Knicks-Bulls (Antonio Davis)

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I nowhere implied you by we. I guess I should have named everybody by their names to avoid being so broad...

I would have settled for one name; my response wasn't worded that way to suggest that I believed you were generalizing, or even singling me out. It was worded that way to express my opinion that no one in this thread has made such a statement. I don't believe one person in this thread has made Chandra Davis out to be some kind of angel, and so I challenged your "we" comment.

 

[jacobdrj]

Family is unimportant. Nobody should have a family. Family is for the weak and helpless. People with families should be done away with. It's all about the job.

Blood may be thicker than water, but Latinum (read: "gold" in this case) is even thicker than blood.

 

[VF21]

Just for the record: There is a specific area where team family members sit. The public might not know, and it's not marked "TEAM FAMILY" or anything, but SECURITY does know about it and, from what I've been told, they keep a pretty close eye on the situations.

This sure sounds like something initiated by Davis' wife more than anything else.

 

[Jkbiker]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5260132

this storys says fan was not drunk
and the wife got in his face


"Michael Axelrod, the 22-year-old fan that Davis confronted, said he did nothing wrong - and he plans to sue the player and his wife. Axelrod said Kendra Davis tried to scratch him after he protested a call. He said he never laid a hand on her and he was not drunk, as the New York forward contended. "It's a lie," Axelrod said.


But Axelrod said all he had to drink was a glass of wine at dinner. "When I go to games, I cheer as hard as I can for the Bulls, and I boo as hard as I can for whoever they're playing," Axelrod said. "I don't feel comfortable if players are allowed to easily jump into the crowd whenever they feel like it's necessary


Wow, two sides to every story
If true then jumping in stands to help a wife bully a fan?
Yeah I can see 5 games

 

[VF21]

Thanks for posting, Jkbiker.

This sounds a little more believeable, and in tune with the clips I've seen.

 

[Rockmeister]

Just for the record: There is a specific area where team family members sit. The public might not know, and it's not marked "TEAM FAMILY" or anything, but SECURITY does know about it and, from what I've been told, they keep a pretty close eye on the situations.

This sure sounds like something initiated by Davis' wife more than anything else.

IF this is the case, then why aren't more families in this so called "specific" area. I know the NFL and MLB have specific area, but I have yet to read the NBA has one. I was watching ESPN and they said NBA does NOT have a specific area. Maybe they should have one.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Either way, even if his wife was at fault, it's not reasonable to expect Antonio Davis, or any other married man, to sit and do nothing while he watches what looked to him like his wife being accosted.

Like I said before, he's not going to think, "Well, she probably started it, so I'm sure she had it coming." All he had time to think was, "Something's wrong with Chandra!"

 

[thesanityannex]

Wow, two sides to every story
If true then jumping in stands to help a wife bully a fan?
Yeah I can see 5 games

Two sides sure.......but where do you come up with a player helping his wife bully a fan??? That is ridiculous. He had no idea what was going on and if he had enough time to assess the situation from the court, the situation was already far out of control and should have been stopped by security. I don't blame Axelrod, I don't blame the wife, I don't blame Davis. I can't fault any of them for what they did. This comes down solely on security, or lack thereof.

 

[thesanityannex]

This sounds a little more believeable, and in tune with the clips I've seen.

Did you see her being constantly yelled at by the man behind Axelrod? From what I've read, he, not Axelrod, started the whole thing. He had been yelling expletives at her when she would stand up and cheer for her husband. She, like Axelrod, has every right to cheer for whatever she wants. Anyways, lets wait to here from both sides (Axelrod/Chandra)...

 

[VF21]

Yes, she has a right to cheer. And Axelrod had the right to enjoy the game without being WRONGLY accousted by Davis, who broke the rules coming up into the stands in the first place.

BUT do not assume every player's wife/girlfriend is the innocent victim in these things. I've heard stories about some player relatives who are rude, obnoxious, etc. so they can't automatically be assumed to be innocent.

Bottom line is Davis should not have left the court. Everything else may end up being resolved in a court of law.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Whether or not Chandra Davis was an "innocent" victim has no bearing on whether or not Antonio was wrong to see what was going on with her.

 

[VF21]

And whatever was happening has no bearing on whether or not Davis broke the rules of the league and is now paying the price...

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

:: shrugs ::

Like I said in the first post I made in this thread, I condone both Davis' actions and the penalty.

