Kings Select in the 2008 NBA DRAFT??

I don't really know a whole lot about Jawai, I haven't really heard that many positive things though. However with his size and athleticism, in the 2nd round that wouldn't be a bad gamble. I really hope we look at White, Hendrix, Dragic, Weaver, Hunter, and Singleterry too.

My first round list right now is Speights, Augustin, Batum, McGee, and Arthur.
 
Vlade4GM said:
I don't really know a whole lot about Jawai, I haven't really heard that many positive things though. However with his size and athleticism, in the 2nd round that wouldn't be a bad gamble. I really hope we look at White, Hendrix, Dragic, Weaver, Hunter, and Singleterry too.

My first round list right now is Speights, Augustin, Batum, McGee, and Arthur.
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Yeah Speights actually kind of rose to the front of my list also with Arthur taking a back seat. It's funny how NOT performing in the combine actually helped Speights because half the other PFs would up being shorter than thought and less athletic.

My list right now for OUR pick is probably:

Westbrook(if he's there)/Speights/Augustin/Jordan/McGee/Ty Lawson(yes I think that much of him)/Arthur

I'm probably forgetting someone. If we can get a later pick I like a bunch of different players. I'm a huge fan of Lawson to be honest and he's a good athlete but his stock took a hit since he was injured with the sprained ankle a few times. I like Joey Dorsey too.

Another guy to consider is Donte Greene IMO. I know he was pathetic on the bench, but he's a legit 6'9'' and pretty long IIRC. He has a strong base too and a 9'0'' standing reach.

If you're worried about Augustin's upside, check this out:

Augustin measured the shortest with a 7-foot-10½ standing reach.
However, that's not all bad. Augustin's numbers put him on par with Mike Conley and he has a bigger standing reach and wingspan than Chris Paul. In fact Augustin bested both Paul and Conley on measurements and athletic ability with one exception -- Paul and Conley both had more impressive vertical leaps. But Augustin's vertical leap is good enough. In other words, there's nothing I can see here that says that Augustin's too small for the NBA.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...?columnist=ford_chad&page=Measurements-080603

DeMarcus Nelson is someone we should look at with our 2nd rounders IMO. He's a freak athlete, a bit shorter than everyone thought but he's a freak athlete with a great wingspan and verticle leap. He reminds me offensively of a more aggressive Antonio Daniels I guess.

One thing that shocked me is how much the measurements were inflated this year. Dorsey being 6'7'', Arthur being 6'8'' and so thin, Beasley being a shorter 6'8'' than Arthur shocked me too, but atleast he was MUCH heavier.
 
Call me crazy guys, but I think Randolph is going to end up being the second best player in this draft. He's probably going top 6, but if I were Petrie I'd do anything humanly possible to get this kid.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Call me crazy guys, but I think Randolph is going to end up being the second best player in this draft. He's probably going top 6, but if I were Petrie I'd do anything humanly possible to get this kid.
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He's too skinny... I dunno he's a project for sure. I like his skills, size, and athleticism though. I think the 2nd best player is going to be Rose. IMO Beasley winds up being the best player. I think KLove/Mayo will be the 3rd/4th best players though, but Bayless could find himself there too.

I want Jordan or McGee. I really am higher on Speights and Westbrook than anyone else though too so I dunno. DJ Augustin's height deficiency is overrated though, he actually has a taller standing reach than Chris Paul and he is WAY more athletic than anyone gives him credit for. He has a 35 inch vertacle leap and one of the fastest players too. So those are probably my top 5 guys that I want right now but maybe I'm reading way too much into the combine.
 
BMiller52 said:
He's too skinny... I dunno he's a project for sure. I like his skills, size, and athleticism though. I think the 2nd best player is going to be Rose. IMO Beasley winds up being the best player. I think KLove/Mayo will be the 3rd/4th best players though, but Bayless could find himself there too.

