Chubbs
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I'm thinking winning isn't the goal until 2016. We've got a couple to go.
This winning stuff threw them all for a loop.
Malone fired
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This winning stuff threw them all for a loop.
The Hammer
All-Star
Resists!??! Who then is pushing it?
Hopefully this is some pathetic attempt to make Mullin appear desired as a head coach.
They don't think we're all this dumb do they?
ninjabiscuit
Bench
Now that's a splashy move.
p.s. I'm in the George Karl camp with a lot of other people. There's no one else that seems to make sense. After that, I go VDN>Mullins>Jackson. And since I haven't chimed in before now, the fact that we let Malone go completely blows my mind.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Why would winning ever be the goal? This doesn't make sense. Well, actually it makes sense but not in any way I like.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Chubbs
Starter
Williams dunks good?
I'm like 99% sold that they forced Williams onto the court over Casspi. Cause, dunking. I'm serious about that. People want to call Malone a bad coach for playing Williams, but I think the source of that is much higher in the organization.
You have to throw out everything you know about basketball to make sense of what they're doing right now.
I don't know who made the call on Ray/Sessions. But I'm sure there were fights about that too.
We'll see if Casspi plays now. I think not that much. He might be dumped quickly to stop whatever controversy is brewing over playing time.
These guys are convinced their way is the only way.
I can understand that. Personally, if I got so fed up as to move off the Kings bandwagon I think I'd just stop following the NBA altogether. After following this team for 30 years, from the time I was 7 years old and so excited that we'd get our own team I'm not even sure what level of frustration it would take for me to get to that point. The Memphis game was heartbreaking. The Laker game was infuriating. The Rockets game was like a slow motion car crash. After each one I said maybe I needed to skip a few games since I was getting overly stressed out over something that should bring me joy and relaxation from the real stresses of life. But each time I fired up the next game like Charlie Brown with the football. I'm used to it. I'm a Kings fan. Through and through. On to the next game.
But this whole debacle feels different. Sure, we've seen firings and hirings and interim coaches more than pretty much any other franchise. I've seen lost season after lost season and kept cheering for the Kings. We caught lighting in a bottle for a few short years and beyond that we've been a laughingstock every other season. But maybe it was the anger over the Maloof's scheming to sneak the team to Anaheim under the cover of darkness and the gut wrenching Seattle saga that just took something out of me. Part of it is definitely seeing the first real star since Webber emerge in Boogie. I can't shrug off the ineptitude and the terrible decisions like I used to. I think it's because my emotional investment in this team is probably TOO high right now.
I can respect someone that says they are a Kings fan no matter what. I really can. Probably because this is the first time I can remember when I realize that's not the case for me anymore. Sure, I want wins but I can still root for the lovable loser. What I can't root for is obviously bad decisions and terrible management and ownership. And from my vantage point that's what I'm seeing right now. All the good will of the Kings surprising hot start erased by PDA saying that Malone was going to get canned no matter what because it's all about the style of play they want. As always, I want to be proved wrong. Because I love this team. But no longer unconditionally.
I'll watch tonight's game. I could say it's out of morbid curiosity or because Peja is being honored but the truth is that I'll watch it because I'm a Kings fan and that's what I do. At least for now.
The Hammer
All-Star
You know the funny/sad/crazy part in all this?
Malone idealized Pop and they have a very close relationship. Malone modeled his coaching after Pop. In my opinion, Malone would have carried on that lineage. We essentially had Pop's protege.
Malone idealized Pop and they have a very close relationship. Malone modeled his coaching after Pop. In my opinion, Malone would have carried on that lineage. We essentially had Pop's protege.
Chubbs
Starter
It's Vivek.
Now why he didn't ask his good buddy BEFORE firing the coach, I can't answer. Some egg on his face now.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I'm beginning to wonder if Vivek is catering to the India market, attempting to drum up a style which will be attractive to a somewhat untouched NBA market which doesn't have the acumen/history to understand what wins and what doesn't win this league.
He seems to be playing to a lower common denominator, but one which has vast potential internationally and tens of millions of potential fans. I'm increasingly getting the impression his philosophy/marketing is not aimed at our market but rather capitalizing on a larger, untouched market overseas.
Is it far-fetched to consider this up and down, "exciting" brand he wants is to make as big an impact as possible in his home land? I mean, he seems completely out of touch with this market.
He seems to be playing to a lower common denominator, but one which has vast potential internationally and tens of millions of potential fans. I'm increasingly getting the impression his philosophy/marketing is not aimed at our market but rather capitalizing on a larger, untouched market overseas.
Is it far-fetched to consider this up and down, "exciting" brand he wants is to make as big an impact as possible in his home land? I mean, he seems completely out of touch with this market.