If I'm in Antonio Davis' shoes, I can accept that punishment with a clear conscience. I could not, however, look myself in the mirror if I disregarded what looked like my wife being in danger, and stood and watched.

 

[RaY Z]

:: shrugs ::

Like I said in the first post I made in this thread, I condone both Davis' actions and the penalty.

If I'm in Antonio Davis' shoes, I can accept that punishment with a clear conscience. I could not, however, look myself in the mirror if I disregarded what looked like my wife being in danger, and stood and watched.

exactly its something you do if someone you LOVE such as your wife or girlfriend is in the slightest trouble. i mean common its his WIFE his WIFE someone he LOVES dearly and would do anything to protect her.

saying this the punishment is fair. but i do not blame Davis or think his actions where stupid as he did out for LOVE and PROTECTION.

 

[VF21]

Guys, as a female I would NOT expect my husband to violate his rules of employment in such a manner. In fact, I would hope that he'd stay clear of the whole situation and let security handle it. Your chivalry is, IMHO, is honorable but slightly skewed.

 

[foretaz]

i think if some of u knew a little more about kendra and some of her history it might give u a bit different take on the situation...

just to give u a taste....she called into a talk radio show when tony played in indy.....and she proceeded to read the riot act to fans for criticizing her husband.....

now tony and kendra are great in the community...and its hard to find better guys than tony...but kendra can cross the line into psycho land...

and remember....she and tony were not happy at all to be traded from chicago to the knicks...

and they were playing chicago in chicago....

from this seat, i dont think its a stretch at all to say that kendra was probably every bit as responsible for what was going on in the stands as the axelrod...

and it also doesnt seem to be a stretch to say that tony saw kendra in some guys face and went up to intervene more than even protect....may sound crazy...but not so crazy when ur a bit more familiar with kendra...

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Makes no difference to me whatsoever; she might be a five-letter word that rhymes with ditch, but doesn't mean that she deserves to get hurt.

So, suppose that, because she likes to start stuff, some guy decided that he was going to teach "some spoiled player's wife" a lesson, and she actually did get hurt? It's all well and good to say that nothing happened, but what if something had happened? Can you live with yourself if something happened to your wife, forteaz, and you could have done something, but didn't? I couldn't.

There was virtually no way for Antonio Davis to know what was really happening from where he was; he reacted to what looked, to him, like his wife in trouble. And I can't blame him for that.

 

[slugking50]

Security has never helped me to my seat in any venue no matter if it was a bball game or disney on ice. They stand there with their arms in front watching people. I'm not saying that security is bad but they're not always on top of things.

That wasnt security. That was one Attendees who partrol every few sections.

 

[Rowdyone]

My take:
1. Majority of arena "security" are no more than ushers.
2. By all accounts "security" wasn't nearby.
3. Team security man was occupied escorting a player to the lockeroom,
unavailable.
4. You see your wife embroiled in a situation with a fan you have no idea
what the fan's intent is so it's on you to react. She's your family, the
rest is just a job.
5. Even if you know you're going to be disciplined you go anyway...it's
akin to civil disobediance...you know it's wrong but you don't care, you
will take the penalty.
6. Whatever the league's penalty amounts to plus what the fan is suing
for I would sue the NBA for for not maintaining adequate security at it's
games.
7. Having been the victim of senseless violence because the authorities
were unavailable I came to the realization that one's security is
ultimately up to themselves...protect yourself and live to argue about
it later.

 

[SacTownKing4Life]

Guys, as a female I would NOT expect my husband to violate his rules of employment in such a manner. In fact, I would hope that he'd stay clear of the whole situation and let security handle it. Your chivalry is, IMHO, is honorable but slightly skewed.

VF, from what you are saying, if something (god forbid) TERRIBLE happened to you (not going to go into any detail but insert any tragedy there), you're husbands employment (at least all the places I have worked) is not REQUIRED to let you leave to go to your family. But you wouldn't want your husband to be there? Its not like you can leave your place of employment in the middle of your shift without it violating a rule and being in jeporady of being fired.

I agree with both the actions by Davis and the Punishment.

 

[RoyalDiva]

Just for the record: There is a specific area where team family members sit. The public might not know, and it's not marked "TEAM FAMILY" or anything, but SECURITY does know about it and, from what I've been told, they keep a pretty close eye on the situations.

This sure sounds like something initiated by Davis' wife more than anything else.

