Malone fired
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Malone went to Spain to spend time with both of them. Probably after Gentry told him about potential coup, so not having the support of FO, he realized the only way to keep his job was getting support of the players.
Twitter heads were printing every stupid tidbit, including a lot of spin generalizations like "style, not wins", "philosophical differences", but failed to mention such a good reason to justify the firing. Really?!
Amick was really distanced from Kings after previous FO went away. For him to have knowledge, that no one else has, that also helps GM, guess where it came from?
Twitter heads were printing every stupid tidbit, including a lot of spin generalizations like "style, not wins", "philosophical differences", but failed to mention such a good reason to justify the firing. Really?!
Amick was really distanced from Kings after previous FO went away. For him to have knowledge, that no one else has, that also helps GM, guess where it came from?
Maybe they want to turn him into a second AD? A guy running the floor, scoring out of putbacks and pick&rolls. USA basketball used Cousins in this way.
There is a trend in the NBA right now and our management seems eager to follow it. In order to achieves this we need to cut down his minutes to maybe 25 per game, but hey - we will be "exciting" to watch for these 25 minutes, since running is just a mindset.
There is a trend in the NBA right now and our management seems eager to follow it. In order to achieves this we need to cut down his minutes to maybe 25 per game, but hey - we will be "exciting" to watch for these 25 minutes, since running is just a mindset.
Had something that was working with Malone or at least trending that way, whether you like Malone or not, but then blowing it up after 24 games and hiring Mullin, who has not been a head coach and quite frankly, it's questionable if he knows his talent.....this could end badly.
I'll never forget the way they did Malone, lost my trust, but hiring Karl who fits what they want to do would be the best they could do at this point. Hiring Mullin would make zero sense...just zero.
And Vivek, if you and your cronies would just open your eyes, you got rid of a good young coach. If you would have realized that and surrounded him with defenders or his type of guys, I think we had something working here for the first time in a decade or more. I would have been on board with a Memphis type team if it wins....Detroit Pistons Bad Boys that Malone watched as a youngster.
All that said, I hope the FO and ownership succeeds in their plan. I don't care if they crawl up the floor on their hands and knees and they win, get us a winning product. And that 4 on 5 BS has been tried more or less with Paul Westheads failed experiment. That actually is not fun to watch. You take all strategy out of the game and its just guys chucking up the ball in a pickup game. Who wants to spend their hard earned money on a product that bastardized the game.?
I'll never forget the way they did Malone, lost my trust, but hiring Karl who fits what they want to do would be the best they could do at this point. Hiring Mullin would make zero sense...just zero.
And Vivek, if you and your cronies would just open your eyes, you got rid of a good young coach. If you would have realized that and surrounded him with defenders or his type of guys, I think we had something working here for the first time in a decade or more. I would have been on board with a Memphis type team if it wins....Detroit Pistons Bad Boys that Malone watched as a youngster.
All that said, I hope the FO and ownership succeeds in their plan. I don't care if they crawl up the floor on their hands and knees and they win, get us a winning product. And that 4 on 5 BS has been tried more or less with Paul Westheads failed experiment. That actually is not fun to watch. You take all strategy out of the game and its just guys chucking up the ball in a pickup game. Who wants to spend their hard earned money on a product that bastardized the game.?
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 23m23 minutes ago
Yahoo Sources: Kings owner seriously considering Chris Mullin as coaching candidate. http://yhoo.it/1GLCAAS
Said incredibly sarcastically.
Yahoo Sources: Kings owner seriously considering Chris Mullin as coaching candidate. http://yhoo.it/1GLCAAS
Said incredibly sarcastically.
My 2-Cents:
The vision for Vivek and Co. is to build the next-generation, internationally-branded 'NBA-3.0' team.
Sacramento, is the capital of CA and the "Center of West-Coast Style", and the idea is to create a brand of
run-and-gun that 1B+ Indians and other developing nations will find an identity with as the
'American Way'. This will consist of alleyoops, treys, dunks, fast-breaks, Bollywood, and Shanghai/Beijing.
With this 'style', the goal is to achieve of a valuation of the Sacramento-Kings on a global-scale,
similar to internationally-recognized soccer teams (Real-Madrid and Barcelone worth > $3.2B-USD).
