Mike Bibby to Miami? This should be the deal if there is one..

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Kings deal:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas

Heat deal:
Jason Williams
Udonis Haslem
Dorell Wright
Michael Doleac

Rockets deal:
Bobby Sura
Aaron Brooks
Justin Reed
2008 1st rounder(lotto protection)

Sacramento receives:
Jason Williams
Dorell Wright
Aaron Brooks
Michael Doleac
Bobby Sura
2008 1st round pick(lotto protection)

Miami receives:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
Justin Reed

Houston receives:
Udonis Haslem

Kings start the rebuild in this deal. Brooks was liked by Petrie at draft time.
Kings essentially get Wright/Brooks/2008 1st from Houston for Bibby which isn't much value for a player of Bibby's caliber but getting the expirings for Kenny's deal puts this over the top and makes this a deal Sacramento bites on.

Heat get a HUGE upgrade at PG and become relevant in the East again. Kenny Thomas may be a downgrade from Udonis, but essentially fills the same role that UD did without a significant dropoff. Reed replaces Wright at SF.

Rockets consolidate their 18 contracts to get closer to the league max. They upgrade their PF position and Haslem is an ideal candidate to play in Adelman's system next to Yao.

Kings waive Sura(has a nice buyout) and Michael Doleac.

Kings new roster:

C: Brad Miller, Spencer Hawes, Daryl Watkins*
PF: SAR, Mikki Moore, Justin Williams
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia, Dorell Wright
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Jason Williams, Aaron Brooks, Mustafa Shakur*

* D-Leaguers
 
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I like that deal alot. But I don't think we'll get a young player back. I'll scream if all we get back is Jwill and Haslem for Bibby. It does nothing for us except add another big man with a big contract, which is why I fear it could happen.
 
most of the rumors i have seen involve us sending either KT or SAR. My thing is I don't want to take back another similar player in Haslem. I guess the contract is a little smaller and he is a little better than KT but, It still does nothing for our young guys playing time. If we aren't going to have a young promising PG in return then why not just keep Bibby. I don't want to trade Bibby JUST to get rid of KT for another contract that is similar.
 
Entity said:
If we aren't going to have a young promising PG in return then why not just keep Bibby. I don't want to trade Bibby JUST to get rid of KT for another contract that is similar.
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I don't think that's the problem. I have no problem not getting back a young PG (next draft is filled with great PG prospects) as long as we get a prospect (Wright, we have to get him if we deal with Miami). If we get rid of KT in a Bibby deal and get back Wright, Williams (ender) and Doleac (ender), I'll be happy. In this case, I'd be able to swallow taking Haslems contract back.
 
Not really news so I'm not gonna start a new thread for it but this is an article in the Miami Herald today.

Sacramento hasn't ruled out trading point guard Mike Bibby, and now views the Heat as a potential partner if it does, an NBA official said. The Heat would give up Jason Williams, but whether Miami would move Udonis Haslem in such a deal is questionable. Bibby, due $13.5 million and $14.5 million the next two seasons, could be packaged with forwards Kenny Thomas or Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/203410.html
 
As far as I'm concern, taking back Dorell Wright is the only attractive option on a trade with the Heat. Everything else that the Heat can offer sucks.

I don't mind taking on Haslem if we move KT to Miami. Haslem has proven he CAN be championship piece, KT is definitely not. And I don't want Shaq to win any more ring.
 
I like that deal actually, probably more than most of the other options that have been thrown out there. I like Brooks and saw a lot of him in college, hes a good little pg. Wright good athlete, JWill and Sura hopefully they see zero playing time and are cut after the year. Plus a first rder and we get rid of KT.
 
The deal could be variated to include the Orl 2008 1st (Which is Orlando's pick by the way). Dorell Wright could stay in Miami for all I care really...and add that pick. Getting two additional picks for Bibby, albeit late ones...may help us move up in the draft with our own pick next year though.
 
Smills91 said:
Kings deal:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
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I quit reading at that point since the rest would just be icing on the cake. If we can get ANY team to take KT in a package deal and get more than nachos and some soggy fries back, I'm gonna be a happy camper.
 
VF21 said:
I quit reading at that point since the rest would just be icing on the cake. If we can get ANY team to take KT in a package deal and get more than nachos and some soggy fries back, I'm gonna be a happy camper.
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The Miami Herald alluded today that the Heat were wary to part with Haselm, but that the Kings may look to package SAR or KT with Bibby...I'm assuming it's KT, whereas I think the Herald has wishful thinking that it'd be SAR.
 
If Miami wants to compete at all in the East now, they have to do something. I think bringing in Mike could be huge for them. Mike and Shaq could be a lethal combination. And they also have to realize if they don't grab him - along with whatever baggage (as in KT) he's carrying - someone else in the East might. If the Heat are serious about going for one more title before Shaq and Riley hang up their shoes, they should be seriously considering anything they can do to facilitate this deal.
 
