Matt Barnes discussion thread...

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http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/13469292p-14310198c.html

The Del Campo High grad wants a job and is working the keypad and the hardwood toward that end.

By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Thursday, August 25, 2005

Some NBA players can job-shop without a résumé. The league's general managers know their names and their games the way they know their own payroll, with no need for sales pitches of "Here's what Ray Allen can do for you ... "

And then there are players like Matt Barnes.

For as much progress as the Del Campo High School product has made in his two seasons, and for as productive as his 43 games as a King were before he was sent to Philadelphia in the Chris Webber trade in February, the free agent still is a commodity in need of not only a job, but an explanation.

So a few weeks back, Barnes' agent, Bill Neff, sent an e-mail to every general manager in the league, hoping to educate the masses as to what his guy could bring to the floor. It was a detailed comparison of Barnes to other youthful forwards, making a convincing argument Barnes could be as valuable as those players who make so much more money.

Rebounds, assists and steals were prorated on a per-48-minutes basis, with Barnes looking every bit as productive as players like Chicago's Luol Deng, Dallas' Josh Howard or Charlotte's Gerald Wallace.

"I think people were real surprised at how high he was in those categories," Neff said. "I wanted people to understand the essence of Matt."

Below the blockbuster deals - i.e. Shaquille O'Neal's $100 million deal or Allen's for $85 million - are the negotiations that involve players still looking to secure their long-term future. Barnes merely is among the masses, with an immediate goal of becoming the next Bobby Simmons. The Milwaukee forward is the new poster boy for untapped potential, someone for young players not named LeBron to emulate.

After a short stint in the National Basketball Development League, Simmons turned in three quiet seasons with Washington and the Los Angeles Clippers, where he and Barnes competed for the same spot. Then came Simmons' breakout season, which led to his signing a five-year, $47 million contract with Milwaukee in early August. Barnes can relate only to the tougher part of the journey, having played in the American Basketball Association and NBDL out of UCLA before signing with the Clippers in 2003.

"You look at (Simmons), and say 'My God, the guy got an opportunity for one year, and he gets $47 million,' " Neff said. "You just roll your eyes, and say, 'OK, how can I get my guy into a position to do the same?' "

The league's new amnesty rule has done little to speed up the free-agent process. Eighteen players were waived as part of the cost-cutting measure, which allows teams a one-time chance to take a player's contract off the books for luxury-tax purposes while still paying his salary. This has flooded the free-agent pool, forcing teams to wade through amnestied types such as Michael Finley and Aaron McKie before turning to Plan B players such as Barnes.

With Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie making it clear he plans to limit the roster to 13 players and with only one spot remaining, the pending departure of guard Maurice Evans to Detroit only helps Barnes' case, as would the exodus of restricted free-agent forward Darius Songaila.

San Antonio is Barnes' priority this week, though, as his campaign trail has taken him to Texas for a Spurs workout since Monday. Neff said the Spurs and Kings remain atop the list of interest. Neff said he hasn't heard from Petrie lately, which isn't necessarily a bad indication. Asked recently about Barnes, Petrie said simply, "We'll have to wait and see how things play out."

"I don't think the Kings have backed off," Neff said. "Geoff's never been a guy that leaps at things. I know how Geoff operates. I think Matt (would be) a late addition to their lineup."

An addition who says he can knock down open jumpers as never before. The latest lesson for Barnes has been the unavoidable reality of the NBA: Scoring rules all. For all the defense, rebounding and intangibles he brings, Barnes' shooting (41.1 percent for the Kings) long has been the weak spot that made general managers nervous. So while Barnes sat fully healthy on the 76ers' injured list last season, he worked with Webber's shooting coach, Buzz Braman, removing a hitch in his shot that had been there since childhood. Since returning to Sacramento in the offseason, he has been working daily with another specialist, Guss Armstead, at BasketballTown in Rancho Cordova as well.

"I've worked for hours and hours and hours," Barnes said. "I've been shooting wrong for 23 years, so it's basically like learning how to walk again. But I've got it down now. I'm coming into my own.

