Last One: Players we could get in a trade straight up for Miller.

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I was able to put all NBA players and there salaries in a database an these are the names that are within 10% of Miller's salary.
Note: Some players are retired or on the Kings.

Theo Ratliff
Steve Nash
Carlos Boozer
Maurice Taylor
(Derek Anderson)
Austin Croshere
Jason Richardson
Brad Miller
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
PJ Brown
Kelvin Cato
Rashard Lewis
Erick Dampier
Tyson Chandler
Tony Parker
Jerry Stackhouse
(Vin Baker)
Marcus Camby
Bobby Simmons
Andre Miller
Richard Hamilton
 
Theo Ratliff
Jason Richardson
PJ Brown
Kelvin Cato (in-form)
Tyson Chandler
Marcus Camby
Richard Hamilton

I'd take any of them.
 
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Zydrunas Ilgauskas -- he is slower than Brad
PJ Brown-- too old

Kelvin Cato provides something different from Brad but I am not sure that he is a definite upgrade over Brad when you take everything into account.

These two aren't good enough to overcome the penalty of trading big for small.

Bobby Simmons ---
Richard Hamilton ---
 
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i'd take camby honestly. anything to have some kind of semblance of interior defense. so sick of anyone and everyone driving to the hole the past decade.
 
Dont forget, Brad is on of our most consistent shooter so far and is probably one of the best passing centers out there too.
 
kingsfan916 said:
Brad is a great player. We should trade Corliss and Kt for PJ as someone already mentioned
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And why exactly would that be acceptable to anyone not wearing a Kings logo?

It's easy to make trades in fantasy leagues and video games. Unfortunately, it's a little harder to come up with VIABLE alternatives in real life.
 
First off Brad could easily be moved, but in the end, no matter what, we will probably be getting the short end of the stick. I think Brad is more a PF than a C to be quite honest.

A team that would love to have Brad would be Washington. Eddie is trying to really incorporate that Princeton offense and who better then Brad to help. Paired up with Haywood that could be an effective combo. The only question is who do we get?
 
SacTownKid said:
First off Brad could easily be moved, but in the end, no matter what, we will probably be getting the short end of the stick. I think Brad is more a PF than a C to be quite honest.

A team that would love to have Brad would be Washington. Eddie is trying to really incorporate that Princeton offense and who better then Brad to help. Paired up with Haywood that could be an effective combo. The only question is who do we get?
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Off the Wizards? Nobody worth it.

The thing with Brad is: I think defensively, and more recently on the glass, he is one of the real core problems we have. Our center, our lone 7 footer and biggest man ont he court, not only does nto anchor the defense but is a sieve who might as well be 6'3" for all hsi defensive impact. BUT, there are only a handful of guys around the league you could trade Brad fro wihtout it effectively being the end of the Princeton offense in Sacto. And who knows, maybe its time, but trading him for jsut anybody has consequences.

ANYBODY can run the Princeton, but very FEW big men can actually run ti well enough to be a winning strategy.
 
For some reason I see Brad as the last one out of the big 3 to go. And I feel that if any of the three are traded, it will be in some sort of package. Not that I don't appreciate you making these lists Camino, but I think they're somewhat misguided, although helpful.

As for the Wiz, I wouldn't want anyone except Arenas. And that's unlikely...
 
Bricklayer said:
Off the Wizards? Nobody worth it.

The thing with Brad is: I think defensively, and more recently on the glass, he is one of the real core problems we have. Our center, our lone 7 footer and biggest man ont he court, not only does nto anchor the defense but is a sieve who might as well be 6'3" for all hsi defensive impact. BUT, there are only a handful of guys around the league you could trade Brad fro wihtout it effectively being the end of the Princeton offense in Sacto. And who knows, maybe its time, but trading him for jsut anybody has consequences.

ANYBODY can run the Princeton, but very FEW big men can actually run ti well enough to be a winning strategy.
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Agreed. Which I why I said in my post below that he'll likely be the one to go. Again, what I think we need is a defensive stopper, athletic PF/C paired next to Brad. Remember how good he was next to Jermaine? Then we could shift SAR to the 3, and have a killer front line. Which is why I advocated for the Peja/Bibby for KG swap; or, more realistically.... I'll work on that.

