Loren Woods

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A reader emailed today to say he saw Loren Woods at Sacramento International Airport over the weekend. This Loren Woods. The former heir apparent to Tim Duncan at Wake Forest, former stud center at Arizona, and former back-up in Minnesota, Miami, and Toronto.
Woods might be headed to Sacramento. Not too many 7'2 free agent centers hang out in the River City unless they're talking turkey. NY, LA, Dallas, Miami - I wouldn't think anything of any NBA player showing up there. But Sacramento? And everyone in the free world knows Geoff Petrie is looking for a legitimate back-up to Brad Miller. Woods is one of the cheaper young options out there. With solid per-minute numbers, it's hard to understand why Toronto chained LW to the bench last season. But then again, it was hard to understand anything Toronto did the last few years, until Bryan Colangelo arrived. In 27 games, Woods had a rebound rate over 20 last season - one of the better marks in the league. And he's over 2 blocks per 40 minutes for his career. Who knows if Petrie is going to sign Woods. But it's definitely something to think about.
 
Obviously we didn't want Pollard, but we could be interested in one of Denver's bigs, Ely, Wilcox, Woods.......

I could see us S&T bonzi 3-way with denver and seattle to get wilcox out of the deal ( 3 yrs. 20 million) which would mean we might have to give up AN expendable piece ie. hart, 2nd rounder, Flaco.

Seattle getting one of Denver's bigs, Denver getting help at the only position they need help: the 2 guard (Bonzi) and we get Wilcox....then sign Woods to a minimum or LLE.

Bonzi's gone anyways might as well go over threshold if we get Wilcox, and bargain big. Petrie quit poking around fix our big situation!
 
There's no doubt about Woods' talent, but he's one of the preeminent head cases in the NBA. Not the volatile fiery competitive Artest-type head case who can get it done on the court, it's more of a "who knows where his head will be on any given day" type of head case. Maybe he's finally gotten his head on straight but I wouldn't get too excited.
 
nbrans said:
There's no doubt about Woods' talent, but he's one of the preeminent head cases in the NBA. Not the volatile fiery competitive Artest-type head case who can get it done on the court, it's more of a "who knows where his head will be on any given day" type of head case. Maybe he's finally gotten his head on straight but I wouldn't get too excited.
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Maybe Mussellman can help him get focused.
 
A couple of years back I remember him having a good start to the season for Toronto, but this obviously falls squarely in the unexciting category of moves if it happens. None of the teams he has played on has ever had a competent center, and he still hasn't been able to earn PT. Right style of player, but likely destined for 12th manhood.
 
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A couple of years back I remember him having a good start to the season for Toronto, but this obviously falls squarely in the unexciting category of moves if it happens. None of the teams he has played on has ever had a competent center, and he still hasn't been able to earn PT. Right style of player, but likely destined for 12th manhood.
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That's fine with me if he is 12th man, we need size on our roster and if we can sign a 7' 2" guy who has NBA experienca and can sign him cheap, then why not? Since Vlade, we haven't had a decent center, Brad isn't a center since he plays away from the hoop. He's a SF or guard or something, I don't know, but not a stay around the basket and get the rebound center, we all know that.


Loren Woods
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Loren Woods (born 21 June 1978, in St. Louis, Missouri) is a professional basketball player in the NBA. After playing college basketball at the University of Arizona, he was selected by the Minnesota Timberwolves in the second round of the 2001 NBA Draft.

Woods had been viewed as a lock to be a first round selection by many NBA draft analysts. At 7'1, 245 lbs, he had what many scouts considered to be NBA size for the center position, as well as quality athleticism. Some journalists speculated that his slip was an intentional gift by other GMs to help the Timberwolves after several first round draft picks were taken from them by the NBA as a result of the Joe Smith trade scandal.

Others, however, believed that the slip was no accident but rather the result of general managers being wary of Woods' perceived reputation as having a volatile personality. During the summer games following his selection, he fought with fellow 2001 draft pick Brendan Haywood, leading some to claim validation of the latter theory.

