Dime Dropper
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I don't believe his agent has denied the opting out part, rather the signing with the Nets. Although I do believe that's where he'll end up.
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Circa_1985_Fan
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Yup...sure adds a new twist to things, as well as a sense of urgency.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
For many reasons, and the problem with Hayes simply being another, I think we have absolutely slammed the door on the further pursuit of AK47. We already have too many SFs. I think Outlaw was picked up with the knowledge that Hayes would not be with the team.
We do not have enough interior defense. We have enough money even if it means to "overpay" Daly. And I agree with a comment above, without Daly, we are toast. We will be a team less skilled than last year's team. We are really in sad shape and if we stand pat with the team we have, I will be far more than discouraged.
This is only an opinion, of course, but "overpaying" Daly makes more and more sense given the dreadful condition the Kings interior defense is in. I doubt this has slipped GP's mind.
We do not have enough interior defense. We have enough money even if it means to "overpay" Daly. And I agree with a comment above, without Daly, we are toast. We will be a team less skilled than last year's team. We are really in sad shape and if we stand pat with the team we have, I will be far more than discouraged.
This is only an opinion, of course, but "overpaying" Daly makes more and more sense given the dreadful condition the Kings interior defense is in. I doubt this has slipped GP's mind.
RussoTuristo
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I just checked Russian websites and found nothing new about Kirilenko. Same old stuff.
ParniValjak
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As far as I can see, AK has NOT opted out of his contract yet. He has until Jan 9 to do so.
Its sad to see that Hayes can no longer play basketball (for the time being) but it does give us an additional $5million per year to play with. I think we shot ourselves in the foot by picking up Outlaw because with additional $3 million we would have had some $14 million in cap space which we could use to sign both AK47 and Dalembert. Now its down to one or some hail mary trade to try and get us some front court depth.
Bidding on Outlaw could prove very costly to us in hindsight.
Its sad to see that Hayes can no longer play basketball (for the time being) but it does give us an additional $5million per year to play with. I think we shot ourselves in the foot by picking up Outlaw because with additional $3 million we would have had some $14 million in cap space which we could use to sign both AK47 and Dalembert. Now its down to one or some hail mary trade to try and get us some front court depth.
Bidding on Outlaw could prove very costly to us in hindsight.
RookieOfTheDay
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It's 3$ million. People are acting like they picked him up for 15$ million.
I think its more that subtracting his 3 plus Hayes 5 would probably allow the kings to sign both AK-47 and Dally while not having yet another SF on the team.
ParniValjak
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Way to completely miss the point as usual!
Its not the amount! The amount by itself in isolation is a bargain price for Outlaw. The problem is that in light of Chuck Hayes situation we might just be that $3million short to be able to actually sign both Dalembert AND Kirilenko. And that is not even going into the fact that we have just overloaded the SF where going after Kirilenko might just not be on the radar.
That is the problem. By picking up Outlaw we are some $1.5 million above the cap room which takes us to salary total of some $48 million ($58 million cap). Take away Hayes' $5 million and we would have us at roughly $15 million under the cap and would be some $4 million away from the minimum. With $15 million, you will be hard pressed to sign BOTH Dalembert and Kirilenko but without Outlaw's $3 million we would have some $18 million to play with and a spot on the roster and with $18 million you are absolutely in teh game to get BOTH Dalembert and Kirilenko and still possible have money left over.
Now, its highly unlikely unless we trade out some salary to some which raises the question why would that team do us a favor?!
RookieOfTheDay
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Fair point but Outlaw can play PF as well. I think he'll make a good backup 3/4. Anyone know when exactly the luxury tax kicks in? Because even with Outlaw I think they still have enough space to sign AK and Dalembert.
RookieOfTheDay
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Nah, I got your point, Slick. My point is that they won't be "$3million short to be able to actually sign both Dalembert AND Kirilenko". If they thought they had a chance to sign both, they wouldn't let 3$ million put the kibosh on it. Now, do you have my point? Or do I need to break in down into baby talk for you?