I want Jordan or McGee. I really am higher on Speights and Westbrook than anyone else though too so I dunno. DJ Augustin's height deficiency is overrated though, he actually has a taller standing reach than Chris Paul and he is WAY more athletic than anyone gives him credit for. He has a 35 inch vertacle leap and one of the fastest players too. So those are probably my top 5 guys that I want right now but maybe I'm reading way too much into the combine.
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Sure, but if Bosh can overcome his skinny frame then so can Randolph. I think he'll be able to put on around 20-30 lbs, I think he'd be okay at that weight. Worst case scenario I think you have a 6'10 SF who can handle, board, pass, shoot from mid range, and block shots. I'm not saying he's going to win the ROY or anything, but when it's all said and done he's going to be right up there in this draft class. Beasley is seeming a little one dimensional to me, kind of like Amare without the shot blocking.

I don't see how you can want Jordan, barely any real bball skills to speak of and he totally bombed his combine; plus we already have a pretty good center prospect. McGee or Speights I can definitely live with. Westbrook I still attest isn't a PG, at least not the kind of PG that we need. Augustin I wouldn't be that upset with, he's a solid prospect and he has a good chance to be a solid starting PG, but I just think he lacks the blow by ability to have that much upside, maybe I'm wrong and I hope I am, but that's my feeling. I love his skills though.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Sure, but if Bosh can overcome his skinny frame then so can Randolph. I think he'll be able to put on around 20-30 lbs, I think he'd be okay at that weight. Worst case scenario I think you have a 6'10 SF who can handle, board, pass, shoot from mid range, and block shots. I'm not saying he's going to win the ROY or anything, but when it's all said and done he's going to be right up there in this draft class. Beasley is seeming a little one dimensional to me, kind of like Amare without the shot blocking.

I don't see how you can want Jordan, barely any real bball skills to speak of and he totally bombed his combine; plus we already have a pretty good center prospect. McGee or Speights I can definitely live with. Westbrook I still attest isn't a PG, at least not the kind of PG that we need. Augustin I wouldn't be that upset with, he's a solid prospect and he has a good chance to be a solid starting PG, but I just think he lacks the blow by ability to have that much upside, maybe I'm wrong and I hope I am, but that's my feeling. I love his skills though.
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Think of a young Kevin Garnett.. then minus about 50lbs off of his frame, and you have Randolph. :D.. No really.. I have a friend that was 6'4 and 170lbs in highschool, and we used to call him skeleton. Randolph is 6 inches taller and only 27lbs heavier.. That's just crazy. I wish I could find the pic of him next to a cheerleader. It was amazing how fat the cheerleader looked next to him! :)
 
Vlade4GM said:
Sure, but if Bosh can overcome his skinny frame then so can Randolph. I think he'll be able to put on around 20-30 lbs, I think he'd be okay at that weight. Worst case scenario I think you have a 6'10 SF who can handle, board, pass, shoot from mid range, and block shots. I'm not saying he's going to win the ROY or anything, but when it's all said and done he's going to be right up there in this draft class. Beasley is seeming a little one dimensional to me, kind of like Amare without the shot blocking.

I don't see how you can want Jordan, barely any real bball skills to speak of and he totally bombed his combine; plus we already have a pretty good center prospect. McGee or Speights I can definitely live with. Westbrook I still attest isn't a PG, at least not the kind of PG that we need. Augustin I wouldn't be that upset with, he's a solid prospect and he has a good chance to be a solid starting PG, but I just think he lacks the blow by ability to have that much upside, maybe I'm wrong and I hope I am, but that's my feeling. I love his skills though.
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DJ was a lot faster than people thought he would be at the combine. IIRC his 3/4 court sprint was really good, 35 inch vert leap, he's a better athlete than you give him credit for. And he can really play, that's a fact. With his athleticism, standing reach/wingspan, and quickness, I really believe he'll be a good player.

I like Jordan because he has a ton of length, he's still a pretty good athlete, and he has a lot of potential IMO. I like him more than I liked him before I guess. I dunno.

Even if Randolph adds 30 pounds he'll be like 225 lol. I see him more like Tayshaun Prince at the moment, he certainly has potential to be like Bosh though.

I'm surprised you don't like Donte Greene if you like Randolph so much. He weighs 24 more pounds or so and the other stuff is nearly identical. He also is more skilled and ready. I am pretty high on Greene though and other people aren't because they think he'll be a SF. I think he has just as much potential as Randolph with less risk of being a bust.
 