Since his selection, Woods has played for the Timberwolves, the Miami Heat and the Toronto Raptors, where he appeared in 45 games during the 2004-2005 season and posted a career best 3.9 points per game. In the 2005-2006 season, he is facing stiff competition for the center position with Antonio Davis, Pape Sow and Rafael Araujo. Woods is known for his volatile temper which was highlighted in a March 23rd game at Boston in which he hurled the ball in the air at quick speeds. He is currently an unrestricted free agent.
 
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OK, OK, here is we we have gotten on Friday 11 Aug:

Woods a tall big with head case questions, probably under the MLE.

Ely, a decent journeyman big with ok numbers to backup Brad.

Wilox, young, agressive (most of the time), defender but then why would Sonics let him go?

Jeff Foster, who i'd take in a NY minute

Scot Pollard, who wants to come back, has been injured but you get 100% every minute he is out there. That alone accounts for something.

Musselman will have them run and gun and defend like mad men. So who can give Kings 12-18 min/g, "quality" minutes? and cost MLE or less? and who would be part of a S&T for Bonzi?

My prefs:
1. Foster
2. Ely
3. Wilcox (he wants to start)
4. Woods or Pollard
 
I think Kelvin Cato and Olowokandi deserve mention... they're both decent defensive big men who would help the interior defense. They can be had for the LLE.

How it goes for me..

1. Foster
2. Wilcox
3. Cato
4. Olowokandi
5. Woods (thin, but long and athletic and tall)
6. Ely
7. Pollard

JonthanG said:
Heard a rumor from a good source that Loren Woods signed a one year deal with the Kings for above the minimum.
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http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=533950&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=228

I'd be alright getting woods. He's thin, but everything else is there to be something decent at least.

Obviously getting Woods doesn't mean we still can't trade for a big as well.

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Seattle getting one of Denver's bigs, Denver getting help at the only position they need help: the 2 guard (Bonzi) and we get Wilcox....then sign Woods to a minimum or LLE.
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That'd be good for us.
 
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Woods may look thin at first glance, but he's 260 lbs.--solid on a 7'2" frame, and both are considered NBA quality. He's simply an underachiever--he couldn't thrive at Wake Forest playing next to Tim Duncan and had to transfer to Arizona, where he impressed--but he hasn't made much of an impact in the NBA. He's definitely got some shotblocking skills and actually a solid jumpshot for a big man standards, but he simply doesn't translate them to success on the court--barely makes a dent even if he gets little playing time. He started with Toronto many games last year but hasn't played over 16 minutes a game or over 60 games his entire career; probably really a benchwarmer and borderline NBA-talent, but he could out of the league once teams start getting impatient with him.
 
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With solid per-minute numbers, it's hard to understand why Toronto chained LW to the bench last season.
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He sucks, thats why. The Raptors desperately needed a Center last year and they had Loren Woods on their roster but barely used him, which IMO, says a lot.

Per- minute stats is 100% complete rubbish. I understand the logic of saying that if a guy for example, averages 4 points a game with 8 minutes of PT, imagine what he would do with 25-35 mins of PT. My biggest problem with that logic is that it doesn't take into consideration why that player didnt get that increase in playing time in the first place. If he would be that good, he wouldnt be on the bench so much, which is his problem. Think about it, a coach doesnt bench a player that he thinks will contribute for his basketball team.

Bottom line, there are reasons why Loren Woods played so little in his entire NBA career so far. And what's even more scary, is that a team with a serious lack of a center such as the Raptors, gave up on him. He wasnt good enough to be the 2nd or 3rd string center for the Raptors. So what makes you guys think he could get the job done as Miller's backup in Sac?
 
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I'd take numbers similar to these from Woods...

2004-05, 45 games: 3.9 PPG, 0.87 BPG, 4.9 RPG, 15.8 MPG

Arby's Roast Beef said:
I think it's a matter of confidence--consistency--and work ethic. I don't think he has any of the three.
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Confidence? Artest, Musselman, and the Arco crowd would help him out. He'd get minutes with regularity in Sac. Can't know until he's actually in the situation, but I think the aforementioned would be a good help.
 