"I bring a lot of intensity, versatility, rebounding, defense," Barnes continued. "It's not so much who will give me the most money, just the best opportunity. I feel like I'm a year or two away from making something happen and being set for life financially."

Let the selling continue.

I really hope to see Matt back!!!
 
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While its a minor move, I really would consider it silly by Geoff NOT to just resign this guy. He wants to play here, we know his game, he was useful to us only a few months ago, he plays a position of some minor need, has good size and athleticism, is young, and he will play cheap. Why would you NOT want to fill out your roster with a cheap player who knows the system, provides a change of pace from th starter, and has already proven he could fit in? Hope its not that jumper fetish again.
 
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Good luck, Matt. You deserve the chance. Personally, I hope it is with the Kings.
 
Jerryaki said:
dammit, why'd they have to send an email to every GM?! just Petrie!!

Because Geoff could have signed him at any point in the last 6 weeks, but has chosen not too. So they are fishing for a deal elsewhere. Certainly don't blame the Barnes camp.
 
Bricklayer said:
Because Geoff could have signed him at any point in the last 6 weeks, but has chosen not too. So they are fishing for a deal elsewhere. Certainly don't blame the Barnes camp.

i know. call it selfish of me to only want barnes here in sactown; i'm a fan of his attitude. calling other GMs' attention to his abilities is good for barnes of course...but i just want him here in sacto as a sleeper.
 
but if he were to split back-up SF duties with bonzi, then it'll provide more flexibility to deal corliss for picks or something that we could use in the future.
 
Jerryaki said:
but if he were to split back-up SF duties with bonzi, then it'll provide more flexibility to deal corliss for picks or something that we could use in the future.

You've made the comment before that you think Bonzi is going to perform back-up duties at the 3.

That is NOT going to happen, IMHO.

Bonzi is our starting 2. As such, he's going to log a lot of minutes at that position. If he comes out, it won't be to fill in behind Peja. We have Corliss who can play that position, and - if he's still here - I think we'll see KT log some minutes at the SF. I don't think we'll see Bonzi Wells at the small forward in anything other than isolated cases. That's just not how Adelman uses his rosters.

If we do sign Barnes, it will be because he is a good player at the price to have on the bench. I don't think Bonzi's PT will enter the equation to make the decision.
 
piksi said:
there is no PT for Barnes. I am not sure that it is the opportunity he "lives"for

Why? We only have one bench SF, who, is a question mark to be a King next season. I personally see Corliss gone.
 
Jerryaki said:
but if he were to split back-up SF duties with bonzi, then it'll provide more flexibility to deal corliss for picks or something that we could use in the future.

generally, when You deal someone - You have to have a team that is interested in getting that player. If anyone wanted Corliss - he would have been long gone.
 
VF21 said:
You've made the comment before that you think Bonzi is going to perform back-up duties at the 3.

That is NOT going to happen, IMHO.

Bonzi is our starting 2. As such, he's going to log a lot of minutes at that position. If he comes out, it won't be to fill in behind Peja. We have Corliss who can play that position, and - if he's still here - I think we'll see KT log some minutes at the SF. I don't think we'll see Bonzi Wells at the small forward in anything other than isolated cases. That's just not how Adelman uses his rosters.

If we do sign Barnes, it will be because he is a good player at the price to have on the bench. I don't think Bonzi's PT will enter the equation to make the decision.

I disagree slightly. Yeah, Bonzi isn't going to "back up" in the traditional sense, but he's probably going to see some time at SF. If Adelman is using a 7 or 8 man rotation, Martin will probably sub in for Bonzi, play the two, and then Bonzi will sub in for Peja and play the 3 while Martin is still on the floor.
 
I can understand why he wants to play with the Kings and Spurs, but I don't understand why they aren't shopping him better to New Orleans or Atlanta or other lottery teams. At least on those squads he would have a better chance at getting playing time and possibly getting his big break. If he came to Sac he would be playing third string garbage minutes and praying for a job again next summer. I wouldn't complain if the Kings grabbed him to fill a roster spot at his minimum, but his return to the team will make no impact.
 
piksi said:
generally, when You deal someone - You have to have a team that is interested in getting that player. If anyone wanted Corliss - he would have been long gone.