Gary said:
Think of a young Kevin Garnett.. then minus about 50lbs off of his frame, and you have Randolph. :D.. No really.. I have a friend that was 6'4 and 170lbs in highschool, and we used to call him skeleton. Randolph is 6 inches taller and only 27lbs heavier.. That's just crazy. I wish I could find the pic of him next to a cheerleader. It was amazing how fat the cheerleader looked next to him! :)
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Garnett was 6'11 217 when he came into the league, so that's roughly the same BMI. Not trying to say Randolph's frame is the same as Garnett's but KG was just as skinny as Randolph is.
 
BMiller52 said:
DJ was a lot faster than people thought he would be at the combine. IIRC his 3/4 court sprint was really good, 35 inch vert leap, he's a better athlete than you give him credit for. And he can really play, that's a fact. With his athleticism, standing reach/wingspan, and quickness, I really believe he'll be a good player.

I like Jordan because he has a ton of length, he's still a pretty good athlete, and he has a lot of potential IMO. I like him more than I liked him before I guess. I dunno.

Even if Randolph adds 30 pounds he'll be like 225 lol. I see him more like Tayshaun Prince at the moment, he certainly has potential to be like Bosh though.

I'm surprised you don't like Donte Greene if you like Randolph so much. He weighs 24 more pounds or so and the other stuff is nearly identical. He also is more skilled and ready. I am pretty high on Greene though and other people aren't because they think he'll be a SF. I think he has just as much potential as Randolph with less risk of being a bust.
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Right now, Greene is really just a good shooter with athleticism. Randolph has much better potential at the 4 than Greene does, he is much more fluid, better ball handler, better passer, better lat. quickness, better explosiveness, and better overall defensive tools. Greene is stuck at the 3 imo. I think he can become a decent player, but he's like a shard lewis lite. He only really has potential to be a solid scoring wing and maybe 5-6 rpg. I don't think that's really the kind of player we need, would rather take Augustin, McGee, or Speights.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Right now, Greene is really just a good shooter with athleticism. Randolph has much better potential at the 4 than Greene does, he is much more fluid, better ball handler, better passer, better lat. quickness, better explosiveness, and better overall defensive tools. Greene is stuck at the 3 imo. I think he can become a decent player, but he's like a shard lewis lite. He only really has potential to be a solid scoring wing and maybe 5-6 rpg. I don't think that's really the kind of player we need, would rather take Augustin, McGee, or Speights.
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I guess we'll agree to disagree on Greene. He has the same standing reach minus 1 inch, a little less athletic, a little shorter, but he has more skills. But he has a lot more strength in his lower body, he weighs more and there's less developing to be done. The guy is already 220, IMO if he gains 20 more pounds he's a PF easily. Randolph has to gain 35-40 atleast before he'll ever be ready to play PF. I think he'll probably become a bigger Tayshaun Prince who may end up playing PF and becoming a Bosh type player, but he really reminds me of Prince.

What do you think of Ty Lawson? I think he'll be good actually and I wouldn't mind trading back and picking him somewhere or trading for an extra pick in the 15-20 area and taking him there.

What do you think of McGee? I really think he has a better chance of being taken by Petrie now. He did pretty well at the combine athletically, he has offensive skills, I think he's gonna be a star. I am really high on him actually.
 
can someone clarify ron artest for me real quick ... i read somewhere that by the time he makes his decision the draft will be over, so we wont be able to trade him during the draft or know if he will be a king next year ( in case we wanted to draft an SF ) is this true? all the deadline dates are getting a little mixed up for me .
 
their is a rumor that Agent zero found a misprint in his contract that states its June 20th.....I dont know if thats him only...or everyone, even legit.
 
I like Jawai, as a bruiser type big man with solid quickness and athleticism, and I see a bit of Kendrick Perkins in him. Not the most refined, and although he's lacking in some key height, he's intense and amazingly explosive with some untapped potential. Of course there's the fear that he'll be another Sofoklis Schotsanitis or some other big bruiser that didn't pan out, but he's a low risk type player considering where we're drafting with our 2nd round picks. He'll merely be a role player in the NBA stemming from his offensive limitations and perceived lack of primacy, but could be a glue guy in the right team.

