Kings - Wizards idea.

[Smills91]

Assume the Kings get #1 and take Griffin, and the Wizards get #2 and take Rubio.

The Wizards have the pieces to win NOW. The Kings are years away from competing again..Why not do this sensible swap?

Kings deal:
Kevin Martin

Wizards deal:
Darius Songaila
DeShawn Stevenson
Javale McGee
Rights to Rubio

Why for the Kings - They land both stars in this draft and add talent that matches their rosters age.

Why for the Wizards - They fill a hole in their roster with an elite talent who thrives in the secondary scoring role. They move contracts to be able to re-sign Butler/Haywood in 2010.

New rosters:
Wizards -
C: Brendan Haywood, Etan Thomas
PF: Antawn Jamison, Andray Blatche, Oleksiy Pecherov
SF: Caron Butler, Danny Green(#33?)
SG: Kevin Martin, Nick Young, Dominic McGuire
PG: Gilbert Arenas, Mike James, Javaris Crittenten

Kings -
C: Spencer Hawes, JaVale McGee, Darius Songaila
PF: Blake Griffin(#1), Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas
SF: Andres Nocioni, Donte Greene
SG: Francisco Garcia, DeShawn Stevenson, Marcus Thornton(#23)
PG: Ricky Rubio(#2), Beno Udrih, Patrick Mills/Darren Collison(#31)

 

[TheWileyVet]

Trade our best player for a unproven rookie? Meh

 

[beb0p]

I don't think the Wizard will do this trade because I believe they're still holding the SG spot for Nick Young.

But assuming the Wiz do this trade, we're giving up a proven borderline all-star in his prime for two unproven and raw players (Rubio & McGee). You'll have to be certain that at least one of them will turn into an all-star for this to be worthwhile. And I'm not sure either one will ever be all-star.

 

[Smills91]

I don't think the Wizard will do this trade because I believe they're still holding the SG spot for Nick Young.

But assuming the Wiz do this trade, we're giving up a proven borderline all-star in his prime for two unproven and raw players (Rubio & McGee). You'll have to be certain that at least one of them will turn into an all-star for this to be worthwhile. And I'm not sure either one will ever be all-star.

Those are both valid concerns with the risks...but sometimes you have to take risks, say trading your franchise player for a mercurial 6'11 PF coming off pot possesion charges.

I think adding both Griffin AND Rubio to our roster while only sacrificing the 'oldest' piece of our core is a brilliant stroke.

Hawes 21, Thompson 22, Griffin 19, Rubio 18, Greene 20...That's a legit 5 there. You can even round it out with Marcus Thornton 22 for the SG position.

 

[Vlade4GM]

It's a solid idea, I'm not sure if I'd do it or if the Wiz would do it but it's not a bad idea at all.

Martin is a bit older than we'd like from our core, but I don't see that necessarily as a bit problem. The injury factor with Martin concerns me more.

I'm not sure if the Wizards do this though. It seems like a lot of long term money for them to commit to and their offense should be fine with what they got and the addition of Rubio. Although I do have to say that they could use a guy who actually works off the ball. If the deal was Martin for Butler and some extra change I think they'd do it no problem but that is not very attractive to the Kings.

 

[CaAllDay]

i like the idea, but i dont think the wizards will do it.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I'd do it, just for the chance that we get something special (nucleus of Hawes/Griffin/Thompson/McGee/Rubio could be special).

However, I don't think the Kings would do it, and I definitely don't think the Wiz would do it.

 

[kingsnation]

If the draft goes this way and the Wiz do get number 2 - why do they draft Rubio?

They have Arenas. They will most likely draft a Thabeet or Harden type of player with the 2 spot.

 

[Smills91]

If the draft goes this way and the Wiz do get number 2 - why do they draft Rubio?

They have Arenas. They will most likely draft a Thabeet or Harden type of player with the 2 spot.

Because there is a steep drop off in talent between the Rubio's and Thabeet/Harden's of the draft.

 

[Spike]

If the draft goes this way and the Wiz do get number 2 - why do they draft Rubio?