Smills91 said:
The deal could be variated to include the Orl 2008 1st (Which is Orlando's pick by the way). Dorell Wright could stay in Miami for all I care really...and add that pick. Getting two additional picks for Bibby, albeit late ones...may help us move up in the draft with our own pick next year though.
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If we get late picks, I'd be ok with it as I think Petrie does a nice job on picking guys. The one thing he doesn't do with a pick in the 1st round is completely whiff on it....such as a guy like Randy White (Dallas).
 
if we can trade Bibby and KT for Williams, Haslem, and an ender or two to match up contracts we need to do it. It lets us drop Bibby's contract sooner. Plus, Bibby won't be there to take so many shots, which could be good for some of the youngsters. Also, Haslem is a little cheaper, and a little better than KT with the same contract length

i know Williams is a huge downgrade, but, we shouldn't be trying to do super well. this will allow us to suck a little, while some youngsters develop, resulting in a better draft pick. the ending contracts also give us some cap space eventually

another thing to keep in mind. williams is more of a true PG than Bibby, thus he'll take less shots and pass a little more. this might possibly mean more opportunities for Kevin and Ron. if Ron boosts his scoring average, and does better overall, then his trade value goes up which is definitely a plus. i dont see that happening with Bibby taking a ton of shots and not playing well with Ron
 
vfettke said:
if we can trade Bibby and KT for Williams, Haslem, and an ender or two to match up contracts we need to do it. It lets us drop Bibby's contract sooner. Plus, Bibby won't be there to take so many shots, which could be good for some of the youngsters. Also, Haslem is a little cheaper, and a little better than KT with the same contract length

i know Williams is a huge downgrade, but, we shouldn't be trying to do super well. this will allow us to suck a little, while some youngsters develop, resulting in a better draft pick. the ending contracts also give us some cap space eventually

another thing to keep in mind. williams is more of a true PG than Bibby, thus he'll take less shots and pass a little more. this might possibly mean more opportunities for Kevin and Ron. if Ron boosts his scoring average, and does better overall, then his trade value goes up which is definitely a plus. i dont see that happening with Bibby taking a ton of shots and not playing well with Ron
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I'd peddle Haslem to a third team for any combination of youth/picks/expirings. Haslem does us no good really.

I like the sura/brooks/houston 1st idea a lot for Haslem.
 
Miami is on the way down. Give 'em a couple of years and they'll be way down. So ask for their 2009 #1 pick, unrestricted. It could be a lottery pick.
 
Smills91 said:
I'd peddle Haslem to a third team for any combination of youth/picks/expirings. Haslem does us no good really.

I like the sura/brooks/houston 1st idea a lot for Haslem.
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Haslem does us no good, but he doesn't do us any bad either. like i said, he's a lil cheaper, and a lil better than KT. plus, he's younger and doesn't have the crap attitude. if he's KT's replacement he'll hopefully have a lot of time on the bench, so it essentially removes the KT cancer

although, trading him to Houston might be good. he would work well with Adelman
 
Kingster said:
Miami is on the way down. Give 'em a couple of years and they'll be way down. So ask for their 2009 #1 pick, unrestricted. It could be a lottery pick.
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They have this guy named Dwayne Wade...best 2 guard in the game...their lows won't be that low.
 
KingsFan93 said:
Bibby + SAR for JWill + Haslem + Quinn looks like a good enough trade for both sides....
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Really? Basically that deal trades one bad contrract for another (SAR for Haslem), and Bibby more or less straight across for Dorell Wright.

I mean that is the problem with Miami as a destination. Do they have enough assets? To make it a decent deal for us we pretty much have to get everything they have to offer. Enders, Wright, and a pick if at possible. Attaching a KT or SAR would be nifty, but Miami simply does not have enough assets to do that for us. Our best case swap in a two team deal (just us and Miami) drains them of Doleac, JWill and Wright for Bibby, and then if you are trying to dump KT or SAR on them as well, all they have to send back is similar style junk contracts. Haslem's is a mirror image of KT/SAR's. Walker's is one year shorter, and hence better, but then again its attached to Twoine. Hence the attraction of trying to get a third team involved, but that's always difficult to pull off.
 
KingsFan93 said:
Bibby + SAR for JWill + Haslem + Quinn looks like a good enough trade for both sides....
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:mad:

That's a garbage package.

1) Kenny belongs in ANY deal sending Bibby to Miami
2) Kings receive the Orlando 1st from Miami
3) The rest of the deal should have expirings + UD getting shipped to a 3rd team for a back-up PG and/or pick/expirings.
 
I'll take Wade and the whole package (that includes personality) over Kobe anytime. Wade's intangibles are the difference.
 
wade better than kobe? maybe someday, but not right now. whole package? then you cannot disregard kobe's killer instinct, the instinct that very few basketball players have ever displayed. wade doesnt have it. he might never have it.

wade is great at getting to the line, but so is kobe. wade finds his teammates better, but youd be hardpressed to say that kobe cant do the same. and no one can argue that kobes jumpshot is worlds away from wade. sure, wade in the finals 2 years ago was crazy with his jumpshot/3point shot, but has he shown the consistency for that shot? is there a go to shot when they are collapsing? not yet.

wade > kobe? not right now

and i dont even like kobe.
 
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