I wonder why the NBA doesn't move this 'family area' closer to the court? This might prevent future situations like this one from happening. Right now, it always appears that the families are sitting amongst the thick of the fans, which could be a testy situation if it isn't a home game. I would hope that these player's families would have a thick enough skin to endure whatever harrassment the home crowd might shout at their family member, since they are on the opposing team after all. The fans have a right to do this and shouldn't be silenced just because so-and-so player's wife happens to be sitting in the same area.

 

[Rockmeister]

Guys, as a female I would NOT expect my husband to violate his rules of employment in such a manner. In fact, I would hope that he'd stay clear of the whole situation and let security handle it. Your chivalry is, IMHO, is honorable but slightly skewed.

As a female, if my husband knew something was wrong or was concerned, I sure hope he would see what the situation is about regardless if it violates his rules of employment. VF21 - no disrespect on your opinion, but I just wanted to say not all females are like you. I would hope my husband would think family first and all else second.

 

[RoyalDiva]

Perhaps Kendra Davis and Jackie Christie should form a club...

 

[thesanityannex]

Guys, as a female I would NOT expect my husband to violate his rules of employment in such a manner. In fact, I would hope that he'd stay clear of the whole situation and let security handle it.

Security obviously wasn't handling it.

Are you saying that you would want to handle a drunk male ***hole rather than letting your husband take care of it?

 

[bozzwell]

OK, Mrs. Davis may be Devil incarnate and all that, but the guys who were taking the issue with her to start her fit, were guys sitting in $100 seats, complaining about Mrs. Davis _standing_ and _cheering_ in last few seconds of the OT!!! Why on Earth are they not up on their feet, cheering Bulls 10 times louder then she was.

I'd slap the little ***** myself if I was a Bulls fun.

 

[Venom]

and it also doesnt seem to be a stretch to say that tony saw kendra in some guys face and went up to intervene more than even protect....may sound crazy...but not so crazy when ur a bit more familiar with kendra...

I wanted to withhold judgment, just in case the above turned out to be correct. It turns out she is aggressive and confrontational, and the guy was NOT drunk. Next time, Antonio should just admit he has a crazy wife instead of making claims against the fan. Maybe she never moved to New York, but either way, she should probably not travel with the team anymore.

 

[LakerN49erChick05]

I wonder why the NBA doesn't move this 'family area' closer to the court? This might prevent future situations like this one from happening. Right now, it always appears that the families are sitting amongst the thick of the fans, which could be a testy situation if it isn't a home game. I would hope that these player's families would have a thick enough skin to endure whatever harrassment the home crowd might shout at their family member, since they are on the opposing team after all. The fans have a right to do this and shouldn't be silenced just because so-and-so player's wife happens to be sitting in the same area.

i wonder the same thing. i remember when NJ played boston in the playoffs and how JKidd's wife was gettin harrassed so much that she and TJ couldnt go to the games.
And yes... Kendra and Jackie should start a club.

 

[JJ22L]

There are team security people all over the place. If Mrs. Davis was having any kinds of problems, she should have signalled one of them. Davis going into the stands was dumb, dumber, and dumbest. And he's probably going to be suspended for it.

Was he not paying attention when the league handed down the word that players do not go into the stands?

What an idiot.

I dunno what happened...but its irrellevant i diagree with this whole heartedly.
My wife is #1...before basketball, before ejections, before anything...if there is an issue, she comes first.

...end of story.

 

[Jkbiker]

Two sides sure.......but where do you come up with a player helping his wife bully a fan??? That is ridiculous. He had no idea what was going on and if he had enough time to assess the situation from the court, the situation was already far out of control and should have been stopped by security. I don't blame Axelrod, I don't blame the wife, I don't blame Davis. I can't fault any of them for what they did. This comes down solely on security, or lack thereof.

Oops Me bad, I really meant to say "player helping his wife who was bullying a fan" I did not mean that AD was trying to Bully the fan

Last thing i need is a slander suit HAHA

There is enough of those already!

 

[GreenKing]

I wonder why the NBA doesn't move this 'family area' closer to the court? This might prevent future situations like this one from happening. Right now, it always appears that the families are sitting amongst the thick of the fans, which could be a testy situation if it isn't a home game. I would hope that these player's families would have a thick enough skin to endure whatever harrassment the home crowd might shout at their family member, since they are on the opposing team after all. The fans have a right to do this and shouldn't be silenced just because so-and-so player's wife happens to be sitting in the same area.

Eff no. Put the players wifes in the BFE nose bleeds. They dont deserve the primo tickets for the game.