Because we ask them to, as per conditions of the trade, silly. The offer would be made prior to draft day, I assume. Otherwise the point is moot.

While there are a lot of hair-brained ideas floating around during TDOS, I like this one in a wacky sort of way. The Kings complete the youth movement and add key vets (like Nocioni-types) to help round out a team and mentor the kids, and Washington gets positioned for a nice run in the East with Flip at the helm. Granted, they won't play any defense, but they'll put butts in the seats...and so would the Kings.

 

[Dime Dropper]

If the draft goes this way and the Wiz do get number 2 - why do they draft Rubio?

They have Arenas. They will most likely draft a Thabeet or Harden type of player with the 2 spot.

Wizards have already said they are going for either Griffin or Rubio. Look, just because a team has a starter at one position, doesn't mean they are going to pass up by far the bigger talent just for a position of need.

Would we pass up Griffin for Evans/Teague/Holiday? No way.

 

[kingsnation]

The offer would be made prior to draft day, I assume. Otherwise the point is moot.

Right. Got it. Talent aside, this is the only way the trade would go down, IMO.

 

[Smills91]

Wizards have already said they are going for either Griffin or Rubio. Look, just because a team has a starter at one position, doesn't mean they are going to pass up by far the bigger talent just for a position of need.

Would we pass up Griffin for Evans/Teague/Holiday? No way.

Um? What are you talking about? We're talking about Martin vs. Rubio. Martin's a proven top 7-10 scorer in the league at the ripe young age of 26. Rubio is an 18 y/o youtube phenom. While Rubio may be great one day he's not helping a Wizards bunch with Arenas, Jamison or Butler win anything.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Um? What are you talking about? We're talking about Martin vs. Rubio. Martin's a proven top 7-10 scorer in the league at the ripe young age of 26. Rubio is an 18 y/o youtube phenom. While Rubio may be great one day he's not helping a Wizards bunch with Arenas, Jamison or Butler win anything.

Uh, you're the one who's got it backwards. I wasn't referring to the OP, I was referring to a seperate statement which said that the Wiz would take Thabeet or Harden over Rubio with the second pick. Nothing got to do with the OP.

 

[Jerryaki]

URubio is an 18 y/o youtube phenom. While Rubio may be great one day he's not helping a Wizards bunch with Arenas, Jamison or Butler win anything.

well...he could help win them a following on youtube.

 

[Smills91]

Uh, you're the one who's got it backwards. I wasn't referring to the OP, I was referring to a seperate statement which said that the Wiz would take Thabeet or Harden over Rubio with the second pick. Nothing got to do with the OP.

Oh gotcha, in that case, agreed.

 

[vikinginferno]

There's a few things I don't like about this trade. First of all, we would have 4 young bigs that need a lot of development. That would not work. Second, we would likely have to give up either one or both of our other picks or a player like Nocioni, who I think could actually help the Wizards get some toughness. I would propose something more along the lines of:

Kings trade:
K-Mart
Nocioni
pick #31

Wizards trade:
Rights to Rubio
Nick Young
Etan Thomas
2010 first round pick

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I wouldn't say an immediate no to the idea--but it would still be a no. Talentwise, I like certain parts we're going to get--I personally think JaVale McGee is going to be a stud--but come on, this would be a mass rebuild if we're effectively going to get four first rounders in this draft. While Griffin and Rubio would be enticing and could be great for our future prospects, we need someone with experience who's still young, to right the ship--that's Martin, and we're just not going to trade a homegrown player (and he's had the longest tenure on the team too). I'm not even sure if the Wiz would want to give Rubio away, if they have the opportunity to get him

 

[Smills91]

There's a few things I don't like about this trade. First of all, we would have 4 young bigs that need a lot of development. That would not work. Second, we would likely have to give up either one or both of our other picks or a player like Nocioni, who I think could actually help the Wizards get some toughness. I would propose something more along the lines of:

Kings trade:
K-Mart
Nocioni
pick #31

Wizards trade:
Rights to Rubio
Nick Young
Etan Thomas
2010 first round pick

The wizards are cap strung. DeShawn and Darius are in the deal so the Wiz can take on martin's salary AND re-sign Butler/Haywood. That's why McGee is in the deal, since the Kings don't get Etan's expiring. I don't see the wiz doing it unless this happens.