Uh, there's still two months plus left in the off-season...

Washu1000 said:
I can understand why he wants to play with the Kings and Spurs, but I don't understand why they aren't shopping him better to New Orleans or Atlanta or other lottery teams. At least on those squads he would have a better chance at getting playing time and possibly getting his big break. If he came to Sac he would be playing third string garbage minutes and praying for a job again next summer. I wouldn't complain if the Kings grabbed him to fill a roster spot at his minimum, but his return to the team will make no impact.

Corliss is quite doubtful to be a King (I'm not against him staying here), and Barnes has a very good possibility of coming here. Meaning he'd back-up Peja. He proved himself in that role last season, in his starts, and as a whole.
 
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VF21 said:
You've made the comment before that you think Bonzi is going to perform back-up duties at the 3.

That is NOT going to happen, IMHO.

Bonzi is our starting 2. As such, he's going to log a lot of minutes at that position. If he comes out, it won't be to fill in behind Peja. We have Corliss who can play that position, and - if he's still here - I think we'll see KT log some minutes at the SF. I don't think we'll see Bonzi Wells at the small forward in anything other than isolated cases. That's just not how Adelman uses his rosters.

If we do sign Barnes, it will be because he is a good player at the price to have on the bench. I don't think Bonzi's PT will enter the equation to make the decision.

i think it's a possibility. there were times in the old squad when adelman would put mike and bobby in the back court and have doug switch to play the 3; i see it as a possibility that bonzi might do something similar. it would certainly solve any "i don't get enough playing time" problems.

and while i like corliss' blue collar attitude and abilities, i'd rather see HIM in the isolated situations and have a more traditional SF to back-up peja, like matt.
 
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I think Matt Barnes could easily develop into a significant player for the Sacramento Kings. Desire, loyalty, and drive are very important assets. He appears to have them, and he is young enough to expect improvement with time and minutes.

Come on Petrie. Bring him back.
 
Kings113 said:
Corliss is quite doubtful to be a King (I'm not against him staying here), and Barnes has a very good possibility of coming here. Meaning he'd back-up Peja. He proved himself in that role last season, in his starts, and as a whole.

I can't think of many decent back-up SF or banger big men we could get for him. If it wouldn't fill one of those needs, I would rather we just keep Corliss. He's not the best and is overpaid, but I think he is a solid roleplayer to come off the bench. Now if they trade him for expiring contracts, that's a different story. I like Barnes, I think he would be good to have around, but I am definitely not convinced he is what the team needs to back up Peja.
 
nbrans said:
I disagree slightly. Yeah, Bonzi isn't going to "back up" in the traditional sense, but he's probably going to see some time at SF. If Adelman is using a 7 or 8 man rotation, Martin will probably sub in for Bonzi, play the two, and then Bonzi will sub in for Peja and play the 3 while Martin is still on the floor.

Bonzi's as much of a SF as he is a SG. He'll see the SF a lot when Peja's off the floor. That is if he fits the team concept.
 
Washu1000 said:
I can't think of many decent back-up SF or banger big men we could get for him. If it wouldn't fill one of those needs, I would rather we just keep Corliss. He's not the best and is overpaid, but I think he is a solid roleplayer to come off the bench. Now if they trade him for expiring contracts, that's a different story. I like Barnes, I think he would be good to have around, but I am definitely not convinced he is what the team needs to back up Peja.

I never said Corliss to be traded alone. It would fill one of those needs because those are our current needs.

You weren't impressed with Matt's play last season? Barnes wouldn't be my first choice for a back-up SF, but he's up there in the top 3-4. Corliss would be lower, but I'd be pretty good with him behind Peja.
 
mazzystar said:
"I bring a lot of intensity, versatility, rebounding, defense," Barnes continued. "It's not so much who will give me the most money, just the best opportunity. I feel like I'm a year or two away from making something happen and being set for life financially."


