Kings Vs. Cavaliers game thread
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Really best case scenario.. we need to be losing, but somehow got an entertaining effort out of the guys AND didn't help out the Lakers by beating the team that's tied with them in the loss column.
kingsnation
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That's a GOOD thing though.
kingsnation
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Didn't get to see the game, but was getting updates on my phone. Great effort fro our guys in the 4th and OT!
Kings Faithful
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The best thing that can happen to us right now is to beat the Lakers on April 7th and ruin their chances for Home Court against the Cavs in the playoffs....what sweet revenge it would be.
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AriesMar27
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so how has nocioni played? i dont get to watch kings games because i live in los angeles and i cant afford league pass thi season. is he worth his contract? 12/9 tonight seems okay kinda since i havent seen much of him. lebron scored 51 so i dont know what to say about his defense...
Lebron James scored 51 points because he's freaking good. Nocioni did as good a job as anyone could against him when it was his assignment.
Nocioni plays hard, he gives it his all and he is the definitive team player. Whether he's worth his contract or not is subjective. I think he's worth keeping around for the simple reason he plays defense and motivates some of the others to do the same. And he's a good guy...
Nocioni plays hard, he gives it his all and he is the definitive team player. Whether he's worth his contract or not is subjective. I think he's worth keeping around for the simple reason he plays defense and motivates some of the others to do the same. And he's a good guy...
Nighthawk1
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Very few can cover Lebron... I think he played decently. LBJ was just a one make wrecking crew tonight
Anybody else deeply disturbed by Martin's last attempt in regulation? I knew he was now completely focused on drawing fouls near the basket, but has the mentality set in at the 3 point line too? While we're at it, why is the one player on our team that does not have the ability to make a play for himself and shoot a J off the dribble doing precisely that? Good result for us, don't get me wrong, but are we just trying to prove the obvious or what?
Bricklayer
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His final attempt was the same as all the other failures he's had this year in that situation -- an attempt to draw a foul instead of an attempt to get off the shot. He seems rather dim. The refs don't call that. Won't call that. And aren't about to start calling that.
SacKings384
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I ref for middle school and high school and I'd never call the type of fouls Martin tries to draw. I didn't see tonight, but I've seen enough of him to figure out what happened. He doesn't try to win, he tries to get bailed out. That separates him from the stars that lead their team.
Section 101
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He caught the ball with 3 seconds to go moving away from the basket. LBJ was all over him, he tried a pump fake to get room and didn't work. It didn't look like he was going for the foul. There wasn't much time to do anything else the way he got the ball.
The mistake was not going sooner on the previous play where the cavs had a foul to give. They didnt leave themselves enough time knowing the cavs were going to foul.
Gargamel
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You're better off with Boston getting out of the East.
Variant
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Or, the Lakers are... they really want HCA and you can tell by the way they're playing. Honestly, I don't think either Boston or Cleveland can beat LA this year, but that's just me...
Anyways, I know the hometown fans will give me a hard time Monday for "losing" this game. What can I say? We're really really bad.
And, every time I see a close finish like this I'm not so sure Kevin is cut out to be a #1 option... but I seriously doubt he woult want to be a #2 option either.
Anyways, I know the hometown fans will give me a hard time Monday for "losing" this game. What can I say? We're really really bad.
And, every time I see a close finish like this I'm not so sure Kevin is cut out to be a #1 option... but I seriously doubt he woult want to be a #2 option either.
I saw the same thing you did.
plenty of time to run TOWARDS the basket and try to elevate and get the foul. LBJ is stronger, faster and bigger. Martin took on dribble and tried to pump fake in the air. In that same time he could have gotten to the FT line and threw up a prayer. Considering the refs will not call that bailout BS at the end of games (see Jon, Barry, and Fisher, Derek)it was an idiotic move, or a smart one, depending on which side of the grass you are looking at.
vikinginferno
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Or, the Lakers are... they really want HCA and you can tell by the way they're playing. Honestly, I don't think either Boston or Cleveland can beat LA this year, but that's just me...
Anyways, I know the hometown fans will give me a hard time Monday for "losing" this game. What can I say? We're really really bad.
And, every time I see a close finish like this I'm not so sure Kevin is cut out to be a #1 option... but I seriously doubt he woult want to be a #2 option either.
I actually think he would take that pretty well as long as he still gets his chances. He would get less points and shots, but he would get more open shots and the defense would not be concentrated on him. He isn't the type of guy that will whine and moan and pout because he isn't the #1 option.
coolhandluke
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Yep. Dumb, dumb play by Martin. He was relatively open for the three with LeBron out of position (not even squared up!) yet he foolishly tries to get contact/foul. Worse, he ends up with nowhere to go after the pumpfake. Anytime you get some daylight, you rise and throw it up. Hopefully, Kevin takes this as a learning experience and improves because he is the best we've got.
rainmaker
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The most fustrating part of watching Kevins game winning attempts this year is that he has the ability to get better shots. He's not a great one on one player, but if would just attack the rim or at least try to get into the paint he would be getting much better looks at the basket. We could also run him off screens so he catches the ball on the move. He could be set up to better utilize his strengths. Either way, Kevin could get better shots if he was more aggresive.
You mean like the play against SA in the PO useless? Or the last second full-court drive and off-balance floater to win it in Seattle (?) useless? I'm trying to figure out your definition.....
Bricklayer
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His definition is the same as mine -- useless. Until he mans up and starts playing basketball, not cheat with the refs help, you'd be better off going through almost anybody else. The refs won't play Kevin's floppy little game at the end of games. Never have. If he's going to persist in playing it that way he will fail again and again and again, just as he has this year. He's actually been useful this season to secure us a handful of extra losses with that garbage. But there will come a time when we want to win again, and when we've reached that point if Kevin has still not grown enough of a pair to actually take the big shot ratehr than look to be bailed out we will not want him anywhere near the ball when it matters.
Oh I agree for the most part, but Martin still gets it done on occasion. That isn't what I would call totally "useless". There are times he grasps the moment and wins it. There are others he tries to get bailed out, and that generally doesn't work.
No matter what Kevin Martin does, he's not going to turn into Lebron James or Kobe Bryant or D. Wade or any other close to perfect player. And, for that reason, people will on occasion be disappointed. Pointing the finger at Kevin as though he and he alone is to blame for the loss is just myopic. Sure, what he tried didn't work...but if Donte hadn't given the ball away a few seconds earlier maybe we wouldn't have been in that position anyway. It's the sum total of our mistakes as compared to the Cavs mistakes that really matters. They made fewer and won. But we, the bottom feeders in the league, really made them work...
I'm just tired at the idea that Martin is a failure, or useless, or whatever else people say about him. He's not a failure; he's certainly not useless. Does his game still have room for improvement? Hell, yes, but he's come a lot further than a lot of the naysayers would ever want to admit.
I'm just tired at the idea that Martin is a failure, or useless, or whatever else people say about him. He's not a failure; he's certainly not useless. Does his game still have room for improvement? Hell, yes, but he's come a lot further than a lot of the naysayers would ever want to admit.
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