Hickson is a guy I think needs another year in college. Has talent, but still raw and unpolished around the edges. Has physical tools relating to athleticism and wingspan but doesn't block shots or play defense quite well, sort of like Chris Wilcox. He's jumping the gun. He's too talented to fall to us at the 2nd round, and I think the early 2nd round is the lowest he can go.

Gist and Calathes are probably mid to late-2nd rounders, and should be drafted after where we draft. Both have talent, though; the first guy is an athletic pogo stick who lacks skills, while the other guy is a skilled point forward who lacks the pogo stick. Think a very poor man's Shawn Marion and a very poor man's Mike Dunleavy, respectively. Of course, both of them are role players, but in terms of game, that's what they compare to.

Bruce is undrafted.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
can someone clarify ron artest for me real quick ... i read somewhere that by the time he makes his decision the draft will be over, so we wont be able to trade him during the draft or know if he will be a king next year ( in case we wanted to draft an SF ) is this true? all the deadline dates are getting a little mixed up for me .
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Ron has until just before midnight EDT (9 PM PDT) on June 30th to choose to opt out. I'ts not likely he'll make an official decision any earlier.

So yes, the draft will be over before we know what Ron will do and nobody is likely to trade on draft night for someone who might opt out a few days later. Of course, we won't know until after June 30th, whether we can re-sign Beno, either.
 
Funny question... But if you could keep ONE Kings player and trade the rest away for the current Memphis Tiger roster would you?

You have;

K-Mart, and...

Antonio Anderson, Robert Dozier, Joey Dorsey, Derrick Rose, and CDR..

HELL YAH I WOULD DO IT!
 
Gary said:
Funny question... But if you could keep ONE Kings player and trade the rest away for the current Memphis Tiger roster would you?

You have;

K-Mart, and...

Antonio Anderson, Robert Dozier, Joey Dorsey, Derrick Rose, and CDR..

HELL YAH I WOULD DO IT!
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lol Rose, Martin, CDR, Dorsey, you just need to find a center. But would we still lose to the Kansas Jayhawks?:cool:
 
hmmm is GAllinari's stock dropping? is he going to pull out of the draft if he falls to us will you guys be willing to draft him? making artest or some guy a tradeable piece :P
 
kennadog said:
...nobody is likely to trade on draft night for someone who might opt out a few days later.
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It should be stressed again that the Collective Bargaining Agreement does not allow a player with an Early Termination Option to be traded after the February trade deadline, so whether a team is likely to do it doesn't get a chance to enter the equation.

There has been speculation that a player might be able to turn down their ETO in advance of the draft (presumably in the deliberate knowledge that they will be traded for a draft pick) but so far as I can tell this has never happened and it is still unclear whether it would be allowed by the CBA.
 
BMiller52 said:
DJ was a lot faster than people thought he would be at the combine. IIRC his 3/4 court sprint was really good, 35 inch vert leap, he's a better athlete than you give him credit for. And he can really play, that's a fact. With his athleticism, standing reach/wingspan, and quickness, I really believe he'll be a good player.

I like Jordan because he has a ton of length, he's still a pretty good athlete, and he has a lot of potential IMO. I like him more than I liked him before I guess. I dunno.

Even if Randolph adds 30 pounds he'll be like 225 lol. I see him more like Tayshaun Prince at the moment, he certainly has potential to be like Bosh though.

I'm surprised you don't like Donte Greene if you like Randolph so much. He weighs 24 more pounds or so and the other stuff is nearly identical. He also is more skilled and ready. I am pretty high on Greene though and other people aren't because they think he'll be a SF. I think he has just as much potential as Randolph with less risk of being a bust.
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Just so were straight, Jordan didn't have a 35 inch vertical. Here are the stats straight from the camp records.

Jordan: 6'9 3/4" in bare feet, 250 pounds, Vertical L: 30.5 inches, 3/4 court speed: 3.27: Lateal quickness cone drill: 12.30:

McGee: 6'11" in bare feet: 241 pounds: Vertical L: 32.5 inches, 3/4 court speed: 3.25: Lateral quickness cone drill: 12.75:

Arthur: 6'7 1/2" in bare feet: 216 pounds: Vertical L: 30.0 inches: 3/4 court speed: 3.14: Lateral quickness cone drill: 12.18:

Love: 6'7 3/4" in bare feet: 255 pounds: Vertical L: 35.0 inches: 3/4 court speed: 3.22: Lateral quickness cone drill: 11.17:

I threw in Love and Arthur for comparision sake..
 