I really hope Matt makes that last spot too- he deserves it.. but what makes me confused is this last part he said.. If he wants the "BEST OPPORTUNITY," then why only have interest in mainly 2 teams? (1, with a long bench, already- but its understandable b/c its his hometown; and 2) last year's NBA champions, who probably won't have enough minutes for him to showcase himself)

Just a thought- from a "showcasing" point of view- if i were him- i would really look for a "taking" team that still has the possibility of distributing minutes..... just a thought..
 
i think the kings will try to bring barnes back, unless ronnie price knocks the kings socks off in training camp... and ronnie price's contract is probably not guarenteed... therefore, if price does not make the kings, they will have only 12 players under contract, and the league requires 13 players... the kings need a swingman at SF/SG, in case the kids (Martin and Garcia) are not ready to play... barnes would fit that role, defensive, hustle guy off the bench, swingman... i would love to see matt back in sac!!!
 
I'd like to see Barnes come back for many of the reasons given (works cheap, loves the team, youg hustles) but lets be honest will he see floor time behind Corless and the posibleSF time that some see Bonzi getting and others see Kenny getting?probably not, BUT if a trade moving either or both Corless and Kenny works out then having the kid stashed on the roster will be nice insurance.
 
Is everyone still forgetting we are ALREADY OVER THE CAP? Exactly how can we get this guy cheap enough (with the luxury tax) for the Maloofs to bite, with GP already saying they are not looking to add any more players? This is the same reason we're losing Mo, in case you forgot. I'm not missing something here, am I?

That being said, I'd like to see him here, but I doubt it will happen.
 
Kings113 said:
Uh, there's still two months plus left in the off-season...



Corliss is quite doubtful to be a King (I'm not against him staying here), and Barnes has a very good possibility of coming here. Meaning he'd back-up Peja. He proved himself in that role last season, in his starts, and as a whole.
Thats just your opinion based pretty much on nothing. If Corliss was to be shipped he would have gone by now, same goes for Thomas.

From everything we are hearing out of the Kings camp lately, its pretty much that they are happy with the roster we have and there won't be any more big moves.

I fully expect Thomas, Williamson and Skinner at the training camp. As things stand right now, we have one of the deepes (if not the deepest) benches in the whole league. If any of these players gets traded it going to be at the trade deadline. Not before.
 
Warhawk said:
Is everyone still forgetting we are ALREADY OVER THE CAP? Exactly how can we get this guy cheap enough (with the luxury tax) for the Maloofs to bite, with GP already saying they are not looking to add any more players? This is the same reason we're losing Mo, in case you forgot. I'm not missing something here, am I?

That being said, I'd like to see him here, but I doubt it will happen.

Well, we only have 12 undr contract, need to have 13. So there is one more slot we HAVE to fill. Might as well be Matt.

Now that said, we'd be just stupid to enter next season with a team this bereft of true big men. Sampson has been cut by three different teams, including an expansion team last year. Given how injury prone both Brad and Brian are, is Sampson actualy capable of being a major player forn us during stretches? Or are we counting on Corliss as a backup center again? :rolleyes:
 
I really do not understand why you guys dont like corliss???? Doesnt make any sense...He is a solid defender...Great inside post player...rebounds...Hustles..averages 10ppg...3rpg...and 1apg...In 19 mins off the bench...Thats very solid for a back! I would love to see corliss stay...Would mind seeing Kenny Thomas traded though.....
 
KingsChamps06 said:
I really do not understand why you guys dont like corliss???? Doesnt make any sense...He is a solid defender...Great inside post player...rebounds...Hustles..averages 10ppg...3rpg...and 1apg...In 19 mins off the bench...Thats very solid for a back! I would love to see corliss stay...Would mind seeing Kenny Thomas traded though.....

Hes not a good defender, and of course hes gong to get 10 ppg when he takes a shot everytime he gets the ball, we need defence athleticism and rebounding, Barnes is the better player.
Now Thomas is someone you would keep for the bench, hes smart and rebounds, something Corliss is not and cannot do!
We could prolly get a pick or something for Corliss. I dunno he just dosen't fit this teams style of play or what we need for a backup..
 
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