kingsboi
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Trust me, there will be teams going after him, despite the fact he is playing like a piece of turd this season, so far. He just doesn't fit with this team.
[Game] Kings @ Thunder 12/17/10 Game Thread
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Trust me, there will be teams going after him, despite the fact he is playing like a piece of turd this season, so far. He just doesn't fit with this team.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
He definitely needs to be playing next to a strong rebounder and defender though if he is going to be more than a bench player, and even then he still needs to be with someone with a strong defensive presence that can compensate for his ineptitude on that side of the ball.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I'm sure he will be fine when a contender picks him up.
Thing I notice with Landry is that he does box out his man well, but doesn't chase after the rebound. He's not like Cousins who you see running around (sometimes picking up fouls) trying to get a rebound no matter where the ball is flying towards. All Landry does is box his man out, and if the ball even drops a meter away from him he's not going to run after it.
FaStRmAn
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It has become apparent that Landry doesnt want to play on the Kings anymore. His effort level speaks volumes about his attitude. I dont think the Kings will get much in the way of a trade either. He KNOWS he isnt in the future plans of the Kings, so he is just going thru the motions. What a sorry SOB he has become. Our NEW Kenny Thomas!
On the brighter side, Cousins is really starting to catch his stride! His scoring and rebounding have really improved. I think he and Tyreke are going to make a dynamic duo some day soon. Too bad that the rest of the team is chocked full of mismatched pieces that dont seem to fit with the Kings. The makeover of the Kings will start next summer. There are no deals to be made in mid season, unless there is a team desperate to give up something for a piece we have that we really need. Maybe even a draft pick thrown in! The Kings have tradeable pieces. Green, Casspi, and even JT for the right price! The Kings need a good defensive pointguard who can consistently hit the 3 point shot. With the draft and free agent period that the Maloofs swear they will spend money on, the Kings will look much better next season. This year...meh...not so much.
On the brighter side, Cousins is really starting to catch his stride! His scoring and rebounding have really improved. I think he and Tyreke are going to make a dynamic duo some day soon. Too bad that the rest of the team is chocked full of mismatched pieces that dont seem to fit with the Kings. The makeover of the Kings will start next summer. There are no deals to be made in mid season, unless there is a team desperate to give up something for a piece we have that we really need. Maybe even a draft pick thrown in! The Kings have tradeable pieces. Green, Casspi, and even JT for the right price! The Kings need a good defensive pointguard who can consistently hit the 3 point shot. With the draft and free agent period that the Maloofs swear they will spend money on, the Kings will look much better next season. This year...meh...not so much.
Big Cuz 15
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nice stat line by cuz
rainmaker
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Isn't that exactly why he and Dally should be more effective together?
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Theorhetically. Sammy seems to have forgotten how to rebound recently though.
bajaden
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First off, the Thunder is a better team than we are, and for the most part they played very well. Especially in the second half. I thought Cousins was the best player on the floor for the Kings tonight. And thats despite some of his turnovers in the second half, and a few stupid fouls. Most deserved, but at least one not. But for a kid just turned 20 years old in his first year in the NBA, not a bad night. Tyreke was the tale of two halves again. To be fair, the Thunder changed up their defense in the second half and totally collasped to the middle whenever he had the ball. With my daughter having Dish, I had to resort to other means to watch the game on her computer, and had the Thunder broadcasters.
I'm assuming that I also had their video feed, and not a shared feed. Anyway, they keyed in on Cousins about a third of the way through the third quarter when he left his man to cut off, I think Westbrook who made a nice pass to Collison behind Cousins back for a dunk and a foul. The interesting part was when Cousins was standing there wainting for Collison to take his freethrow. He started yelling at Landry, saying that he was suspossed to help on the play. And he was right! I'm not sure whats wrong with Landry, but he's not the same player we aquired last year.
Offensively I thought Beno played well. Defensively, he had some serious breakdowns. You know we tend to lay a lot of blame on our bigs for getting burnt by guards in the post area, and many times also fouling them for and, and one. But I think more blame needs to go to our guards and their perimiter defense, or lack there of. It puts tremendous pressure on our bigs. They not only have to guard their own man but compensate for the poor defense of our guards.
I spent special attention to who was guarding Durant. And I thought Casspi did a better job overall. Durant juked Greene out of his shoes several times and went right around him. Casspi at least didn't leave his feet and made him take tougher shots. Casspi also did a decent job on Jeff Green a few times.
The main killer in the second half was that the Thunder started playing our passing lanes almost like they knew what play we were running. It tipped the scales in their favor. The point is that they made adjustments at halftime, and we didn't. I saw a lot of things I liked tonight. But I saw a lot of things I didn't like as well. Evans and Cousins are going to be very good players, if not great players. Remains to be seen how great. But they need to get on the same page. I see more connection between Beno and Cousins, or Thompson and Cousins.
Cousins is a very good facilatator. I think he can be a great help to Tyreke. He draws a lot of attention, which should help Tyreke get open, and perhaps help open up the lane. I'd also like to see the two of them work on the pick and roll.