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Kings113 said:
I'd take numbers similar to these from Woods...

2004-05, 45 games: 3.9 PPG, 0.87 BPG, 4.9 RPG, 15.8 MPG

Confidence? Artest, Musselman, and the Arco crowd would help him out. He'd get minutes with regularity in Sac. Can't know until he's actually in the situation, but I think the aforementioned would be a good help.
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I know where you're coming from, but if you scale Jamal Sampson's minutes to 16 minutes per game, I think he would put up equivalent, if not better, stats. Woods is actually somewhat of a lost cause--been there, done that. Minnesota experimented, Miami experimented, and now Toronto has experimented. He's put up GREAT flashes (this season, had 12 points and 14 rebounds--10 of them offensive--in 24 minutes against Indiana, 5 blocks in 16 minutes against Dallas) but the rest of his other games are marred with inconsequential stat lines and little on-court effectiveness. He's got the tools, but he's never been able to put it all together consistently and effectively. He also seems to have some injury problems, missing a lot of games throughout his career. Honestly, I'd take a younger prospect, such as Jamal Sampson and Justin Williams, over a lost cause in Woods.
 
Arby's Roast Beef said:
I know where you're coming from, but if you scale Jamal Sampson's minutes to 16 minutes per game, I think he would put up equivalent, if not better, stats. Woods is actually somewhat of a lost cause--been there, done that. Minnesota experimented, Miami experimented, and now Toronto has experimented. He's put up GREAT flashes (this season, had 12 points and 14 rebounds--10 of them offensive--in 24 minutes against Indiana, 5 blocks in 16 minutes against Dallas) but the rest of his other games are marred with inconsequential stat lines and little on-court effectiveness. He's got the tools, but he's never been able to put it all together consistently and effectively. He also seems to have some injury problems, missing a lot of games throughout his career. Honestly, I'd take a younger prospect, such as Jamal Sampson and Justin Williams, over a lost cause in Woods.
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Well, that's a different topic. I'd take Justin Williams or Sampson over Woods as well. Sampson did put up decent numbers in Charlotte in 23 games, and I was a defender of his while he was with the Kings. Obviously nothing happened with him with us because of Adelman. Not sure Williams would be the back-up center though, probably needs to put on some more mass to his upper body, which his frame suggests he can. Overall when he makes the team, likely a third big man, or a third center if we sign someone for guaranteed money.

On Woods alone though? We'll agree to disagree.
 
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lol this is the only board i constantly see this agree to disagree stuff

btw, I'm good with getting this guy
 
Kings113 said:
Well, that's a different topic. I'd take Justin Williams or Sampson over Woods as well. Sampson did put up decent numbers in Charlotte in 23 games, and I was a defender of his while he was with the Kings. Obviously nothing happened with him with us because of Adelman. Not sure Williams would be the back-up center though, probably needs to put on some more mass to his upper body, which his frame suggests he can. Overall when he makes the team, likely a third big man, or a third center if we sign someone for guaranteed money.

On Woods alone though? We'll agree to disagree.
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If the Kings signed Woods, it could rule out any chance for Williams. The Kings have sixteen known to be signed right now, thirteen are guarenteed money contracts. The other three are Amundson, Williams and Jeter. Unless the Kings can do a two for one trade or unload a player for a draft pick, two of those three would have to go.

The Kings appear to be very high on Amundson and Williams seem to have a lot of potential. Personally I would rather go with potential than lose that for a "twelth man" rental.
 
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If the Kings signed Woods, it could rule out any chance for Williams. The Kings have sixteen known to be signed right now, thirteen are guarenteed money contracts. The other three are Amundson, Williams and Jeter. Unless the Kings can do a two for one trade or unload a player for a draft pick, two of those three would have to go.



The Kings appear to be very high on Amundson and Williams seem to have a lot of potential. Personally I would rather go with potential than lose that for a "twelth man" rental.
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Well, as I said, I would take Williams over Woods as well.