 

[SacKings7]

There's only 1 basketball. The Wizards would need at least 2 if they were to go with that lineup. Too many scorers who can't do much on the other end of the court

 

[Bricklayer]

As I proposed nearly that exact same trade on here a month ago, at least as a thought, I am hardly going to pooh pooh it now.

The idea works equally well if we get #1, and use it to get Griffin, or if we get #3, and use it to get Thabeet. Either way, then you make the trade to get your PG, and might have completed both your young frontcourt and a young floor general in the same summer. Thing is that I liked the idea better with John Wall as a target than Rubio. If Rubio works out, then you have taken a major step forward in the rebuild. If he doesn't...burning Kevin for less than an impact player obviously sets us back.

And yeah, I agree that that WSH team would be absolutley overflowing with non defending scorers, but the temptation of slapping together 4 20pt scorers in the prime of their careers along with the new high profile coach and giving it a go might be too much for them. Get interest in the team back up at least, even if it seems clear that they'd never do the dirty work to be major winners.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

There's one thing I worry about more than any other in the trade-Kevin-for-the-other-big-piece scenario (however it plays out), and that is this: I fear that the public might view shipping off the face of our franchise as some sort of betrayal or disinterest in the team on the part of the Maloofs, however well-intentioned and thought out it might be. With an arena deal in place, I could live with that. Without an arena deal in place, and with the prospect that negative public opinion might kill one that might otherwise materialize...

I would prefer to hold on to Kevin and have the Kings pass on an eventual superstar, extending the rebuild in Sacramento than to have the Kings get that superstar for Kevin and quickly vault into the upper echelon of the Western Conference in (Kansas City/Anaheim/San Jose). I'm not saying it would come down to this, I just fear it could.

 

[Spike]

There's one thing I worry about more than any other in the trade-Kevin-for-the-other-big-piece scenario (however it plays out), and that is this: I fear that the public might view shipping off the face of our franchise as some sort of betrayal or disinterest in the team on the part of the Maloofs, however well-intentioned and thought out it might be. With an arena deal in place, I could live with that. Without an arena deal in place, and with the prospect that negative public opinion might kill one that might otherwise materialize...

I would prefer to hold on to Kevin and have the Kings pass on an eventual superstar, extending the rebuild in Sacramento than to have the Kings get that superstar for Kevin and quickly vault into the upper echelon of the Western Conference in (Kansas City/Anaheim/San Jose). I'm not saying it would come down to this, I just fear it could.

Most of the public would, and should, see it as the Kings getting 2 of the top 3 players in the draft.

 

[bajaden]

There's one thing I worry about more than any other in the trade-Kevin-for-the-other-big-piece scenario (however it plays out), and that is this: I fear that the public might view shipping off the face of our franchise as some sort of betrayal or disinterest in the team on the part of the Maloofs, however well-intentioned and thought out it might be. With an arena deal in place, I could live with that. Without an arena deal in place, and with the prospect that negative public opinion might kill one that might otherwise materialize...

I would prefer to hold on to Kevin and have the Kings pass on an eventual superstar, extending the rebuild in Sacramento than to have the Kings get that superstar for Kevin and quickly vault into the upper echelon of the Western Conference in (Kansas City/Anaheim/San Jose). I'm not saying it would come down to this, I just fear it could.

It all comes down to whether we win or not. If you make the move and the team starts winning, Martin will become forgotten very quickly. Lets face it, Martin doesn't have the charisma of a Webber or a Vlade. I guess what I'm saying is that when I think of the Kings right now, I don't see Martin's face. Thats not a knock on him. He is what he is. And what he is right now is a valuable trading piece, if one wants to use him as such.

I know your concerned about the politics, and I understand where your coming from. I just think that if the right moves are made and the team starts to look like, well, a team, then people will return to the seats.