I'd also like say that there's been a tendacy on this fourm to condemn the entrire team at times for what is really the bad play of just a few individuals. When you have five players on the floor, it only takes one of those five to make a mistake on defense or offense, and the entire thing can break down and make everyone look bad. If one person misses a rotation, or someone doesn't move to the right position on offense, it can look like total chaos. There are players that are playing well. Yes, they will make mistakes at times. But you have to balance the good with the bad. You have to keep perspective. The negative is we lost. But how many of you thought going into tonights game against the Thunder on the road, that we would win?
I didn't! Of course I hoped for a win. But I didn't expect one. So it turned out the way I figured it would. Therefore I look for the positives that I can find in the game. I could sit here and hammer away at all the things that went wrong. But why should I, when its not a surprise to me? I'm trying to look two years down the road, and not just at tonights game. At least for me, it makes some of these game easier to digest.
I'm assuming that I also had their video feed, and not a shared feed. Anyway, they keyed in on Cousins about a third of the way through the third quarter when he left his man to cut off, I think Westbrook who made a nice pass to Collison behind Cousins back for a dunk and a foul. The interesting part was when Cousins was standing there wainting for Collison to take his freethrow. He started yelling at Landry, saying that he was suspossed to help on the play. And he was right! I'm not sure whats wrong with Landry, but he's not the same player we aquired last year.
Offensively I thought Beno played well. Defensively, he had some serious breakdowns. You know we tend to lay a lot of blame on our bigs for getting burnt by guards in the post area, and many times also fouling them for and, and one. But I think more blame needs to go to our guards and their perimiter defense, or lack there of. It puts tremendous pressure on our bigs. They not only have to guard their own man but compensate for the poor defense of our guards.
I spent special attention to who was guarding Durant. And I thought Casspi did a better job overall. Durant juked Greene out of his shoes several times and went right around him. Casspi at least didn't leave his feet and made him take tougher shots. Casspi also did a decent job on Jeff Green a few times.
The main killer in the second half was that the Thunder started playing our passing lanes almost like they knew what play we were running. It tipped the scales in their favor. The point is that they made adjustments at halftime, and we didn't. I saw a lot of things I liked tonight. But I saw a lot of things I didn't like as well. Evans and Cousins are going to be very good players, if not great players. Remains to be seen how great. But they need to get on the same page. I see more connection between Beno and Cousins, or Thompson and Cousins.
Cousins is a very good facilatator. I think he can be a great help to Tyreke. He draws a lot of attention, which should help Tyreke get open, and perhaps help open up the lane. I'd also like to see the two of them work on the pick and roll.
I'd also like say that there's been a tendacy on this fourm to condemn the entrire team at times for what is really the bad play of just a few individuals. When you have five players on the floor, it only takes one of those five to make a mistake on defense or offense, and the entire thing can break down and make everyone look bad. If one person misses a rotation, or someone doesn't move to the right position on offense, it can look like total chaos. There are players that are playing well. Yes, they will make mistakes at times. But you have to balance the good with the bad. You have to keep perspective. The negative is we lost. But how many of you thought going into tonights game against the Thunder on the road, that we would win?
I didn't! Of course I hoped for a win. But I didn't expect one. So it turned out the way I figured it would. Therefore I look for the positives that I can find in the game. I could sit here and hammer away at all the things that went wrong. But why should I, when its not a surprise to me? I'm trying to look two years down the road, and not just at tonights game. At least for me, it makes some of these game easier to digest.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Yet he still wound up with more assists than Beno and as many assists as Russell Westbrook
It proves that he will get others involved as well as himself. Nothing I've seen this year or last out of Tyreke would make him seem selfish. He's not a ball hog, he will give it up when he sees a play to be made. He definately does not have the court vision of Magic or Steve Nash but he's not selfish, there were many times this year and last that he would give the rock up so another King could score. He may not be a natural PG, but he's not selfish whatsoever
Getting assists doesnt make you unselfish.
Tonight there were at least 4 possessions where Tyreke simply dribbled it up court, tried to do his own thing when he had nothing going for him, and ended up losing the possession. On one fast break, it was Tyreke and Beno two on one, Tyreke doesnt make the extra pass and instead takes it individually een though Beno was ahead of both him and the defender. Its fortunate he made the layup, but that alone is a very selfish decision.
edit: remember that sequence at the end of the 3rd quarter? He tried to go against multiple defenders with about 30 seconds left in the quarter and about 15 on the shotclock (which alone is a bad decision), and misses it badly, chases down the rebound, resets the possession, and does the exact same thing. How do you think his teammates feel about that?
Tonight there were at least 4 possessions where Tyreke simply dribbled it up court, tried to do his own thing when he had nothing going for him, and ended up losing the possession. On one fast break, it was Tyreke and Beno two on one, Tyreke doesnt make the extra pass and instead takes it individually een though Beno was ahead of both him and the defender. Its fortunate he made the layup, but that alone is a very selfish decision.
edit: remember that sequence at the end of the 3rd quarter? He tried to go against multiple defenders with about 30 seconds left in the quarter and about 15 on the shotclock (which alone is a bad decision), and misses it badly, chases down the rebound, resets the possession, and does the exact same thing. How do you think his teammates feel about that?
