Kings trade Moe Harkless, Justin Holiday a protected first round pick for Kevin Huerter

TaxMan

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Tetsujin said:
Yeah, I had personally sorta given up on a Huerter/wing trade after the Monk signing. Never did I think we’d somehow end up with both guys.
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Curious if we at this point try to extend Barnes or look to move him for more pieces. Either he stays and either Monk or Huerter come off the bench, or Barnes is moved for more pieces (or even a future FRP to replace the asset we just gave up). I’d rather not risk letting Barnes leave next off season for nothing.
 
iowamcnabb

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What about

Fox Mitchell
Monk TD
Huerter Barnes
Keegan Lyles
Sabonis Holmes

I always wondered about experimenting with Barnes in the second unit. That would be a strong bench
 
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The Effort Police

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The_Jamal said:
He's a fine enough team defender, but certainly nothing close to a stopper on defense. Slightly below-average probably?

What he is elite at is shooting and he's an excellent secondary creator/ball-handler. It's a pretty similar pick-up to Monk in a lot of ways where he'll be an awesome fit with Fox/Sabonis and gives more passing/ball-handling.

I love he's locked up long-term, going to be 24 by season's start and directly on the timeline of everyone else in the core. Murray, Huerter, Monk is a HELL of an offensive upgrade to what we had last season.
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I imagine he'll start because of the slightly below-averageness that's he starting in comparison to Monk's "pretty bad".

Also, I'm not sure Monk's in the clear on being considered a good player yet. For all we know, this could be a contract year situation. Much more comfortable with him as a backup.
 
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So unless there is a Barnes upgrade, or a Holmes trade, I think our 9 man rotation would be something like:

PG: Fox (34), Mitchell (14)
SG: Huerter (12), Monk (24) Mitchell (12)
SF: Barnes (16), Huerter (20), Davis (12)
PF: Murray (32), Barnes (16)
C Sabonis (34) Holmes (14)

You end up with Fox and Sabonis at 34, Barnes, Huerter, and Murray at 32, Mitchell at 26, Monk at 24, Holmes at 14, and Davis at 12. Lyles/Metu is the 10th man if you want to open the rotation a bit more on certain nights. Then you have Len and Queta, and some young wings/two way guys to develop.

I know Davis isn't really a 3, but I think we are going to start Huerter at the 2, so some of Hueter's minutes have to be allocated at the 2.. But you have a lot of interchangeable pieces, and really other than Fox, Sabonis, Holmes, and Murray, you have everyone playing multiple positions. You can go jumbo with Huerter-Barnes-Murray. You can go small with Fox-Mitchell-Davis. You can have some small lineups with three guards and Barnes or Keegan at the 4. You could even experiment a Murray-Barnes-Huerter-Monk-Fox lineup for short period.
 
captain bill

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If we actually are a consistent 3 point shooting team with multiple options rather than living and dying by whether Buddy shows up or not that’s a huge upgrade

If we’re good defensively a lot of that is gonna have to come from internal improvement and whatever system Mike Brown puts in. Top 10 offense and top 20 defense seems like best case scenario based on these moves so far and giving that defensive bump on account of coaching
 
The Effort Police

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iowamcnabb said:
What about

Fox Mitchell
Monk TD
Huerter Barnes
Keegan Lyles
Sabonis Len

I always wondered about experimenting with Barnes in the second unit. That would be a strong bench
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I'd rather not. Barnes is still clearly our third best player and I think Huerter can play some SF, I'm tired of the out-of-position SF.

And that starting unit is pretty sieve-y, even by Kings standards.
 
Section 101

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Rain man said:
So unless there is a Barnes upgrade, or a Holmes trade, I think our 9 man rotation would be something like:

PG: Fox (34), Mitchell (14)
SG: Huerter (12), Monk (24) Mitchell (12)
SF: Barnes (16), Huerter (20), Davis (12)
PF: Murray (32), Barnes (16)
C Sabonis (34) Holmes (14)

You end up with Fox and Sabonis at 34, Barnes, Huerter, and Murray at 32, Mitchell at 26, Monk at 24, Holmes at 14, and Davis at 12. Lyles/Metu is the 10th man if you want to open the rotation a bit more on certain nights. Then you have Len and Queta, and some young wings/two way guys to develop.

I know Davis isn't really a 3, but I think we are going to start Huerter at the 2, so some of Hueter's minutes have to be allocated at the 2.. But you have a lot of interchangeable pieces, and really other than Fox, Sabonis, Holmes, and Murray, you have everyone playing multiple positions.
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Murry wont be getting 32 mins. More like 24.
 
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The Effort Police said:
I imagine he'll start because of the slightly below-averageness that's he starting in comparison to Monk's "pretty bad".

Also, I'm not sure Monk's in the clear on being considered a good player yet. For all we know, this could be a contract year situation. Much more comfortable with him as a backup.
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Yeah and Monk will play a lot anyways. He's better suited as a microwave scorer/shooter off the bench (and pairs nicely with Davion's defense). Also, the Kings just made a 4yr/60 mil investment in Huerter, so if we follow the money, he's going to start at the 2.
 
HndsmCelt

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If the starting lineup looks something like
Fox
Monk/Huerter
Murray/Huerter
Barns
Sabonis
We should get to see the return of great passing basketball. Probably going to give up a lot of points but the open looks might be worth it.
 
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Section 101 said:
Murry wont be getting 32 mins. More like 24.
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I think you are wrong, but the beauty of the roster is that there is a lot of flexibility. If you play Murray 24 instead of 32, then give Barnes 8 more minutes at the 4 and 8 less at the 3, and then free up a few more minutes for Huerter at the 3, which gives more minutes to Monk/Davis/Mitchell at the 2. Instead of having a bunch of stubby 1/2s and a bunch of large 4/5s, we now actually have wings that can play multiple positions.
 
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sactowndog said:
Yeah the defense is going to be pretty horrendous. Think we over paid for Huerter.
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Overpaid????? I mean I can understand if you don't like Huerter, or don't like the fit, but "overpaid?" We gave up two expiring contracts (Harkless who wasn't going to play and Holiday who was maybe our 9/10 man, but only because we had no better option) and a FRP in the next 2-4 years (that is reasonably well protected) for a guy that can start, shoot and play 28-32 minutes for us right away. What would have been fairer value for Huerter? Not sure how we overpaid.
 
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Rain man said:
I think you are wrong, but the beauty of the roster is that there is a lot of flexibility. If you play Murray 24 instead of 32, then give Barnes 8 more minutes at the 4 and 8 less at the 3, and then free up a few more minutes for Huerter at the 3, which gives more minutes to Monk/Davis/Mitchell at the 2. Instead of having a bunch of stubby 1/2s and a bunch of large 4/5s, we now actually have wings that can play multiple positions.
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Go look at players minutes as rookies, it's rare they get over 30 mpg.
 
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