Kings trade Moe Harkless, Justin Holiday a protected first round pick for Kevin Huerter

Not a good trade. Huerter looked solid as a rookie but has basically been stagnant ever since then. Starting next year he's going to be making around double what he is worth and the odds of him improving much are a lot lower than a guy like Monk who has been ascending.

The good is he's another real solid shooter. He's a 4.5/10 defensively but not as bad as Monk/Fox etc.

The bad is cap flexibility in the future and potentially losing a top 15 pick in a couple years. He's just not worth that when you look at his impact.

I don't mind the fit as much as I do the potential loss of a FRP and the contract.

If the Kings don't get going in a hurry, they're going to need to blow this thing up and start from scratch again. This sort of puts them on a timeline where they need to be a playoff team by next year or overhaul the entire thing and trade most everyone.
 
Hoovtrain said:
does this trade handcuff them in regards to trading anymore 1sts now?
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Yes. Can't trade a first until 2028, at least, right now. Once the pick conveys then we can trade picks again. It goes like this:
2023? No, Stepien Rule
2024? To ATL 15-30
2025? No, because to ATL 13-30 if not 2024
2026? No, because to ATL 11-30 if not 2024/2025
2027? No, Stepien Rule
2028? YES
 
Would have preferred to get more athletic, than another shooter, but good pickup. Seems the only person capable of dunking on this team is fox (sometimes)
 
Tetsujin said:
It does but teams have started finding ways to work around that.
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Ways around like pick swaps, including pick swaps conditional on not sending to ATL. I don't think there's much else we can do.

So like, sure, we can do 2024 pick swap if 1-14, devolves to basically nothing if the pick goes to ATL. But we're definitely handcuffed.
 
ESP47 said:
Not a good trade. Huerter looked solid as a rookie but has basically been stagnant ever since then. Starting next year he's going to be making around double what he is worth and the odds of him improving much are a lot lower than a guy like Monk who has been ascending.

The good is he's another real solid shooter. He's a 4.5/10 defensively but not as bad as Monk/Fox etc.

The bad is cap flexibility in the future and potentially losing a top 15 pick in a couple years. He's just not worth that when you look at his impact.

I don't mind the fit as much as I do the potential loss of a FRP and the contract.

If the Kings don't get going in a hurry, they're going to need to blow this thing up and start from scratch again. This sort of puts them on a timeline where they need to be a playoff team by next year or overhaul the entire thing and trade most everyone.
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Wow....major buzz kill dude.
 
I’m not enjoying the “ignore defense” approach McNair is taking. We’ve been a bottom 10 defensive team essentially every year we’ve missed the playoffs during this drought. Do we really think Brown is such a difference maker that he’s going to lift this team to defend at least an average level? God I hope so…
 
twslam07 said:
I’m not enjoying the “ignore defense” approach McNair is taking. We’ve been a bottom 10 defensive team essentially every year we’ve missed the playoffs during this drought. Do we really think Brown is such a difference maker that he’s going to lift this team to defend at least an average level? God I hope so…
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I mean anything has to be better than Luke/Gentry right? Brown is used to winning....I seriously doubt he's going to let these guys coast. A lot of defense is effort and commitment.
 
KainLear said:
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ESP47 said:
Not a good trade. Huerter looked solid as a rookie but has basically been stagnant ever since then. Starting next year he's going to be making around double what he is worth and the odds of him improving much are a lot lower than a guy like Monk who has been ascending.

The good is he's another real solid shooter. He's a 4.5/10 defensively but not as bad as Monk/Fox etc.

The bad is cap flexibility in the future and potentially losing a top 15 pick in a couple years. He's just not worth that when you look at his impact.

I don't mind the fit as much as I do the potential loss of a FRP and the contract.

If the Kings don't get going in a hurry, they're going to need to blow this thing up and start from scratch again. This sort of puts them on a timeline where they need to be a playoff team by next year or overhaul the entire thing and trade most everyone.
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Are you ever happy ?
 
ESP47 said:
Not a good trade. Huerter looked solid as a rookie but has basically been stagnant ever since then. Starting next year he's going to be making around double what he is worth and the odds of him improving much are a lot lower than a guy like Monk who has been ascending.

The good is he's another real solid shooter. He's a 4.5/10 defensively but not as bad as Monk/Fox etc.

The bad is cap flexibility in the future and potentially losing a top 15 pick in a couple years. He's just not worth that when you look at his impact.

I don't mind the fit as much as I do the potential loss of a FRP and the contract.

If the Kings don't get going in a hurry, they're going to need to blow this thing up and start from scratch again. This sort of puts them on a timeline where they need to be a playoff team by next year or overhaul the entire thing and trade most everyone.
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I agree with a lot of this but worth noting that the best possible pick we can give up is the #13 pick in 2025 or #11 pick in the 2026 draft. Those are the post-Domas picks if things fall apart and he leaves in FA.

If Sabonis leaves in 2024 we just have Fox and Huerter on the books which means we’re gonna ultra-tank and not land outside the top 10 picks.

so we either get good and make the playoffs and the pick conveys, or fall apart and it becomes 2 seconds. Plenty to worry about this trade but picks are fine to me

And typing this- did getting those extra seconds in the draft facilitate this move? Idk how protected picks work with respect to future contingent seconds but did getting those picks free up flexibility in trading protected firsts?
 