For now, check out 82games.com defensive analysis. http://82games.com/rosenbaum3.htm Here's some guys that could be had for much less than Brad that are statistically stong defenders. As for whether they are in real life, well, who knows. The list:

Ben Wallace (unattainable)
Mutombo (old)
Ratliff (expensive, but I think would be worth a KT/Corliss swap)
Jason Collins (worth looking into, I think, but who would the Nets want?)
Jeff Foster (another one worth looking into)
Haywood (likely hard to get unless we trade Brad)
Dampier (bleh)
Przybilla (may be hard to get from Port)
Cato (?)
Rasho (easily attainable, if rumor is true)
 
SacTownKid said:
I don't know, one person I wouldn't mind off of Washington would be Etan Thomas. That guy is a beast on D.
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Yeah, I like Etan a lot too. But not for Brad. And anyway, like I say, if Brad goes and there is no KG coming back (there are a few other bigs as well that are maybes), that's the last of our top passing big men and an end to the system. Now get me Etan for Kenny and we can talk turkey. ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
Yeah, I like Etan a lot too. But not for Brad. And anyway, like I say, if Brad goes and there is no KG coming back (there are a few other bigs as well that are maybes), that's the last of our top passing big men and an end to the system. Now get me Etan for Kenny and we can talk turkey. ;)
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Sure, if you can get that, by all means do it. But I think the frontcourt defensive woes go beyond that, and will not be rectified unless we get a major minute defender. Now whether that's a 3rd big man in the Pollard mold or a defenive PF while trading Peja and shifting SAR to SF, we'll see...
 
Holy crap, looking more at this 82-games list, it's not hard to see mathematical proof of why we're stinking it up. I mean, come on Petrie, sign me on to be your Moneyball-esque intern and I'll look these things up for you like DePodesta did for Billy Beane. It's not hard. It's plain to see that Peja and SAR are at the bottom. Now, of course these stats aren't the end all be all (I'm sure having Duncan and Bowen alongside makes Ginobili and Horry look better) but it does make you go hmmm...
 
u know if brad or any of the guys start winning games these threads go away and everyone is great again, people need patience...everyone should have known that this is gonna take time, and not just 5 games. The players need time to adjust to eachother and they need the fans support.
 
LPKingsFan said:
Sure, if you can get that, by all means do it. But I think the frontcourt defensive woes go beyond that, and will not be rectified unless we get a major minute defender. Now whether that's a 3rd big man in the Pollard mold or a defenive PF while trading Peja and shifting SAR to SF, we'll see...
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Thats what my way of thinking is too. But, realistically the only way that happens is if a new starter is inserted. Brad playing 40 minutes and Shareef playing 38 minutes doesn't leave much time for a defensive stopper, I mean we have a better defender in Skinner already and he hardly sees any time.

Shifting Shareef to SF is a bad idea. There is no way he can defend the SF's of the league, no way.
 
Perhaps, but I think if Adelman had a Jason Collins or a Jeff Foster he would use him. Also, regarding SAR as SF, a lot depends on the matchups.
 
SacTownKid said:
Thats what my way of thinking is too. But, realistically the only way that happens is if a new starter is inserted. Brad playing 40 minutes and Shareef playing 38 minutes doesn't leave much time for a defensive stopper, I mean we have a better defender in Skinner already and he hardly sees any time.
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Nail on the head there. Been bothering me ever since we picked up SAR. Just no real hope without a major trade.

Don't disagree with the thinking that a trade might be the only answer, just would be careful, and of course want my cake and to eat it too.
 
kingsfan52miller said:
u know if brad or any of the guys start winning games these threads go away and everyone is great again, people need patience...everyone should have known that this is gonna take time, and not just 5 games. The players need time to adjust to eachother and they need the fans support.
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You're right, and I hope they do start winning. And I think they will; things will get sorted out, we may reach 50 wins, and we'll go down in the first, or if we get lucky, second round of the playoffs. That's great. But it's not greatness. This team is too flawed for greatness. Right now what we're experiencing is temporary, but what we'll see in the playoffs is permanent.
 
kingsfan52miller said:
Like i said in another thread....why is everyone giving up so soon its 5 games. its going to take time. i just dont understand
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Do you see how bad this team is? I have been around for the REAL bad Kings, and this team is playing like the teams of the past. The only upside is that we DO have the talent, but the downside is the team lacks an identity. If we play this way all year we will be in the lottery.