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mr. moustache
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you had this feeling long before this game.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Strangely the numbers don't add up. If he did indeed lose the ball four times, he would have had four turnovers (or more). Rather, he had two.
I would prefer Tyreke taking that shot. Being one of the stronger finishers in the league, there's a better chance of something beneficiary coming out of that than having him throw a wild pass on the fly towards another guy while a defender is right on him.
Had he not take that shot there would have undoubtedly have been people chiding him for not trying to take advantage of a two for one opportunity.
You're also forgetting that people have to be open (or at least making an effort at it) for him to pass them the ball. Plus, who the hell would you rather see with the ball at the end of the quarter? Carl Landry?
Missing shots dont count as turnovers.
Its 2 on 1 on the fast break, you make the pass if youre teammate decides to run with you, especially if hes further in the open court than you are.
There were about 30 seconds in the quarter with a new possession. You dont have time for a two for one, youre better off killing the clock and running a play.
Its 2 on 1 on the fast break, you make the pass if youre teammate decides to run with you, especially if hes further in the open court than you are.
There were about 30 seconds in the quarter with a new possession. You dont have time for a two for one, youre better off killing the clock and running a play.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Let me ask you this then, who on this team is "unselfish"?
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I'm sorry, but did you just accuse the two most selfish, hardheaded offensive players of being unselfish?
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Ah sorry, misread that or forgot my own question for whatever reason (my poor sleep deprived brain). Yeah, I agree in that regard.
RookieOfTheDay
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If only they'd signed Raymond Felton..Sigh.
RookieOfTheDay
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It sort of does. That a selfish player would average 5 assist per game is a contradiction in logic. Now Landry, averaging less than 1 assist even when he was playing 35+ minutes, that's selfish!
I wouldn't call Tyreke selfish more than simply not knowing what to do. He just makes his mind up and doesn't have the kind of vision that great PGs have. That doesn't make him any less valuable to us, but it does cause our offense to be shaky at this point. If Tyreke sees a pass he can make, he'll make it. I think a lot of it also has to do with his own confidence in his passing, and in a sense he's doing us a favour by not trying to do something he can't. In other words, sometimes a guy is open, but a difficult pass must be made for him to get the ball - the timing must be perfect and the ball passed quickly, something that Evans is unable to do.
Thing is, once he sort of makes up his mind that he's going to get to the rim, he does exactly that. Half the time he kicks it out, making a good play, and that's where all the assists come from, provided guys hit their shots. A quarter of the time he makes a spectacular play and lays it up well, and the other quarter of the time he forces up a tough shot that doesn't go anywhere near the rim. Out of that quarter, half the time JT or somebody gets the offensive putback. I'm just very roughly estimating the percentages of course, but I hope my point gets across. The more I think about it, the more I realise that Tyreke almost never makes an easy lay up in a half court set. It's always some acrobatic shot or a tough shot in traffic or something of that sort. What that means is that the defense is focused on clogging up the lane as we all know, and as such the shots he's taking are very tough shots. We need to have better spacing when he drives and have a cutter that he can dump the ball off to for an easy shot. That's what I envisioned with him and Cousins(or any remotely talented big man), Evans driving, dumps the ball off to Cousins and Cousins just dunks it. I've seen that about 0 times this season so far.
Thing is, once he sort of makes up his mind that he's going to get to the rim, he does exactly that. Half the time he kicks it out, making a good play, and that's where all the assists come from, provided guys hit their shots. A quarter of the time he makes a spectacular play and lays it up well, and the other quarter of the time he forces up a tough shot that doesn't go anywhere near the rim. Out of that quarter, half the time JT or somebody gets the offensive putback. I'm just very roughly estimating the percentages of course, but I hope my point gets across. The more I think about it, the more I realise that Tyreke almost never makes an easy lay up in a half court set. It's always some acrobatic shot or a tough shot in traffic or something of that sort. What that means is that the defense is focused on clogging up the lane as we all know, and as such the shots he's taking are very tough shots. We need to have better spacing when he drives and have a cutter that he can dump the ball off to for an easy shot. That's what I envisioned with him and Cousins(or any remotely talented big man), Evans driving, dumps the ball off to Cousins and Cousins just dunks it. I've seen that about 0 times this season so far.
You may be right. Maybe Reke has tunnel vision when hes looking for a lane to drive through which may be mistaken for being selfish.
As for the tough lay ups, i find that a bit selfish. Its not doing anyone any favors if he forces a tough lay up, driving from the top of the key in between multiple defenders. He does make those at times, but there are certainly better, less risky turnover-prone, situations for him to attack from rather than through that position. Also i think the kickouts are more a reflection of our teammates bailing him out rather than him running a nifty play.
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