All the talk was John Collins to Kings. Then this surprise trade. Makes you wonder if burning up phone lines to Atlanta was pay off by Hawks or Kings to please get off the phone line. I like the trade for Huerter as long as his knee not an issue going forward.
 
New Era said:
I mean anything has to be better than Luke/Gentry right? Brown is used to winning....I seriously doubt he's going to let these guys coast. A lot of defense is effort and commitment.
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Fox and Barnes can definitely elevate their defense to impactful levels under Brown - if they buy in.

I think the main thing is that Monte is targeting high BBIQ players, which is pretty crucial for team defense. We might not have any lockdown stalwarts (aside from Davion), but if Brown cooks up a good scheme (his MO), I think we can at least get up to league average on D, to go along with a better than average offense.
 
ESP47 said:
Not a good trade. Huerter looked solid as a rookie but has basically been stagnant ever since then. Starting next year he's going to be making around double what he is worth and the odds of him improving much are a lot lower than a guy like Monk who has been ascending.

The good is he's another real solid shooter. He's a 4.5/10 defensively but not as bad as Monk/Fox etc.

The bad is cap flexibility in the future and potentially losing a top 15 pick in a couple years. He's just not worth that when you look at his impact.

I don't mind the fit as much as I do the potential loss of a FRP and the contract.

If the Kings don't get going in a hurry, they're going to need to blow this thing up and start from scratch again. This sort of puts them on a timeline where they need to be a playoff team by next year or overhaul the entire thing and trade most everyone.
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I agree, but he had a really odd role in ATL. They basically stopped trying to develop Huerter when they drafted Reddish and Hunter, and when they got Bogie any chance of Huerter becoming more involved in the offense went away. He's basically spent the last 1.5 seasons as a spot up shooter.

I personally think Huerter is a much, much better playmaker than he was able to show on the Hawks and I think we will be happy with what he shows.

That being said I am still a little confused on the team we are building. This team screams treadmill to me.
 
Tetsujin said:
I feel like y’all are just looking at a goofy looking white guy and immediately assuming the guy is bad at defense but Huerter is an average defender and essentially more than makes up for any deficiencies there with his offensive skill set.
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We were 29th in points allowed last year with a star guard who doesn’t play defense. In a vacuum maybe his defense isn’t an issue but he’s coming to the vacuum of suck.
 
captain bill said:
I agree with a lot of this but worth noting that the best possible pick we can give up is the #13 pick in 2025 or #11 pick in the 2026 draft. Those are the post-Domas picks if things fall apart and he leaves in FA.

If Sabonis leaves in 2024 we just have Fox and Huerter on the books which means we’re gonna ultra-tank and not land outside the top 10 picks.

so we either get good and make the playoffs and the pick conveys, or fall apart and it becomes 2 seconds. Plenty to worry about this trade but picks are fine to me

And typing this- did getting those extra seconds in the draft facilitate this move? Idk how protected picks work with respect to future contingent seconds but did getting those picks free up flexibility in trading protected firsts?
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That's my thinking too. At least it kind of forces the franchise to make a decision instead of continuing to kick the can down the road with patchwork moves.

He's a fine roleplayer. I just don't think he's worth 15+mil a year and tying up a FRP over. I don't think that's too far out in left field. We just spent all day yesterday laughing at other teams bad contracts and now we're celebrating acquiring one.

Folsomkingsfan said:
I agree, but he had a really odd role in ATL. They basically stopped trying to develop Huerter when they drafted Reddish and Hunter, and when they got Bogie any chance of Huerter becoming more involved in the offense went away. He's basically spent the last 1.5 seasons as a spot up shooter.

I personally think Huerter is a much, much better playmaker than he was able to show on the Hawks and I think we will be happy with what he shows.

That being said I am still a little confused on the team we are building. This team screams treadmill to me.
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I hope you're right. His contract doesn't seem so bad if there's marked improvement there but if he just sort of stays this 12ppg, solid shooter, meh defense kind of guy...then we'll more than likely be stuck paying him past his useful on court expiration date for our timeline.
 
Folsomkingsfan said:
I agree, but he had a really odd role in ATL. They basically stopped trying to develop Huerter when they drafted Reddish and Hunter, and when they got Bogie any chance of Huerter becoming more involved in the offense went away. He's basically spent the last 1.5 seasons as a spot up shooter.

I personally think Huerter is a much, much better playmaker than he was able to show on the Hawks and I think we will be happy with what he shows.

That being said I am still a little confused on the team we are building. This team screams treadmill to me.
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Looks like we're trying to gun our way to 8th and a first round exit, which I'd honestly be super psyched on after this crazy long post season drought.

I don't think we can really label this team as anything until we know how good the Fox + Ox duo can be. Murray could develop into a hell of a player too. The potential is there for highly complimentary big three if Keegan's scoring prowess translates to the NBA.

Or you know, the usual happens and we have to look at the silver lining of Atlanta only getting two 2nd rounders from us.
 
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