Coach Malone, molded out of grit, toughness, and grind-it-out style, would never fit this next-level
business valuation -- regardless of wins/losses, or playoff success. Even if Coach Malone were to
achieve success, his team's focus on defense (not offense) prevents viral uptake by the global population
who are eager to absorb anything vintage 'American'.
This fundamental difference in style (grind-out vs. run-and-gun) -- and its affect on global marketability --
is the key tipping point, and is their rationale for firing Coach Malone now. How it will shake out is anyone's
guess, including the FO. There's a lot of money being wagered on these bets (Kings purchase price, new Arena,
no revenue sharing), so their belief is the timing is critical and perhaps cannot wait till the end-of-season.
The vision for Vivek and Co. is to build the next-generation, internationally-branded 'NBA-3.0' team.
Sacramento, is the capital of CA and the "Center of West-Coast Style", and the idea is to create a brand of
run-and-gun that 1B+ Indians and other developing nations will find an identity with as the
'American Way'. This will consist of alleyoops, treys, dunks, fast-breaks, Bollywood, and Shanghai/Beijing.
With this 'style', the goal is to achieve of a valuation of the Sacramento-Kings on a global-scale,
similar to internationally-recognized soccer teams (Real-Madrid and Barcelone worth > $3.2B-USD).
Coach Malone, molded out of grit, toughness, and grind-it-out style, would never fit this next-level
business valuation -- regardless of wins/losses, or playoff success. Even if Coach Malone were to
achieve success, his team's focus on defense (not offense) prevents viral uptake by the global population
who are eager to absorb anything vintage 'American'.
This fundamental difference in style (grind-out vs. run-and-gun) -- and its affect on global marketability --
is the key tipping point, and is their rationale for firing Coach Malone now. How it will shake out is anyone's
guess, including the FO. There's a lot of money being wagered on these bets (Kings purchase price, new Arena,
no revenue sharing), so their belief is the timing is critical and perhaps cannot wait till the end-of-season.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 23m23 minutes ago
Yahoo Sources: Kings owner seriously considering Chris Mullin as coaching candidate. http://yhoo.it/1GLCAAS
Said incredibly sarcastically.
Yahoo Sources: Kings owner seriously considering Chris Mullin as coaching candidate. http://yhoo.it/1GLCAAS
Said incredibly sarcastically.
*i'm being sarcastic*
Amick dropped that bomb on us last night, and that is really the key to everything here.
If Malone didn’t believe in extending Cousins, or extending Rudy Gay. (I can see why someone would disagree with trading for Gay, but not extending him after we saw him for more than half of last season?) That shows poor judgment on Malone’s part.
I also always had a thought that Carl Landry was a Malone signing. It happened shortly after Pete D was introduced. Landry was a Vivek/Malone/Warriors guy, etc. They could be blaming him for campaigning for Landry, but that is just an observation on my part.
The thing is, that stuff about Rudy and DeMarcus just doesn’t add up. I think Sam Amick is really good. It’s amazing that he’s still the best Kings insider out there considering he hasn’t covered the team in years and the organization is completely different than it was when he was here. I am not suggesting that Amick made it up, but his source could be lying.
This is the most frustrating part of the Vivek / PDA era. They are so fake to the media. I think people are starting to see through their act. So. Many. Buzzwords. Constantly bringing up the Kings glory days to appease the fans. It’s nauseating. So, yea, It’s hard to look at something so out of the blue like Malone not endorsing Gay or Cousins and not call bullcrap on it. It could easily be the Kings FO spin.
However, this is so damming to Malone and his relationship to Gay, Cousins, and their agents that if it isn’t true, Malone has every right to say so. To a media outlet, or in an interview himself. He won’t want that hanging over his head for long, if it isn’t true. We’ll see.
If Malone didn’t believe in extending Cousins, or extending Rudy Gay. (I can see why someone would disagree with trading for Gay, but not extending him after we saw him for more than half of last season?) That shows poor judgment on Malone’s part.
I also always had a thought that Carl Landry was a Malone signing. It happened shortly after Pete D was introduced. Landry was a Vivek/Malone/Warriors guy, etc. They could be blaming him for campaigning for Landry, but that is just an observation on my part.
