[Game] Kings Versus Grizzlies, 11/6/10 7PM

[RookieOfTheDay]

Those are all veteran stacked, more talented team, who have a shot at winning it all, or going very deep in the playoffs. We have nothing in common with those teams. The Maloofs understandably, don't have the ability to spend 20-30 mil over the cap. That makes no sense for us right now. Those teams all know exactly what they have on their rosters, how it all fits, and what they need to improve. We are light years from where those teams are. Your mistake is comparing us to contenders. There is absolutely no reason to spend that kind of money right now while we're developing our talent.

You might not like the fact we're rebuilding, or might not accept it, but it's not something you can simply buy your way out of with total disregard for the CBA and salary cap. And I hope you understand spending 20-30M over the cap is extremely careless at best with the possibility of there being a hard cap this time next year.

I wasn't comparing us to them. Only using them as an example that frugality doesn't translate to wins in the NBA.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Why pay someone 15 mil a year when next year you may get that same level player for half? Lots of talk about a hard cap which means those teams you mentioned will be in cap hell trying to dump players.

Because there's no guarantee that they'll be there next year or that you'll get them for half if they are?

 

[Tetsujin]

Precisely. Which is why this year was the perfect time to bring a high caliber FA. Then, you'd have the FA locked up for 6 or 7 years, and in two or three years when it comes time to resign Evans, Casspi, DMC, etc. they'd be able to go over the cap to do it.

Errr. I have the distinct feeling that Brick's entire post flew over your head.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Errr. I have the distinct feeling that Brick's entire post flew over your head.

Why, because I pointed out that singing a FA wouldn't restrict them from retaining their young core in the future? The ironic thing is, some of what Brick said backs up what I'm saying.

 

[Tetsujin]

Why, because I pointed out that singing a FA wouldn't restrict them from retaining their young core in the future? The ironic thing is, some of what Brick said backs up what I'm saying.

We have no clue what the new contract situation will shape up to be. In the face of this uncertainty, why would you spend half of your cap-space signing someone you'd end up overpaying because Sacramento isn't New York when it could hamper your ability to resign the pieces we already have.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

We have no clue what the new contract situation will shape up to be. In the face of this uncertainty, why would you spend half of your cap-space signing someone you'd end up overpaying because Sacramento isn't New York when it could hamper your ability to resign the pieces we already have.

It's better to take a top player now, if you can get them, than to pass on them based on what might, (key word, might) happen next year.

 

[rainmaker]

Why, because I pointed out that singing a FA wouldn't restrict them from retaining their young core in the future? The ironic thing is, some of what Brick said backs up what I'm saying.

Actually, that's exactly what it could do. That's exactly what a hard cap would do. Signing a max player this past summer, and a max contract for Tyreke down the road, would effectively negate the option of extending a max contract to Cousins. With a hard cap you can't pay the luxery tax. You can't go over, period.

 

[Tetsujin]

It's better to take a top player now, if you can get them, than to pass on them based on what might, (key word, might) happen next year.

And which player would you have signed were you in GP's shoes that would have miraculously improved this team as astronomically as you think it would.

 

[DeMoN]

And which player would you have signed were you in GP's shoes that would have miraculously improved this team as astronomically as you think it would.

Dolonte West, give him a 40 mill 3 year contract and were in the playoffs baby

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Actually, that's exactly what it could do. That's exactly what a hard cap would do. Signing a max player this past summer, and a max contract for Tyreke down the road, would effectively negate the option of extending a max contract to Cousins. With a hard cap you can't pay the luxery tax. You can't go over, period.

But it's just speculation at this point whether there's going to be a hard cap or not.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

And which player would you have signed were you in GP's shoes that would have miraculously improved this team as astronomically as you think it would.

You're just putting words in my mouth now. I never said anything about miraculous, astronomical improvement. It's not as if the only two options are doing nothing or miraculous, astronomical improvement.

 

[rainmaker]

But it's just speculation at this point whether there's going to be a hard cap or not.

And if you're a GM, and not a fan, that's enough of a reason to hold off a year until there's no reason for speculation.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

And if you're a GM, and not a fan, that's enough of a reason to hold off a year until there's no reason for speculation.

I'm not sure what the consensus is among fans but i sure hope there isn't a hard cap put into place. it won't make the bad teams any better it will only make the best teams worse, thus watering down the league overall.

 

[rainmaker]

I'm not sure what the consensus is among fans but i sure hope there isn't a hard cap put into place. it won't make the bad teams any better it will only make the best teams worse, thus watering down the league overall.

I don't want one either. I would like the freedom of resigning our guys, and going over the cap if needed, after signing a top FA in the next year or two. Obviously the teams who stand to lose the most are Miami and LA. But it's a hypothetical right now. Who knows? I think if you draft a player, and stick with him while he learns and develops, you should have the ability to outbid other teams.

However, something needs to be done to level the playing field. Small market teams are at a large disadvantage. Shared revenue seems like the most likely of options. Either way, hard cap or not, Petrie has put the Kings in a position to have more flexibility than most. He's prepared for either scenario.

 

[Tetsujin]

You're just putting words in my mouth now. I never said anything about miraculous, astronomical improvement. It's not as if the only two options are doing nothing or miraculous, astronomical improvement.

Shilling out copious amounts of cash for minimal improvement is tantamount to failure

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Dolonte West, give him a 40 mill 3 year contract and were in the playoffs baby

I hope you're kidding.

 

[Tetsujin]

I hope you're kidding.