Gary said:
Funny question... But if you could keep ONE Kings player and trade the rest away for the current Memphis Tiger roster would you?

You have;

K-Mart, and...

Antonio Anderson, Robert Dozier, Joey Dorsey, Derrick Rose, and CDR..

HELL YAH I WOULD DO IT!
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I'd have to think about that one for a while. I'd hate to lose Hawes, and I like Cisco a lot. I'm probably letting my personal emotions enter in here, but no, I probably wouldn't do that deal. I sure would like to have Rose though..
 
A guy that no one is talking about and that I find intriguing is, Joe Alexander.

Everyone is quoting heights and vertical leap etc. So here are some of his stats.

6'7 1/4" height: 220 pounds; Vertical L: 38.5 inches: 3/4 courts speed: 2.99: Lane agility cone drill: 11.33. He's basicly as tall as Love or Arthur. He jumps higher than Love, Arthur, McGee, and Jordan. He benched 185 pounds 26 times. He's only played basketball since his senior year in highschool, so he has a very high ceiling on potential, and he's a workaholic.

I would rather take a chance on someone like him who's insanely commited to becoming great, than Jordan who looks like he's sleep walking at times
 
Gary said:
Funny question... But if you could keep ONE Kings player and trade the rest away for the current Memphis Tiger roster would you?

You have;

K-Mart, and...

Antonio Anderson, Robert Dozier, Joey Dorsey, Derrick Rose, and CDR..

HELL YAH I WOULD DO IT!
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Come on, Antonio Anderson and Robert Dozier are fringe NBA prospects at the moment; don't forget, being good solid glue-guy role player types at the college level, in most cases, doesn't translate to being a glue guy type in the NBA. Usually, averaging 10+ ppg at college is the bottom line for making it to the NBA, unless that player has amazing physical tools or is living off some enormous unfounded hype, for whatever reason. Anderson only averages 8.6 ppg at Memphis; Dozier, only 9.2. Admittedly, they play in a stacked team and that has to be taken into account, but honestly, with CDR and Rose leaving, they are definitely wise to stay another year to pad their stats. Besides, both of them some crucial aspects to be NBA players; Dozier's way too thin and will get bullied at the NBA level, and lacks overall polish; Anderson's way too offensively deficient and bordering on passive for his own good.
 
Gary said:
Funny question... But if you could keep ONE Kings player and trade the rest away for the current Memphis Tiger roster would you?

You have;

K-Mart, and...

Antonio Anderson, Robert Dozier, Joey Dorsey, Derrick Rose, and CDR..

HELL YAH I WOULD DO IT!
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I'd do this in a heartbeat because it means that we get rid of all the dead weight that is K9 and SAR and we have a ton of cap room to sign a superstar to go with that Derrick Rose and K-Mart
 
bajaden said:
Just so were straight, Jordan didn't have a 35 inch vertical. Here are the stats straight from the camp records.

Jordan: 6'9 3/4" in bare feet, 250 pounds, Vertical L: 30.5 inches, 3/4 court speed: 3.27: Lateal quickness cone drill: 12.30:

McGee: 6'11" in bare feet: 241 pounds: Vertical L: 32.5 inches, 3/4 court speed: 3.25: Lateral quickness cone drill: 12.75:

Arthur: 6'7 1/2" in bare feet: 216 pounds: Vertical L: 30.0 inches: 3/4 court speed: 3.14: Lateral quickness cone drill: 12.18:

Love: 6'7 3/4" in bare feet: 255 pounds: Vertical L: 35.0 inches: 3/4 court speed: 3.22: Lateral quickness cone drill: 11.17:

I threw in Love and Arthur for comparision sake..
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I was talking about DJ Augustin... Good wingspan/standing reach for a 5'11'' PG, good 3/4 court sprint, and good verticle leap at 35 inches. :D
 
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