Kings trade Moe Harkless, Justin Holiday a protected first round pick for Kevin Huerter
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Not a good trade. Huerter looked solid as a rookie but has basically been stagnant ever since then. Starting next year he's going to be making around double what he is worth and the odds of him improving much are a lot lower than a guy like Monk who has been ascending.
The good is he's another real solid shooter. He's a 4.5/10 defensively but not as bad as Monk/Fox etc.
The bad is cap flexibility in the future and potentially losing a top 15 pick in a couple years. He's just not worth that when you look at his impact.
I don't mind the fit as much as I do the potential loss of a FRP and the contract.
If the Kings don't get going in a hurry, they're going to need to blow this thing up and start from scratch again. This sort of puts them on a timeline where they need to be a playoff team by next year or overhaul the entire thing and trade most everyone.
The good is he's another real solid shooter. He's a 4.5/10 defensively but not as bad as Monk/Fox etc.
The bad is cap flexibility in the future and potentially losing a top 15 pick in a couple years. He's just not worth that when you look at his impact.
I don't mind the fit as much as I do the potential loss of a FRP and the contract.
If the Kings don't get going in a hurry, they're going to need to blow this thing up and start from scratch again. This sort of puts them on a timeline where they need to be a playoff team by next year or overhaul the entire thing and trade most everyone.
I’m not enjoying the “ignore defense” approach McNair is taking. We’ve been a bottom 10 defensive team essentially every year we’ve missed the playoffs during this drought. Do we really think Brown is such a difference maker that he’s going to lift this team to defend at least an average level? God I hope so…
I agree with a lot of this but worth noting that the best possible pick we can give up is the #13 pick in 2025 or #11 pick in the 2026 draft. Those are the post-Domas picks if things fall apart and he leaves in FA.
If Sabonis leaves in 2024 we just have Fox and Huerter on the books which means we’re gonna ultra-tank and not land outside the top 10 picks.
so we either get good and make the playoffs and the pick conveys, or fall apart and it becomes 2 seconds. Plenty to worry about this trade but picks are fine to me
And typing this- did getting those extra seconds in the draft facilitate this move? Idk how protected picks work with respect to future contingent seconds but did getting those picks free up flexibility in trading protected firsts?
If Sabonis leaves in 2024 we just have Fox and Huerter on the books which means we’re gonna ultra-tank and not land outside the top 10 picks.
so we either get good and make the playoffs and the pick conveys, or fall apart and it becomes 2 seconds. Plenty to worry about this trade but picks are fine to me
And typing this- did getting those extra seconds in the draft facilitate this move? Idk how protected picks work with respect to future contingent seconds but did getting those picks free up flexibility in trading protected firsts?
Fox and Barnes can definitely elevate their defense to impactful levels under Brown - if they buy in.
I think the main thing is that Monte is targeting high BBIQ players, which is pretty crucial for team defense. We might not have any lockdown stalwarts (aside from Davion), but if Brown cooks up a good scheme (his MO), I think we can at least get up to league average on D, to go along with a better than average offense.
I think the main thing is that Monte is targeting high BBIQ players, which is pretty crucial for team defense. We might not have any lockdown stalwarts (aside from Davion), but if Brown cooks up a good scheme (his MO), I think we can at least get up to league average on D, to go along with a better than average offense.
I agree, but he had a really odd role in ATL. They basically stopped trying to develop Huerter when they drafted Reddish and Hunter, and when they got Bogie any chance of Huerter becoming more involved in the offense went away. He's basically spent the last 1.5 seasons as a spot up shooter.
I personally think Huerter is a much, much better playmaker than he was able to show on the Hawks and I think we will be happy with what he shows.
That being said I am still a little confused on the team we are building. This team screams treadmill to me.
I personally think Huerter is a much, much better playmaker than he was able to show on the Hawks and I think we will be happy with what he shows.
That being said I am still a little confused on the team we are building. This team screams treadmill to me.
That's my thinking too. At least it kind of forces the franchise to make a decision instead of continuing to kick the can down the road with patchwork moves.
He's a fine roleplayer. I just don't think he's worth 15+mil a year and tying up a FRP over. I don't think that's too far out in left field. We just spent all day yesterday laughing at other teams bad contracts and now we're celebrating acquiring one.
I hope you're right. His contract doesn't seem so bad if there's marked improvement there but if he just sort of stays this 12ppg, solid shooter, meh defense kind of guy...then we'll more than likely be stuck paying him past his useful on court expiration date for our timeline.
He's a fine roleplayer. I just don't think he's worth 15+mil a year and tying up a FRP over. I don't think that's too far out in left field. We just spent all day yesterday laughing at other teams bad contracts and now we're celebrating acquiring one.
I hope you're right. His contract doesn't seem so bad if there's marked improvement there but if he just sort of stays this 12ppg, solid shooter, meh defense kind of guy...then we'll more than likely be stuck paying him past his useful on court expiration date for our timeline.
Looks like we're trying to gun our way to 8th and a first round exit, which I'd honestly be super psyched on after this crazy long post season drought.
I don't think we can really label this team as anything until we know how good the Fox + Ox duo can be. Murray could develop into a hell of a player too. The potential is there for highly complimentary big three if Keegan's scoring prowess translates to the NBA.
Or you know, the usual happens and we have to look at the silver lining of Atlanta only getting two 2nd rounders from us.
I don't think we can really label this team as anything until we know how good the Fox + Ox duo can be. Murray could develop into a hell of a player too. The potential is there for highly complimentary big three if Keegan's scoring prowess translates to the NBA.
Or you know, the usual happens and we have to look at the silver lining of Atlanta only getting two 2nd rounders from us.
