yesterday, time after time Kayman would just drive right into him from 8-10 ft and they'd call Brad for a block. With his limited jumping ability he's at a real disadvantage if the refs choose not to call the game by the rules. Yes, I agree that his frustration makes it appear as if he's being unreasonable but often a players anger is more cumulative than specific to one particular play, hence the common refrain for refs to "be consistant". I think a more valid criticism we could make of him would be for him to quit turning down shots before his name becomes Brad "shoot the ball" Miller. If he's at the high post and won't shoot no wonder his man can camp under the hoop and we're outnumbered to get the rebound. He needs to be a threat.
As far as Brick's grades, I don't think he's had a chance to watch the game again. Until you do, you tend to think Brad is over-reacting.
Right now Brad is in a very tough spot. He's not getting the calls and he's lost confidence in his jumper. Luckily, he's on team where the coach and his teammates will do what they can to help him get back on track, and not just sit him down and forget about him. We need Brad...
Right now Brad is in a very tough spot. He's not getting the calls and he's lost confidence in his jumper. Luckily, he's on team where the coach and his teammates will do what they can to help him get back on track, and not just sit him down and forget about him. We need Brad...
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
VF21 said:
I might have to watch it again for any bad calls that led to the buildup, but I can say with certainty that on the particular plays where he flipped out he was NOT fouled, or at least certainly not hard enough to flip out over. Its the NBA, there's always a lot of contact. Brad's simply got to learn to deal -- he's like the old sad sack on the pickup courts who calls foul every time down the court to mask his lack of ability. Its not about whether Brad's fouled or not, its about looking for the refs to bail him out whenever he screws up.
All of which would be an annoying attitude, but I'm sorry, not running back on defense, making dumb fouls in the backcourt just because you're mad, getting Ts...that's just not being a good teammate. That's caring about your own frustration more than your team trying to win the game. Or at least that's certainly what we've always said when Sheed used to do it all the time.
Bricklayer said:
While I do not condone his actions in any way, I did see a LOT of times when he was fouled with no calls. Enough where, given his general disposition anyway, it was only a matter of time until he flipped
Regardless of why he's done it, though, he's now in a very ugly position. He's not going to get the calls because he's whined so much about not getting the calls. He's gonna have to perform some major feats of control and suck up some massive abuse, IMHO, before the officials will even think of blowing the whistle.
Stojakovic
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VF21 said:
NBA Referees = CRAP
90% of the refs are over 80, it's not a surprise they don't see half the stuff that goes on in the game.
Besides...I've never understood why some players have to "earn the respect" from refs and all the other BS ... if it's a foul, it's a foul. Simple as that...any ref that makes players "earn their rep" (e.g. rookies don't get any calls, Shaq gets every call possible) should be fired. Refs have a job made up of simple guidelines. You cannot let those guidelines slip by you if you dislike a player or think he's not worthy of calls.
iheartBrad
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^you said it