ParniValjak
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Except that the landscape has obviously changed a great deal with Hayes situation and that $3 million could make all the difference and that is not even going into the flexibility with the roster spots.
We wanted to use Hayes with Cousins to run the offense through and have him as a designated stopper defensively for the best PFs and Cs that we face each game. Now in all likelihood we will need 2 players to replace that. Kirilenko can be the passer instead of Hayes but he is not able to guard the best PFs and Cs every game. There are certain match ups that he is not suited to. Dalembert can guard all Cs and some PFs but you wouldn't be running offense through him either.
Since the landscape has obviously changed dramatically in the last 2 days, we might be more more open and willing to offer more to both AK and Dalembert than we were 2 days ago. Landscape has changed, the goalposts have moved so any extra money that we could have to play with could be the difference between getting a good team out there or getting another lottery product.
RookieOfTheDay
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Second guessing here but it seems to me like they probably got the vibe from AK47 that he wasn't going to bite. So rather than wait around for him they picked up Outlaw as a fail-safe. I'm sure they considered the possibility that AK47 might decide he wants to accept their offer after the Outlaw pick up. I mean, if we thought of it, don't you think they did? I just don't think 3$ million will make a difference one way or the other. I'm not salary-cap expert but I'm pretty sure the luxury tax doesn't kick in right at 58$ million. If they had to go a few million over the cap to get both Sam and AK, I'm pretty sure they'd do that.
Dont think they are allowed to go over the cap to sign them.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
So then how do teams like the Lakers go 30$ million over the cap signing players?
Own free agents and exceptions mostly
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
So you can't exceed the cap signing free agents unless you drafted them?
I thought that was just for bidding on amnesty players this year, if you are over cap you don't get to bid. Did not know you couldn't pay free agents and go over, interesting.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I'm not sure it's right. I'd like someone else to confirm it. If you can't exceed it that would effectively be a hard-cap with exceptions for Bird rights.
ParniValjak
All-Star
You can go over the cap in order to re-sign your own free agents provided of course that you do not renounce their rights in which case you need to fit them withing the cap space and not go over. We renounced Dalembert's rights so that we could re-sign Thornton and sign Hayes (Dalembert's cap hold was something close to $20 million or there about).
So no in order for us to sign both Dalembert and AK47 we cannot go over the cap. However if we get to the cap this year then next off-season we can re-sign our own free agents in Hickson and JT and go over the cap provided that we do not renounce their bird rights.
NoBonus
Starter
I don't think anyone thought AK47 would be "Plan A" for the Nets.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Only by using the MLE or the bi-annual exception, both of which can only be used if your over the cap. But most of their excessive salaries come from the use of another rule.
Its called the Bird rule. They've used it on Kobe and just about every big name player on their roster. Then on top to that, they use the MLE and the Bi-annual exception just about every year its available. At the moment, if you add up the salaries of just three players on the Laker roster, Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum, it comes to $59,116,417.00. the current cap is 58 mil. When you add in the rest of the team their total salaries add up to just under 100 million dollars. Kobe is owed 25 mil this coming season. Not a lot of wiggle room there.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
The MLE and the mini, or bi-annual can only be used if your over the cap at the beginning of freeagency. Which means that you can't start freeagency 5 mill under the cap, sign a player for that amount, and then use the MLE or Bi-annual. In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Thats one of the reasons for the capholds. Its either s--t or get off the pot. Otherwise teams that are, lets say 20 mil under the cap, would sit on a player like Dalembert, spend the 20 mil on other freeagents, and then resign Dalembert using the Bird exception. So to keep teams from doing that, the league puts a cap hold in excess of the players last salary that counts against the cap until you either resign that player, or relinquish his rights.
Section 101
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There is a new $2.5 mil one for teams under the cap as well.
Glenn
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I wonder if he has a preference in coaches? (cough! Sloan!)
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