But on Williams alone it's uncertain what position or spot in the rotation Williams will be at. Will he be a third PF? back-up center? third center? third PF/C? That doesn't rule out the oppurtunity for Williams to make the team or play if Woods is signed. Potapenko is irrelevant in the way of being dealt or demoted, and would think he isn't gonna be our back-up center. I think one of the expiring players we have will be dealt.

In relation to that, Williams is 6'9" 225-230 lbs (last we know), and would probably need to add some mass to his frame to be the back-up center. We don't know what he's doing this off-season, but I'd assume he'll have some added mass to his upper body.

Depends on the situation and who knows what happens with the roster, but I'm not so sure Amundson and/or Williams will be anything more than third big men. Williams has the best chance to be a back-up at center.

I understand the Kings like Williams and Amundson. Amundson's not a center, btw, he's a tweener foward.

On Woods alone, I still would be fine with him for us.
 
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Well, as I said, I would take Williams over Woods as well.

But on Williams alone it's uncertain what position or spot in the rotation Williams will be at. Will he be a third PF? back-up center? third center? third PF/C? That doesn't rule out the oppurtunity for Williams to make the team or play if Woods is signed. Potapenko is irrelevant in the way of being dealt or demoted, and would think he isn't gonna be our back-up center. I think one of the expiring players we have will be dealt.

In relation to that, Williams is 6'9" 225-230 lbs (last we know), and would probably need to add some mass to his frame to be the back-up center. We don't know what he's doing this off-season, but I'd assume he'll have some added mass to his upper body.

Depends on the situation and who knows what happens with the roster, but I'm not so sure Amundson and/or Williams will be anything more than third big men. Williams has the best chance to be a back-up at center.

I understand the Kings like Williams and Amundson. Amundson's not a center, btw, he's a tweener foward.

On Woods alone, I still would be fine with him for us.
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It isn't the position they play, it is the total number of players allowed that is the issue. If there is two for one trade or a player exchanged for a draft pick, no problem. Otherwise, I would rather have the potential in the youngsters rather than the "known" quantity that hasn't been that great.
 
whozit said:
It isn't the position they play, it is the total number of players allowed that is the issue. If there is two for one trade or a player exchanged for a draft pick, no problem. Otherwise, I would rather have the potential in the youngsters rather than the "known" quantity that hasn't been that great.
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Well, that's why I talked about the roster situation and the expiring players, then the whole positional and rotation stuff comes into play with Williams (and to a lesser degree Amundson). It's just uncertain right now because the off-season isn't over and were not in October yet.

Once again, I would rather have Williams over Woods too. I just talked about Woods alone from Williams/Amundson, and in getting Woods. Obviously some kind of room would be made to get the guys the coach wants (out of the expiring group and the camp guys, an FA big) situated on the roster. That's why I think one of the expiring players will be gone this off-season.

Potapenko/Corliss/Hart likely aren't going to be even semi-regular fixtures. Hart if he stays, maybe. The other two? Who knows. All three of their status' are very uncertain in general.

Certain to stay:
Bibby
Martin
Artest
KT
Miller
Douby
Price
Salmons
Garcia
SAR
edit: Loren Woods

and obviously if a candiate to get traded out of there does get traded, someone will be brought back to replace that player.


On the outside looking in:
Potapenko
Hart
Corliss
Williams
Amundson
Jeter

At least 2-3 guys out of that group will be on a roster of 14-15 players. Obviously Williams/Amundson are favored. I still ultimately see them being third bigs though.
 
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I think Woods is interesting. I am a UA fan and he was a stud there. He wasn't a stud at Wake and he has been a dud in the NBA, but maybe its just a matter of finding the right home and system where he feels comfortable. Or maybe he'll never get off the bench.

If we're signing him for the minimum or LLE what's to lose?
 
His rebounds averaged on 48 min/g is 13.3 and 40% are Offensive!! but his FT% has continually dropped the past 4 years. Correctable tho.

Comparing how he was used in Toronto has no bearing on his game under Musselman. Petrie has never picked up a bum or a bust. And Wood is only coming of age now. So lets see. He'll have lots of competition as he is now the 17th contract.
 
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