Chubbs
Starter
Dime Dropper
All-Star
If Jackson becomes coach of the Kings I will genuinely stop watching for this very reason. If you want to believe all that stuff, fine, but don't stuff it down the fans throats, or the players. I couldn't bare to watch that preachy BS at every opportunity.
Believe me, I know. Had the FO had the balls to swallow their pride and admit his way was working, they probably would have had a coach for a very long time. He was still in the process of learning, and it's fair to assume that he was only getting better.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Apparently we just lost Jent as well. Predictable, but all of a sudden that bench looks awfully shallow if Corbin takes over. I guess maybe when you have meddling middle school coaches and Nellieballers stopping on by to tell you their latest stupid idea you don't need as many real coaches.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Insert usual agreeing noises.
This DOES feel different. It's very bothersome. It has passed through my mind if I could follow another team. That doesn't mean I would give up on the Kings 'cause I can't but the Kings may very well be a worse joke than ever. We'll see. I could follow GS.
You must be the same age as my son.
Section 101
All-Star
Old news. He was gone yesterday.
We've seen the team try to run and pass more often. I felt they were trying that at the start of the season, but it lead to turnovers due to players have poor spacing and not the greatest passing skills. Malone saw this and tried to limit tunrovers in any way he could. They still turn it over a ton though, and it gets back to spacing. In other words, NO SHOOTERS.
Pop grinded it out when that was his personnel. After seeing the Kings, Mavs and Suns, he changed styles over time. However, he only changed once he got the players to change. When he got Manu and Parker in the same year, he got the speed, ballhandling, shooting and passing he needed. I don't doubt Malone would do the same if the personnel actually fit.
The problem is the personnel guy doesn't understand the right personnel is needed to run.
Pop grinded it out when that was his personnel. After seeing the Kings, Mavs and Suns, he changed styles over time. However, he only changed once he got the players to change. When he got Manu and Parker in the same year, he got the speed, ballhandling, shooting and passing he needed. I don't doubt Malone would do the same if the personnel actually fit.
The problem is the personnel guy doesn't understand the right personnel is needed to run.
I think Malone needed an offensive guru. He needed a guy with a proven track record that could help install a motion offense. Honestly I've wondered a few times if Adelman would have been willing to sign on in an advisory role - in effect doing for Malone what Coachie did for him.
Instead Malone was forced to hire Corbin (who I like) as a "strong assistant" who in reality was the backup plan all along.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Arrogance. There is a personality disorder that might describe him but clearly, Vivek does not seem to even consider that he might be wrong.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Its got that old black magic feel of the Maloofian moves a decade ago to drum Webb and Adelman out of town.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
The big move would be if Corbin walked. He seems too passive for that. Maybe I misreading him.
lawlman91
Starter
Not to mention the Duncan/DeMarcus parallel relationship going on. Could have been the next Spurs, given that Malone and DeMarcus stayed together for 10+ years.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
rapidly losing hope in the front office and ownership. And honestly i'm kind of becoming embarrassed
I've been wondering how much of a factor this is. If you're banking on squeezing out one last lotto pick and making a jump to playoff contention next year, firing your coach 24 games into the season and going with a lame duck replacement is a tried and true method of generating losses. The Maloofs milked that particular cow more than once.
I sincerely hope that's not the case though, because a GM who'll throw away a chance at the playoffs and all the goodwill that generates for a lotto ticket and blind hope is a GM that's in the wrong business as far as I'm concerned.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I don't think I complained about Malone in the game threads because I thought he still had to learn. If you hire Malone, you expect a few flubs here and there. Clearly he had problems but were they fixable. Unfortunately that was nothing vivek wanted. Oh, hell I don't know.
Chubbs
Starter
I feel now is the appropriate point to mention they brought in Shaq of all people.
PDA can say whatever he wants about knowing what the fans want, but if you think we wanted Shaq, you're a delusional man indeed.
Talk about respect for the past, then bring in Shaquille O'Neal. I mean, talk about clueless.
Was Robert Horry not available? They're treating us like we are country bumpkins.
PDA can say whatever he wants about knowing what the fans want, but if you think we wanted Shaq, you're a delusional man indeed.
Talk about respect for the past, then bring in Shaquille O'Neal. I mean, talk about clueless.
Was Robert Horry not available? They're treating us like we are country bumpkins.
Chubbs
Starter
I just get the feeling the "win/losses" line was just a set up to fire malone after what they assumed would be a brutal start.
Then they could fire him and go into "development" mode.
It wasn't working out cause Malone stubbornly won games, but Boogie's illness gave them the opening. Now it's watch the season fall apart time. I'm wondering if that was the plan all along.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Especially when you are a disingenuous scumbag. I wonder if god told him to send those d*ck pics to that stripper while he was married
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Don't get me going. The lost potential here is almost numbing. Almost. Unfortunately for our front office I do anger better than numb.
:: points accusingly ::
I didn't get a 'harumph' out of that guy...
