Rob-The-Great
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Between my Raiders and my Kings. I'm hanging on by a thread. I need to taste victory for once in my 35 years. Please!
The one that doesn't have the hot hand. You could have picked 4 of the 5 starters today and you wouldn't have been wrong. That's what coaching is about. We not subbing out superstars here. We lost the game
Is buddy fox? Barnes? Anyone not named fox yes can be pulled when they stinking up the place. They are not superstars. Buddy was on bench last season lets not pretend he's curry. And we are not talking about the whole 4th quarter man, you mean there are no minutes available for the future of the team? Who's not playing bad mind you. And cojo and Bagley are not even in the same category as far as building blocksNope, not good enough. If Cojo hits 3 3's in the 4th quarter, should he stay in the game for Fox?
Not this game. It would be the same old story. Set a pick so bagley gets switched on dame or McCollum and they exploit his defensive weakness. Almost every team we play does it. We’re 12 games into the season, he can still develop 3Q of the game early in the season and when he stops being a liability, he can finish games. Hell buddy still gets pulled for defensive substitutions still and his defense has gotten a lot better. As of now, I’d still roll with fox/buddy/ty/hb/holmes to finish games.So we can't win games with Bagley? Honest question. Because with more pt and crunch time min I think it's our only hope. This same group had there chance last year. We all know this story
Seriously. Maybe Walton should cool us off when once we are up by 10 by bringing in the garbage minutes unit.Beyond aggravating watching a team continually blow sizable leads in a matter of minutes. Just ridiculous
Beyond aggravating watching a team continually blow sizable leads in a matter of minutes. Just ridiculous
I'm not sure how you can predict the future like that. You act as if the strategy worked or something? I'm confused did we slow down dame or McCollum with Bagley on the bench? Pretty sure they lit us up like a candle. We not competing for a championship, we are developing our team. We need to see what Bagley can do for a full season to see if he has the potential to be a great. It's a short seasons so 12 games is more like 20 games. But we are all fans here. Just my two cents. I've said enough for a newbie. Thank you for the input.Not this game. It would be the same old story. Set a pick so bagley gets switched on dame or McCollum and they exploit his defensive weakness. Almost every team we play does it. We’re 12 games into the season, he can still develop 3Q of the game early in the season and when he stops being a liability, he can finish games. Hell buddy still gets pulled for defensive substitutions still and his defense has gotten a lot better. As of now, I’d still roll with fox/buddy/ty/hb/holmes to finish games.
I'm not sure how you can predict the future like that. You act as if the strategy worked or something? I'm confused did we slow down dame or McCollum with Bagley on the bench? Pretty sure they lit us up like a candle. We not competing for a championship, we are developing our team. We need to see what Bagley can do for a full season to see if he has the potential to be a great. It's a short seasons so 12 games is more like 20 games. But we are all fans here. Just my two cents. I've said enough for a newbie. Thank you for the input.
On to next game
Homes is a center Bagley is a PF. They start together. You don't have to pick one or the other. Play them both. No reason why he doesn't touch the floor every game in the 4th. You can't give me a good one. But I will listen to you try
Not this game. It would be the same old story. Set a pick so bagley gets switched on dame or McCollum and they exploit his defensive weakness. Almost every team we play does it. We’re 12 games into the season, he can still develop 3Q of the game early in the season and when he stops being a liability, he can finish games. Hell buddy still gets pulled for defensive substitutions still and his defense has gotten a lot better. As of now, I’d still roll with fox/buddy/ty/hb/holmes to finish games.
yeah i mean sometimes in some games you just gotta play the starters extended min. sometimes its needed. look at the min per game of our 2000-2001 starters and look at them nowSeriously. Maybe Walton should cool us off when once we are up by 10 by bringing in the garbage minutes unit.
Yes this. I want a real starting 5 that plays 30+ min each with 1 6th man getting close to 30 the rest can fight for min. That's what nba teams do. Good ones at leastyeah i mean sometimes in some games you just gotta play the starters extended min. sometimes its needed. look at the min per game of our 2000-2001 starters and look at them now
All of the bigs are getting exploited on the pick and roll. The team attempted to remedy that this game by having our guards fight over the top of the screen. This significantly helped Bagley and put the responsibility back on the guards to actually be responsible for stopping their man. But more importantly, the Kings aren't locking teams down in the 4th when they sit Bagley.
Your comment about Buddy being pulled in defensive situations, presumably in favor of CoJo, underlines the issue. Walton playing his guys despite what is actually happening on the court. It's predetermined that CoJo is Waltons defensive stopper, even when CoJo has been a defensive liability for quite some time. It's predetermined that Bagley will sit the entire 4th quarter unless the team is getting blown out.