The thing is, that stuff about Rudy and DeMarcus just doesn’t add up. I think Sam Amick is really good. It’s amazing that he’s still the best Kings insider out there considering he hasn’t covered the team in years and the organization is completely different than it was when he was here. I am not suggesting that Amick made it up, but his source could be lying.
This is the most frustrating part of the Vivek / PDA era. They are so fake to the media. I think people are starting to see through their act. So. Many. Buzzwords. Constantly bringing up the Kings glory days to appease the fans. It’s nauseating. So, yea, It’s hard to look at something so out of the blue like Malone not endorsing Gay or Cousins and not call bullcrap on it. It could easily be the Kings FO spin.
However, this is so damming to Malone and his relationship to Gay, Cousins, and their agents that if it isn’t true, Malone has every right to say so. To a media outlet, or in an interview himself. He won’t want that hanging over his head for long, if it isn’t true. We’ll see.
That's just the gerbil spinning things, planting lies. Maybe even an attempt to turn Boogie/Rudy against the coach.
PDA will take credit for everything that works (like the boogie signing) while acting like that was a tough decision, or even that he made it (it was Vivek, it's always Vivek ).
That Amick story sure feels like our GM spinning things. I'd like to hear it from Malone. Just to plant that information is shady. Malone being wary of either signing isn't that crazy. It depends when that was the case. He's cautious, not impulsive, unlike everyone else in the organization.
As for liking IT, I bet he did want him as the backup. I mean Christ, Ray and Ramon are awful, that's what the FO gave him. You don't think he'd love to have a guy like IT coming off the bench?
You guys hated Malone? Just wait for the Chris Mullin era. Sometimes after a big splash, all that happens is that which created the splash sinks rapidly.
The level of idiocy that goes into thinking Kerr=Mullin or that this team is suited to up tempo basketball is stunning.
I don't think the front office ever seriously was considering the playoffs this year. They certainly are not now. Expect the young guys to play heavily sink or swim.
PDA will take credit for everything that works (like the boogie signing) while acting like that was a tough decision, or even that he made it (it was Vivek, it's always Vivek ).
That Amick story sure feels like our GM spinning things. I'd like to hear it from Malone. Just to plant that information is shady. Malone being wary of either signing isn't that crazy. It depends when that was the case. He's cautious, not impulsive, unlike everyone else in the organization.
As for liking IT, I bet he did want him as the backup. I mean Christ, Ray and Ramon are awful, that's what the FO gave him. You don't think he'd love to have a guy like IT coming off the bench?
You guys hated Malone? Just wait for the Chris Mullin era. Sometimes after a big splash, all that happens is that which created the splash sinks rapidly.
The level of idiocy that goes into thinking Kerr=Mullin or that this team is suited to up tempo basketball is stunning.
I don't think the front office ever seriously was considering the playoffs this year. They certainly are not now. Expect the young guys to play heavily sink or swim.
Oh, and I'd take 'Mully' over Ty Corbin.
We are already taking 'coaching ability' out of the equation. Obviously. We fired Malone for 'style'.
Let Mully run whatever fercockta system Vivek and PDA want. Let it fail or succeed, but at least we aren't sitting here wasting time with Corbin. He's not the long-term answer, period.
We are already taking 'coaching ability' out of the equation. Obviously. We fired Malone for 'style'.
Let Mully run whatever fercockta system Vivek and PDA want. Let it fail or succeed, but at least we aren't sitting here wasting time with Corbin. He's not the long-term answer, period.
I don't for one second believe Malone didn't want to extend Cuz or Gay...not 1 second. Our ownership group and GM are all about spin control and deflection and then taking credit for what works. Look at all the sound bites.... Sacramento this is your team..... Style of play...... NBA 3.0....
Style over substance
Malone is substance over style and smarter than these guys when it comes to hoops.
Style over substance
Malone is substance over style and smarter than these guys when it comes to hoops.
Patrick chiang, you nailed it.
Recapping, Vivek and crew are running the team like a corporation where the goal is making money, not winning. Selling tickets. Selling excitement. Defense wins but it doesn't sell tickets. They don't seem too concerned with winning except to provide an excuse to fire malone to get this NBA 3.0 business underway. And it's very much a business.