Keys to success are;

1. Get the ball to SAR at the elbow. Allow him to play the "Webber game" as well as he can. Make him watch tapes of Webber day and night. Call the guy Chris Webber. Make him so sick of hearing it that he gives in and starts playing Webbers game. SAR has the ability to pass, shoot, and take it down low. He shoudl be the focal point of the offense.

2. Bibby needs to be the Bibby of 3 years ago. Make him bring the ball up, and right away pass it to SAR. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Get it to SAR at the elbow, and do what you gotta do to get open.

3. Miller has the ability to play like Vlade. He has the passing ability, and he can rebound. Make him watch tapes on Vlade day in and day out.

4. Peja needs to stay outside, occasionally slashing to the basket. An open Peja is a good Peja.

5. Bonzi needs to just play D, and rebound. That's it. If he does not want to do it than bench him. Let K-Mart play D and rebound. Im sure he would love to start.

6. ADLEMAN NEEDS TO SHOW THE GUYS HOW TO DO IT! That's all Adleman has to do. COACH them! The main peopel off the bench should be Skinner, Thomas, Williamson, Martin, and Hart. Let them get into a grove, and don't sub them out if they are playing well.
 
Gary said:
Keys to success are;

1. Get the ball to SAR at the elbow. Allow him to play the "Webber game" as well as he can. Make him watch tapes of Webber day and night. Call the guy Chris Webber. Make him so sick of hearing it that he gives in and starts playing Webbers game. SAR has the ability to pass, shoot, and take it down low. He shoudl be the focal point of the offense.

3. Miller has the ability to play like Vlade. He has the passing ability, and he can rebound. Make him watch tapes on Vlade day in and day out.
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I like what you have to say, but I'd switch these two. Miller filled in fine for Webb (other than defensively) in 03-04 at the elbow, passing and hitting jumpers. SAR should post and pass, making him more of the Vlade role, no?
 
Gary said:
6. ADLEMAN NEEDS TO SHOW THE GUYS HOW TO DO IT! That's all Adleman has to do. COACH them! The main peopel off the bench should be Skinner, Thomas, Williamson, Martin, and Hart. Let them get into a grove, and don't sub them out if they are playing well.
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Do you honestly think Rick Adelman has just been sitting by idly, not carrying if the players do what they're supposed to do? Elston Turner has said REPEATEDLY that the players just aren't focusing during the game on what they've worked on in practice. Rick Adelman has been seen screaming - yes, screaming - at the players. What he has right now is not yet a team; it's a bunch of strangers who just happened to be walking down the street together when this truck drove by and a box of uniforms just happened to fall off in front of them...

When you have guys like Bibby and Miller, who are used to playing one way, and guys like SAR and Bonzi, who are entirely different kinds of players, and Peja, who seems to fluctuate constantly, things are gonna take a bit to get going. Adelman can't just draw up a play, show it to them once and have it work. Those kinds of things take TIME and FOCUS.

With the upcoming home stand, I think we'll get a good idea of just what Adelman is going to be able to do - and what just simply isn't going to work.

Venting aside, we need to be fair about this and actually give Adelman a decent shot at pulling this group of strangers together into a cohesive unit.
 
From these threads the team can trade:
Thomas for Jason Terry
Bibby for Brand or Gasol
Brad for Chandler
Peja for Ginobili or Maggette or Hamilton

Starting 5:
Terry
Ginobili or Maggette or Hamilton
Wells or Rahim
Brand or Gasol
Chandler

Coach:
Paul Silas or Jeff Bzdelik

I'm not serious, most likely some recieving teams wouldn't want to do the trade
 
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