Yeah he's totally underselling West's value. Needs to be 80 million for four years.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Shilling out copious amounts of cash for minimal improvement is tantamount to failure

If you honestly think that adding a player like Stoudamire to The Kings would only result in "minimal improvement" then I don't know what to say, lol.

 

[Asaf]

If you honestly think that adding a player like Stoudamire to The Kings would only result in "minimal improvement" then I don't know what to say, lol.

You keep bringing up stoudemire as if we had the chance to sign him.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

You keep bringing up stoudemire as if we had the chance to sign him.

That seems defeatist to me. Just because you think you don't have a chance to get something done doesn't mean you can't still give it your best effort and see what happens.

 

[Asaf]

That seems defeatist to me. Just because you think you don't have a chance to get something done doesn't mean you can't still give it your best effort and see what happens.

1. Who's to say they didn't give it their best effort?

2. If you were in GP's shoes, how would you lure Amar'e to come to sacramento instead of NY?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

1. Who's to say they didn't give it their best effort?

2. If you were in GP's shoes, how would you lure Amar'e to come to sacramento instead of NY?

Maybe they did, but if they did, they should have made it public so the fans could know about it. I agree that acquiring Stoudamire was a long shot, I just wish The Kings had been more active and more vocal about trying to improve the team through taking advantage of a great FA class.

 

[Tetsujin]

If you honestly think that adding a player like Stoudamire to The Kings would only result in "minimal improvement" then I don't know what to say, lol.

Now you're just talking in circles and proving my point.

You're just putting words in my mouth now. I never said anything about miraculous, astronomical improvement. It's not as if the only two options are doing nothing or miraculous, astronomical improvement.

 

[Tetsujin]

Maybe they did, but if they did, they should have made it public so the fans could know about it. I agree that acquiring Stoudamire was a long shot, I just wish The Kings had been more active and more vocal about trying to improve the team through taking advantage of a great FA class.

That's kind of like a Poker player announcing what he's got in his hand or a general announcing his next maneuver.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Now you're just talking in circles and proving my point.

You had a point?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

That's kind of like a Poker player announcing what he's got in his hand or a general announcing his next maneuver.

Odd then that in was common knowledge who other teams were pursuing.

 

[Tetsujin]

Odd then that in was common knowledge who other teams were pursuing.

We all know that GP likes to play with his hand close to his chest. Not too much info is going to leak from his office (Hell, when it did, they got rid of the guy who was responsible [Jason Levine]).

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Now you're just talking in circles and proving my point.

Saying that something would be more than minimal improvement isn't claiming that it's going to be astronomical, miraculous improvement, come on now. Things aren't that black and white. You're ignoring the middle ground here.

 

[Asaf]

Maybe they did, but if they did, they should have made it public so the fans could know about it. I agree that acquiring Stoudamire was a long shot, I just wish The Kings had been more active and more vocal about trying to improve the team through taking advantage of a great FA class.

That "great free agent class" is an illusion. That class was considered great because it included players like LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amar'e, and other players that were never available to us and never will be. The rest of the free agents of that class are simply not worth the hype. It was a great free agent class for teams like Miami, and to a lesser extent the Knicks and Bulls. Some teams may look back at this last offseason as the one that prevented them from contending aspirations for many years. Teams like Atlanta and Memphis who grossly overpaid their players to prevent them from going into free agency, or the one out of the Bulls or Knicks that won't be able to get CP3 and Carmelo. All these teams who made those moves will eat their hearts out when they are stuck in the sea of mediocrity that their irresponsible moves cast them to. Not that it was possible, but had we been the ones to sign Joe Johnson to that 6-year 120-million contract, we would've definitely been one of those teams destined for eternal mediocrity. Would we have been immediately better? Of course. Would it have benefitted us in the long term? Certainly not - it would've set us back years.

 

[mac]

That "great free agent class" is an illusion. That class was considered great because it included players like LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amar'e, and other players that were never available to us and never will be. The rest of the free agents of that class are simply not worth the hype. It was a great free agent class for teams like Miami, and to a lesser extent the Knicks and Bulls. Some teams may look back at this last offseason as the one that prevented them from contending aspirations for many years. Teams like Atlanta and Memphis who grossly overpaid their players to prevent them from going into free agency, or the one out of the Bulls or Knicks that won't be able to get CP3 and Carmelo. All these teams who made those moves will eat their hearts out when they are stuck in the sea of mediocrity that their irresponsible moves cast them to. Not that it was possible, but had we been the ones to sign Joe Johnson to that 6-year 120-million contract, we would've definitely been one of those teams destined for eternal mediocrity. Would we have been immediately better? Of course. Would it have benefitted us in the long term? Certainly not - it would've set us back years.

Agreed. Some people just don't know about this thing called patience in a rebuild. The problem is that it took so long for the darn FO to commit to a rebuild, and that's why it seems like it's taking so long for us to get good again. People look at the current team we have, look at the coaches, see we're not winning and think "hey we haven't been to the playoffs in 4 years, it must be because PW is stupid and Tyreke doesn't know how to pass".

Sure we have problems, and not everything is developing as we had hoped. Who wouldn't want 2nd year Casspi and 3rd year Donte to suddenly be starter-quality for our championship run in the future? Who wouldn't want Cousins to come in and average 20 points and 10 rebounds? But for goodness sake man, it's basically our 2nd year with Tyreke and 1st year with a real core that we hope to build around. We need to give the team time (certainly more than 6 games) before starting to discuss coaching changes or personnel moves. Instead of being so negative, why not give the team time yeah?