As fans, we focus on rotations, whether the team wins or loses as the basis to fire a coach. That was not the case here. No one could seriously think 11-13 with Boogie missing 8-9 games is a failure. The progress the FO was looking for had nothing to do with the record. They said as much.
Which should scare everyone. If Mullin is announced as coach in the near future, except the experiments to start in earnest. Mullin, unlike malone, will not be judged on wins and losses.
Agreeing with Tetsujin, the circus is indeed coming to town.
Recapping, Vivek and crew are running the team like a corporation where the goal is making money, not winning. Selling tickets. Selling excitement. Defense wins but it doesn't sell tickets. They don't seem too concerned with winning except to provide an excuse to fire malone to get this NBA 3.0 business underway. And it's very much a business.
As fans, we focus on rotations, whether the team wins or loses as the basis to fire a coach. That was not the case here. No one could seriously think 11-13 with Boogie missing 8-9 games is a failure. The progress the FO was looking for had nothing to do with the record. They said as much.
Which should scare everyone. If Mullin is announced as coach in the near future, except the experiments to start in earnest. Mullin, unlike malone, will not be judged on wins and losses.
Agreeing with Tetsujin, the circus is indeed coming to town.
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 23m23 minutes ago
Yahoo Sources: Kings owner seriously considering Chris Mullin as coaching candidate. http://yhoo.it/1GLCAAS
Said incredibly sarcastically.
Yahoo Sources: Kings owner seriously considering Chris Mullin as coaching candidate. http://yhoo.it/1GLCAAS
Said incredibly sarcastically.
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needs a little work, but I'm sure there is a hit in there somewhere.
I mean, that would just take the cake. Fire a highly regarded young coach midseason, while technically still chasing the playoffs, fire an NBA coaching lifer, and replace him completely randomly with a guy with no NBA coaching experience at all so far as I know, taking over right in the middle of things. I actually kind of want it to happen, because then our childlike owner will be deprived of the poison whispered in his ear, and can start throwing temper tantrums at Mullin instead. By the time Mullin gets himself fired, the owner will never want to talk to him again, and we will have purged the Nellieball taint the hard way.
Ok, so let me for a moment do what I kinda do for a living, which is bail out rich idiots who have gotten themselves into trouble. Here's how you do the Mullin thing, if you are actually giving any thought to making it work: you make Mullin = Larry Bird. Which means Mullin isn't your coach, he's your figurehead. Your coach would be Tyrone Corbin, who it becomes imperative to retain. Mullin just walks up and down the sidelines, tells old stories, and spouts vague basketball proverbs. Occasionally you let him doodle something on the whiteboard, and then just run your offense as normal anyway. You would say Mullin can try to bring the lockerroom together, except the locker room was together very nicely under Malone, so he doesn't even have to do anything there except stay out of the way and not pee anybody off. Then if we do well, in a couple of years Corbin can go off and take over his own team somewhere else, and Mullin can bump upstairs and take PDA's job, which sorry Petey, is what he has wanted anyway. If you had been smart when you saw Malone starting to win you would have attached yourself at his hip, schmoozed Cuz, and tried to make yourself part of a package deal and hence invulnerable to machinations.
sound like the goofs when they had someone in their ear saying defense wins championships then muss blew them away with an incredible powerpoint presentation. muss had bibby trying to full court press lmfao. ultimate fail when you can't recognize what your personnel can or cannot do well.
the main piece of this team is a pound it out get the other bigs in foul trouble player. if all their front court is in foul trouble it means he can do whatever the hell he wants. who are they going to put on him? their small forwards? shooting guards?
hopefully this will result in another high lotto pick. i'm already looking at the draft sites again.
screw the nba 3.0, position-less, 4 on 5, cherry picking, run n gun crap.
the main piece of this team is a pound it out get the other bigs in foul trouble player. if all their front court is in foul trouble it means he can do whatever the hell he wants. who are they going to put on him? their small forwards? shooting guards?
hopefully this will result in another high lotto pick. i'm already looking at the draft sites again.
screw the nba 3.0, position-less, 4 on 5, cherry picking, run n gun crap.