I loved how Mark Jones said on the broadcast (I think it was to end the first or second quarter) that CoJo was a great defender, and right on cue Lillard blew past him easily to the rim. Wouldn't be the last time. CoJo's defense has been far from great this season, just living on reputation at the moment.
Him and Holmes playing the two man game so well so far has been surprising as well. There were a lot of questions whether the two could fit together and really who Bagley ideal fit next to him in the front court may be but if we go off the numbers they appear to be a match made in heaven, thus far this seasonBagley has quietly put together several solid games. Aside from the melt down games after the dad tweet, seeing much better in many aspects of the game. Mark Jones saying on the broadcast that a Western Conference GM says we need to be patient because he’s a 21 year old kid putting up double doubles. I agree with this as long as he’s playing like he has the last 2 games or so. He hasn’t been a black hole, actually has moved his feet on defense, did well against Covington which should have been a tough matchup.
Him and Holmes playing the two man game so well so far has been surprising as well. There were a lot of questions whether the two could fit together and really who Bagley ideal fit next to him in the front court may be but if we go off the numbers they appear to be a match made in heaven, thus far this season
My point exactly. I don't get this homles or Bagley argument. As well as Barnes as played hes not the future of this team. He will not get us over the humpHim and Holmes playing the two man game so well so far has been surprising as well. There were a lot of questions whether the two could fit together and really who Bagley ideal fit next to him in the front court may be but if we go off the numbers they appear to be a match made in heaven, thus far this season
seriously. If we aren't winning we better be losing in meaningful ways. Hard to take meaning by keeping players we've invested heavily in out of meaningful minutes.Even me as not the biggest Bagley fan around hates his usage this season. He’s potentially just as important to this team’s future as Fox and Hali. His first two seasons were wasted by injury and now he’s being wasted by a coach who won’t play him when it counts.
I clown on him when he struggles, but I’d rather watch him struggle and see if he’s a piece of the future over guys that aren’t.
And games when he plays well and only gets 19 minutes, including none in the 4th and skipped over for an unready and awful Metu? Freakin’ unacceptable.
I loved how Mark Jones said on the broadcast (I think it was to end the first or second quarter) that CoJo was a great defender, and right on cue Lillard blew past him easily to the rim. Wouldn't be the last time. CoJo's defense has been far from great this season, just living on reputation at the moment.
Olden Polynice on Twitter saying he wished he could help the Kings. Says it’s all defense. Carmichael Dave asked what he would do different. OP broke down that once we had that 19 point lead, we should have ran them off the 3 point line to force them to need more possessions to catch-up instead of them making the volume of 3s in less possessions.
Actually makes sense.
Olden Polynice on Twitter saying he wished he could help the Kings. Says it’s all defense. Carmichael Dave asked what he would do different. OP broke down that once we had that 19 point lead, we should have ran them off the 3 point line to force them to need more possessions to catch-up instead of them making the volume of 3s in less possessions.
Actually makes sense.
I think that is understood as far as personnel but OP’s point was allowing the 3 pointers, it took Portland significantly less possessions to erase that lead as opposed to taking away the 3 point line and forcing them to erase the lead with more possessions. I mean, Sac can’t stop Portland no matter how they play so why not force them to take more possessions( making 2 pointers) than allowing the 3. Last time I checked, they do have a rather large big man shot blocker that they can camp in the paintI don't think the Kings have the personnel to play that effectively against Portland. Maybe, but it would be a hard task.
I watched the Charlotte/Dallas game before the Kings game. Dallas does what Polynice wanted. But they have WCS, Porzingas, and Boban. 7 ft, 7'3, and 7'4. The Hornets were lost all game. Mavs wings would push out on the Hornets players, running them off the line. They'd drive and run into the three giants, who are not just tall, they're long. On the Kings, to do that, you'd need Hassan and one other long, shot altering big. The Kings don't really have that second big. Bags has the physical profile, but is one handed and still has poor positioning, Holmes is really about 6'8 and can move his feet, but isn't really the shot altering type.
I don't think the Kings have the personnel to play that effectively against Portland. Maybe, but it would be a hard task.
I watched the Charlotte/Dallas game before the Kings game. Dallas does what Polynice wanted. But they have WCS, Porzingas, and Boban. 7 ft, 7'3, and 7'4. The Hornets were lost all game. Mavs wings would push out on the Hornets players, running them off the line. They'd drive and run into the three giants, who are not just tall, they're long. On the Kings, to do that, you'd need Hassan and one other long, shot altering big. The Kings don't really have that second big. Bags has the physical profile, but is one handed and still has poor positioning, Holmes is really about 6'8 and can move his feet, but isn't really the shot altering type.